Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

moses wellfleet · Jun 28, 2020

ozzieAI said:
...or you could root drench with emulsified neem oil...

Hi mate any further development re feeding neem systemically. I would be interested to see the plant tested for neem in its system?

ozzieAI · Jun 28, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
Hi mate any further development re feeding neem systemically. I would be interested to see the plant tested for neem in its system?

i wish that i had the option to test my product...but in the land downunder...we are repressed mofo's....

generally speaking neem/aza lasts up to 55 days when applied systemically...

read my signature: neem has been used for for more years than written history....in my eyes, the most reliable source...

along with cannabis and the coconut palm...the neem tree is a highly beneficial plant...

ozzieAI · Jun 28, 2020

..to be fair: neem as a pesticide was only discovered in 1953 by the western world...when a locust plague didn't eat the neem tree and a German etymologist took note...i think!!

moses wellfleet · Jun 28, 2020

ozzieAI said:
i wish that i had the option to test my product...but in the land downunder...we are repressed mofo's....

generally speaking neem/aza lasts up to 55 days when applied systemically...

read my signature: neem has been used for for more years than written history....in my eyes, the most reliable source...

along with cannabis and the coconut palm...the neem tree is a highly beneficial plant...

OK so I discovered too late that I was not too using pure Neem oil when I attempted to feed systemically. It was neem oil that had an alcohol base unfortunately.

So I have finally sourced pure neem oil and can now give this thing a proper go!!

ozzieAI · Jun 28, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
OK so I discovered too late that I was not too using pure Neem oil when I attempted to feed systemically. It was neem oil that had an alcohol base unfortunately.

So I have finally sourced pure neem oil and can now give this thing a proper go!!

just make sure you use a wetting agent to emulsify the neem oil with the water...

Pudgeman · Jun 30, 2020

I wish we were able to use neem or any of it derivatives but we are not.

Boyd Crowder · Jul 1, 2020

i am currently in the middle of regimin against these beasties
will do a pictorial here soon , just want to get more to the end of it before i do so
to date i have done:
a weakish triaz/gama treatment (lowes tree n shrub smomethingsomething)
it slowed down the
aphids but certaiunly was not an instant kill

followed in 5 days by a safers soap root dunk, which surprisingly elimintaed the crawlies
in addition i threw out a ton of unecesarry clones that were just bad off
while dunking , i have gradually worked alot of the old bad infected coco from the younger pots replacing with fresh new coco.
thats helped alot in the ones ive done
safers really fucks w the ph so you kinda have to dick with flushes after a few days

next up 6 days later was an imid dunk
which destroyed any and all critters in what was left of the older rootballs
i havent seen any bugs or flyers since the safers dunk btw

followed by a second imid root dunk 6 days after this , in which i actually added some food and phd to 5.8

after letting this dry i flushed this very sour coco (5.2-5.8 with up to 1600ppm runoffs before the feed) & fed with heads 6/9 (i run V+B normally)

during this entire process (im gonna do a triaz dunk tomorrow) im still seeing slow but decent growth up top but fans exhibiting the classic fade/spot necrosis across everything
but after the flush a few days ago thats finally starting to chill out. im only in veg with 5 3gals and 4 2qrts so its nothing more athan a proof of concept and im honestly waiting for the clones i took to strike until i just chop these mothers.

i MIGHT flower out the moms just to keep the test going , maybe yall can chime in if youd be interested in me just doing a journey here and showing some pics of wether or not i can treat and go to flower and ultimitely harvest a normal crop that wont poison me.

it might be cool to see ifits worth the effort or not
i bought this shit , might as well use it even if i toss these things

yall lemme know - btw i dont care much if the imid is in there cause ill run these things 60+ days Im growing for me and the wife, im not organic nor do i have patients .Im just a consumer tired of paying big bread for midgrade sensi

and anyways , as a daily smoker for the last 37 years i can safely assume ive smoked LOTS of mexican and domestic pesticides

hamstring · Jul 1, 2020

Douglas.Curtis said:
The potato slice trick works. 7 days later I found these bastards...
https://smoke.io/imageupload_data/6b4e8eaace7bf8102f69a692ec04ddbabb4e6cc9
Animated gif...
Was wondering why growth had slowed so much. Thought the soil was too hot there for a minute but, nope... that wasn't it.

