hydrodreams
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What do you mean with "potential harms"?
When smoking?
Yield of the plant?
Can you tell please...
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Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
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What do you mean with "potential harms"?
When smoking?
Yield of the plant?
Can you tell please...
Minister
Member
I know how to prevent root aphids in coco....
If anyone wants to know how to prevent root aphids without applying any products then pm me. I'm not taking credit for it and would rather not have it shared with this site. I pulled the answer from an old academic paper just fyi. Note: This only works in coco and is a preventative. You can't fix infected plants without adding harmful substances that make your final product unusable.
Do you take mastercard or is it ok if I send you my account number ?
I really need to know.
Don´t want to redicule anyone but you asked for it. The exact same reason you wont tell the world your "secret".
Imid may have potential harms, but no one knows, as of now. So far the bees are the one to suffer, mostly due to widespread use everywhere on everything,
But that is a cultural practice default in agriculture.
Please bring forth facts that are tangible, your statements have no place in this thread if not.
We all know insecticides have a bad reputation, please help everyone make an informed choice of their own.
hydrodreams
Member
The prospect of getting rid off root aphids by cleaning out the room completely with a vacum is rather wishful thinking, isn't it? Is the chance that there will always be an egg or one aphid left to big?
Or is there anybody around here who has been succesfull this way?
Or is there anybody around here who has been succesfull this way?
Where do Root Aphids come from? Dogs, japanese maple trees, conifers, lettuce, friends, hydro shop countertops, clones from ______, or....is it part of nature.
If anyone can tells us "where root aphids come from", then it we could all join in harmony and treat our plants at the same time...and "slam the door" on em--once and for all. But no one knows.
But, I regard advice of quitting (toss out the plants and start over) as a defeatist strategy--as nothing is done to eliminate the source.
Just saying.
If anyone can tells us "where root aphids come from", then it we could all join in harmony and treat our plants at the same time...and "slam the door" on em--once and for all. But no one knows.
But, I regard advice of quitting (toss out the plants and start over) as a defeatist strategy--as nothing is done to eliminate the source.
Just saying.
They come from soil. It's not a mystery. That's where they live. All over the world.
spook719
Member
Ya I'm pretty sure there in all kinds of bagged soils, compost, ewc, and even some coco. atleast the eggs are.
So here's a link to potential harms, sometimes information like this can be difficult to find because the companies that sell harmful products like this make sure none of their studies show how fucked up it really is or they don't test long enough to really see the results... you know?? Theyre all about money ie: Monsanto. But let me stop cuz I could go on for a while
Check the link. It's not hard to see how potentially harmful it is- I mean come on....
http://www.flora.org/healthyottawa/merit-pesticide-insecticide-grub.htm
So here's a link to potential harms, sometimes information like this can be difficult to find because the companies that sell harmful products like this make sure none of their studies show how fucked up it really is or they don't test long enough to really see the results... you know?? Theyre all about money ie: Monsanto. But let me stop cuz I could go on for a while
Check the link. It's not hard to see how potentially harmful it is- I mean come on....
http://www.flora.org/healthyottawa/merit-pesticide-insecticide-grub.htm
Minister
Member
Yep I´m all for education.
Let us all agree there is no such thing as a healthy insecticide. And no doubt imid poses problems in Ottawa also, since it is one of the most commonly used bug killing products in the world.
But still, the environmental problems due to use of neonicotinoid compounds, of wich imid is one, is still limited to bees/bumblebees. They are insects and imid is an insecticide.
The ban in France, Italy, Slovenia, Holland and Germany regards crops bees are attracted to and makes perfectly sence. http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/intheworks/ccd-european-ban.htmln
This ban is about to be implemented on EU scale and thank God. Chemical companys such as Bayer(imid) and Monsanto(glyphosate) obviously have their own money making agenda, and are not to be trusted since they keep telling the world their products are harmless.
And who knows what our future sperm count is, but as of now we dont know.
So we all just need to have a responsible use of this insect weapon. Nicotine probably is the tobacco plants way of repelling insects.
Buying into that without spreading imid on to turfs and fields or pouring it down the drain, gives me no problems. After all we are not considering these actions because of a nice and tidy idea of vanity but because of a plague we cannot combat otherwise.
Let us all agree there is no such thing as a healthy insecticide. And no doubt imid poses problems in Ottawa also, since it is one of the most commonly used bug killing products in the world.
But still, the environmental problems due to use of neonicotinoid compounds, of wich imid is one, is still limited to bees/bumblebees. They are insects and imid is an insecticide.