I prefer mites...

Are those the crawlers or the flyers of root aphids? They don't look like the pictures I have seen.

ozzieAI · Jul 1, 2020

Boyd Crowder said:
i am currently in the middle of regimin against these beasties
will do a pictorial here soon , just want to get more to the end of it before i do so
to date i have done:
a weakish triaz/gama treatment (lowes tree n shrub smomethingsomething)
it slowed down the
aphids but certaiunly was not an instant kill

followed in 5 days by a safers soap root dunk, which surprisingly elimintaed the crawlies
in addition i threw out a ton of unecesarry clones that were just bad off
while dunking , i have gradually worked alot of the old bad infected coco from the younger pots replacing with fresh new coco.
thats helped alot in the ones ive done
safers really fucks w the ph so you kinda have to dick with flushes after a few days

next up 6 days later was an imid dunk
which destroyed any and all critters in what was left of the older rootballs
i havent seen any bugs or flyers since the safers dunk btw

followed by a second imid root dunk 6 days after this , in which i actually added some food and phd to 5.8

after letting this dry i flushed this very sour coco (5.2-5.8 with up to 1600ppm runoffs before the feed) & fed with heads 6/9 (i run V+B normally)

during this entire process (im gonna do a triaz dunk tomorrow) im still seeing slow but decent growth up top but fans exhibiting the classic fade/spot necrosis across everything
but after the flush a few days ago thats finally starting to chill out. im only in veg with 5 3gals and 4 2qrts so its nothing more athan a proof of concept and im honestly waiting for the clones i took to strike until i just chop these mothers.

i MIGHT flower out the moms just to keep the test going , maybe yall can chime in if youd be interested in me just doing a journey here and showing some pics of wether or not i can treat and go to flower and ultimitely harvest a normal crop that wont poison me.

it might be cool to see ifits worth the effort or not
i bought this shit , might as well use it even if i toss these things

yall lemme know - btw i dont care much if the imid is in there cause ill run these things 60+ days Im growing for me and the wife, im not organic nor do i have patients .Im just a consumer tired of paying big bread for midgrade sensi

and anyways , as a daily smoker for the last 37 years i can safely assume ive smoked LOTS of mexican and domestic pesticides

...or you could root drench with emulsified neem oil a couple of times...

good luck...

Boyd Crowder · Jul 1, 2020

i dont like neem and its shown early in this thread its not effective against the fungus gnat.
i like to go with shit thats actually been tested by science and stuff, and PROVEN to be effective against these pests.
theres a university study listed in this thread that shows safers, imidiclorpid & triazicide to actually work alongside the %data, ie science
neem oil has not been proven as effective as these chems and soap. the soap is 96% kill
the imid is i think i remeber 98% triazicide is %95 and this stuff is relatively harmless, cheap and everywhere in my area.

Ive used neem for all sorts of stuff and it does work against some things, but bru - im not organic i dont care if its got traces of common pesticides in it, that shit i consume everday in the veggies and fruits in my diet. im over the organic thing - over it.

neem oil will gum up the roots and your plants. Read the first 40 pages or so of this thread.
neem dunks = no bueno

ozzieAI · Jul 2, 2020

Boyd Crowder said:
i dont like neem and its shown early in this thread its not effective against the fungus gnat.
i like to go with shit thats actually been tested by science and stuff, and PROVEN to be effective against these pests.
theres a university study listed in this thread that shows safers, imidiclorpid & triazicide to actually work alongside the %data, ie science
neem oil has not been proven as effective as these chems and soap. the soap is 96% kill
the imid is i think i remeber 98% triazicide is %95 and this stuff is relatively harmless, cheap and everywhere in my area.