The ban in France, Italy, Slovenia, Holland and Germany regards crops bees are attracted to and makes perfectly sence. http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/intheworks/ccd-european-ban.htmln
This ban is about to be implemented on EU scale and thank God. Chemical companys such as Bayer(imid) and Monsanto(glyphosate) obviously have their own money making agenda, and are not to be trusted since they keep telling the world their products are harmless.
And who knows what our future sperm count is, but as of now we dont know.
So we all just need to have a responsible use of this insect weapon. Nicotine probably is the tobacco plants way of repelling insects.
Buying into that without spreading imid on to turfs and fields or pouring it down the drain, gives me no problems. After all we are not considering these actions because of a nice and tidy idea of vanity but because of a plague we cannot combat otherwise.
Retro...you constantly amaze me with your wit!
So, if RAs "come from soil"...and live "all over the world", then using YOUR logic, please explain why growers using "non-soil" mediums have experienced the Root Aphid Plaque? Last time I checked, hydro, dwc, and coir are mediums usually never touch "soil". I have not kept score, but it seems that growers using all mediums are equally represented in this thread: soil, peat, coco, clay, rockwook, etc.
Re: Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
All these mediums are usually obtained through the same vectors I.e. grow shops...
Think of the customers coming in for mites, etc carrying eggs on shoes, trekking over doormats, mediums... The door and the register, two filthiest places.
All these mediums are usually obtained through the same vectors I.e. grow shops...
Think of the customers coming in for mites, etc carrying eggs on shoes, trekking over doormats, mediums... The door and the register, two filthiest places.
I'm about to link you a 50 page thread from ********* that explains why Capulator's "bennie teas" are so effective at eliminating RA's or other pests from the garden with natural fungi
Not only does it eliminate pests but its better than products like great white, and voodoo juice which are extremely expensive. I just ordered his 3 pack (Root, foliar, nute) from ebay for 75 bucks. No need to use Imid, no need to buy expensive botanicare.. Just try the 3 pack , and it will last you for a long time.
https://www.*********.com/community...he-best-way-to-use-caps-bennies.44469/page-11
Honestly, read this thread from page 1. Fuck the chemicals, the reason i grow bud is because i know what i'm putting into it.. and who the fuck knows if Imid is really safe in veg for sure.. we haven't been growing cannabis while implementing chemicals like imid for long enough to really know the true effects.
Here is a link for ordering his 3 pack.. EBAY.
Instructions or questions about how to apply his pack for you're particular set up can be found on the link above.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23076189038...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 ..
I went out and spent 100 bucks on met 52, but bennie's pack have the same thing in them for cheaper.. i figure since its already shipping to me i'll use his packs, and the met 52 in conjunction with my ACT tea, Pureknowledge soil mix.
Not only does it eliminate pests but its better than products like great white, and voodoo juice which are extremely expensive. I just ordered his 3 pack (Root, foliar, nute) from ebay for 75 bucks. No need to use Imid, no need to buy expensive botanicare.. Just try the 3 pack , and it will last you for a long time.
https://www.*********.com/community...he-best-way-to-use-caps-bennies.44469/page-11
Honestly, read this thread from page 1. Fuck the chemicals, the reason i grow bud is because i know what i'm putting into it.. and who the fuck knows if Imid is really safe in veg for sure.. we haven't been growing cannabis while implementing chemicals like imid for long enough to really know the true effects.
Here is a link for ordering his 3 pack.. EBAY.
Instructions or questions about how to apply his pack for you're particular set up can be found on the link above.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23076189038...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 ..
I went out and spent 100 bucks on met 52, but bennie's pack have the same thing in them for cheaper.. i figure since its already shipping to me i'll use his packs, and the met 52 in conjunction with my ACT tea, Pureknowledge soil mix.
> After all we are not considering these actions because of a nice
> and tidy idea of vanity but because of a plague we cannot
> combat otherwise.
Minister,
I do not concede that we cannot combat them otherwise, and Imid is by no means fool proof. Many claim to have achieved a once and for all solution to RA's with imid, and many, if you have read this thread, have used it without success. The RA fight rages on... -granger
> and tidy idea of vanity but because of a plague we cannot
> combat otherwise.
Minister,
I do not concede that we cannot combat them otherwise, and Imid is by no means fool proof. Many claim to have achieved a once and for all solution to RA's with imid, and many, if you have read this thread, have used it without success. The RA fight rages on... -granger
We all share your pain!
I think many of us are/were kicking the same can and wishing & praying to discover a perfect silver bullet that is "safe and organic"--unfortunately, as of this date, there are zero "safe and organic" solutions to knock-down Root Aphids. Yes there are hundreds of "safe and organic" products/strategies to control/prevent an Root Aphid infestation....but zero to knock em dead. Some trials indicate that multiple treatments of very expensive fungi might work, but it is not feasible since the co$t to fix the problem ($200-300 per plant) will usually be greater than harvest value--making it cheaper to "buy" than "grow".
So allow me to be bold and suggest the real issue is NOT "which strategy" one must employ, rather the real issue is, "how much principal must one forfeit"?
Yes, it is noble and honorable to be 100% organic/biodynamic--but when circumstances are presented and there are few alternatives, the wise man does not quit and go home--rather, he selects from "bad choices" the "best alternative" and continues with his journey.
That is how I rationalized introducing Othene & Riptide as the "best alternative" from the many "bad choices" available. Said differently: If you are going to use "chems"--then select one that gets the job done...and causes the least amount of harm.
Hope this helps!
I think many of us are/were kicking the same can and wishing & praying to discover a perfect silver bullet that is "safe and organic"--unfortunately, as of this date, there are zero "safe and organic" solutions to knock-down Root Aphids. Yes there are hundreds of "safe and organic" products/strategies to control/prevent an Root Aphid infestation....but zero to knock em dead. Some trials indicate that multiple treatments of very expensive fungi might work, but it is not feasible since the co$t to fix the problem ($200-300 per plant) will usually be greater than harvest value--making it cheaper to "buy" than "grow".
So allow me to be bold and suggest the real issue is NOT "which strategy" one must employ, rather the real issue is, "how much principal must one forfeit"?
Yes, it is noble and honorable to be 100% organic/biodynamic--but when circumstances are presented and there are few alternatives, the wise man does not quit and go home--rather, he selects from "bad choices" the "best alternative" and continues with his journey.
That is how I rationalized introducing Othene & Riptide as the "best alternative" from the many "bad choices" available. Said differently: If you are going to use "chems"--then select one that gets the job done...and causes the least amount of harm.
Hope this helps!
No, but please explain the Mode of Action and how it works against the Root Aphid. Bacteria/fungi strategies seem to be selective as to when they are the most effective: Some penetrate eggs, others make adults sterile, and some are mid-gut destroyers which destroys the RAs stomach and they starve to death.
Any knock-down solution should be investigated.
Yes I have.
The Root Aphids seemed to benifit as much as Caps bank account. My garden did not benifit.
Snake oil.
Again.
Save your money and make a batch of earth worm casting tea - which works as good or better.
Caps says it has a relitive of the Met-52 bacteria. The met-52 hasn't cleared my rockwool, but the soil innoculation seems to be working. Caps packs didn't clear the rockwool, and the visably sick plants that recieved Caps Packs, died.
Rocky...that says everything, and nothing about EWC teas! I swear by them.
Regarding Caps Bennies, it appears his products are nothing more than repackaged stuff available from our buddy in India (who sells mostly to re-packagers).
I have a bias against: Products with cartoon characters emblazoned on the label...and products marketed exclusively to the cannabis community--especially those without a brick and mortar operation.
That said, glad they work for those that swear by em--and please do not let me rain on your parade; there are so many different paths to the same destination...who is to say the road you are on--is "wrong".
Regarding Caps Bennies, it appears his products are nothing more than repackaged stuff available from our buddy in India (who sells mostly to re-packagers).
I have a bias against: Products with cartoon characters emblazoned on the label...and products marketed exclusively to the cannabis community--especially those without a brick and mortar operation.
That said, glad they work for those that swear by em--and please do not let me rain on your parade; there are so many different paths to the same destination...who is to say the road you are on--is "wrong".
They come from cuts, shared & sold, they come in your window from outside. As I have posted before, I have microscopically examined many bags of Canna coco, and never found a single thing, nor have I ever gotten RAs again, after the first time, which were permanently eliminated by a single Imid treatment. In that case, I had soil pots in my garden and they spread from soil to coco. After getting rid of all soil, and treating coco, never got them again, and at this point it is several years later. Meanwhile, you are growing perpetual style in soil, which is the main reason why you are still here, 3 years later, IMO. Soil is the ideal habitat for RAs. Not surprising, since that's where they live in nature. That doesn't mean they can't be spread by other means, but it does mean that you are at much greater risk using soil as opposed to coco.
Probably 'cause they don't want links to competitors sites, especially ones that they don't deem adequate, or ones who plagiarize from this site, which I know is rampant, as I have seen threads on other sites which are copies, word for word, from threads here, with other people taking credit for the knowledge.