Ive used neem for all sorts of stuff and it does work against some things, but bru - im not organic i dont care if its got traces of common pesticides in it, that shit i consume everday in the veggies and fruits in my diet. im over the organic thing - over it.

neem oil will gum up the roots and your plants. Read the first 40 pages or so of this thread.
neem dunks = no bueno

the thing is that neem oil got a bad name when some companies sold 'hydrophobic' neem oil that had the major active ingredient (Azadirachtan) removed.

here is a link to a thread covering this issue: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=267654

neem oil is fine on the roots, here is a link to a side/side experiment i did: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=260048

i have been using neem oil and azamax for many years now, and there hasn't been one insect that it hasn't been able to defeat both indoors and out...

it's your grow and do what you want...it just that your points on neem are incorrect...

cannascholar · Jul 3, 2020

Boyd, try Spectracide Triazicide at 30ml per gal(if purchased in quart quantity, gallon use 15ml) it will reak havoc on them without phytotoxicity. Best of all , you won't end up smoking a neurotoxin and weaken your plants.

Been seeing dead, fungus covered aphids thanks to BioCeres, PFR-97 combo in my coco garden. Hoping it continues to be effective throughout the flower cycle without weekly application$.

Pudgeman · Jul 27, 2020

Has anyone here done a drench of rockwool with dr zymes eliminator and had any success? Again barred with what I can use ie no EPA reg numbers allowed.

Pudgeman · Aug 4, 2020

Reaching out again to see if anyone has had results with Dr Zymes. Have been experimenting with rates on my end. The high end rate caused a lot of curling in the plants when applied to the root zone. Medium as a drench caused one of my test plants to lock out. Medium as a sprench did help take the algae off the blocks and little to no photo on the leaves. Hoping to get somewhere with this.

woolybear · Aug 4, 2020

Monterrey B.T. has kept my garden humming!

Boyd Crowder · Aug 5, 2020

Boyd Crowder · Aug 13, 2020

TL;DR
i bought some orthene fire ant killer from lowes on sunday
its 50% acephate powder
i mixed 5g per gallon of water into the food for that day, along with some hygrozime and superthrive

everything in the clone tent had been devastated , nothing but dead brown roots in everyhting
my moms are just looking raggedy and just fucked up as well
the gg4 and anodine are the worst , but the wedding cake, ogkb 2.0 and the gluetonic seem to be more or less handling things better

anyways

i fed them the acephate meal and have been waiting till everything drys out in the pots
since the roots are mostly dead on everything , its taken till today to be dry enough to feed them
on the tops of the soil, i can see the acephate collecting into tiny clumps, very similar to the wax that aphids leave. im pretty sure it isnt wax. i cannot see anything moving or even remotely buglike in any of the pots , save for a moth of some kind under one of the moms
best part is that im seeing brand new fuzzy white roots in the clones again

since the fans are mostly all affected , some with fade others w necrolysis
i decided i would try a foliar feed to see if that helps the plants through both sides
i used flowers kiss for the foliar feed btw

and to feed them today , i used triazicide at 3oz/gal in their food mix
(i had been using this at 1.5oz/gl), along w a shot of hygrozime and backed off the food strength from 1.8 ish to about .95
as i see a consistent edge burn from the new food/strength

im going to let these girls dry out again before feeding them again

ill let you know if i kill these bugs and or girls or not

TBH i had these things under control-ish and kinda slacked off the 3-5 day treatments
big mistake
also , my home has had drain flys for the last 2 summers, i wasnt even growing last summer... i cant figure out how to rid them but ive noticed a significat decrease since using the acephate

caljim · Aug 13, 2020

Way to stay with it. Fingers crossed the acephate powder knocks em down for the count.

I wood · Aug 13, 2020

Boyd Crowder said:
also , my home has had drain flys for the last 2 summers, i wasnt even growing last summer... i cant figure out how to rid them but ive noticed a significat decrease since using the acephate

Had those before, very annoying.
They established themselves in floor drain p-traps and bathroom sink overflow system, inside the sink where you cant really clean.
Both places were fixed with large amounts of near boiling water.
Preheat ceramic sinks first by filling with hot water to lessen possibly of cracking from drastic temperature change.
A gallon through overflow hole and a couple of gallons down floor drain did the trick for me.
This also put a stop to occasional mosquito in the winter time that previously boggled my mind.
Good luck.

bigtacofarmer · Aug 13, 2020

Once identified it was easy to kill drain flies. Few big pots of boiling water down every drain in the house with a follow up a few days later and they are all gone. Now if I even think I see one I boil some water. Problem solved. I do not even consider them in a garden problem any more.

They sure we're annoying as hell back when I was treating them as a gnat or aphid.

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