Full-body scanners: we reveal all

[Skidbone]

I had a bad car crash with numerous scans to see what was messed up. They suggest not getting unnecessary xrays etc., because the accumulation of radiation. Pregnant women are not supposed to go in those airport scanners because of unusually high radiation, so I certainly wont. I just hope if I have to make that choice I am in San Jose CA where the DA said he would prosecute any security screener who jangles yer junk too much.

I hear the airport xray is so sensitive it can tell if you are or not.
It can see if you have been circumcised or not!

Oh that must be cool checking out the body jewelery that walks through. Look Grannys got 30 piercings to her "ahem".

 

[Dorje113]

It has a lot to do with it. The genocide and violence that Israel participates in is a direct result of their national culture of profiling based on religious belief and race. It gets them some tight airport security... great. I can't ethically justify that trade.

If they wanted to commit genocide there would be no Palestinians left. Your views are a direct example of the area's problems, IMO. Heavily skewed by your attachment to one side and lacking reason and maturity.

It is obvious profiling works in the case of muslim extremists. It is ridiculous to think otherwise and the US and much of the world are wasting a lot of time and effort to avoid looking racist. It is a bunch of crap, IMO...

Also, your connection of profiling to violence and genocide is unexplained and makes no sense.

 

[sac beh]

I guess it comes down to me not having as much fear as you guys and not considering a few incidents of Muslim terrorism as sufficient evidence to suspect all Muslim looking people and only them. Given how broad the category of Muslin looking people is, it doesn't rationally follow to me, and I don't have the fear or hate of airport inconvenience pumping in my blood to rationalize it emotionally either.

I'm willing to take a couple of gropings and searches for my decision. It doesn't bother me and I'm not under the illusion that they somehow take away my rights or offend me personally. I'm already in a place that I hate (airports) for a few hours, a friendly groping isn't going to hold me up that much.

 

[sac beh]

If they wanted to commit genocide there would be no Palestinians left. Your views are a direct example of the area's problems, IMO. Heavily skewed by your attachment to one side and lacking reason and maturity.

No, my views are a direct result of my major in Middle Eastern studies, and a direct example of a more reasoned analysis of the history in this region.

Genocide doesn't have to be complete genocide as you say.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

There are Israelis, and for many Israeli administrations it has been the goal, who would like the destruction in whole or part of the Palestinians, to such an extent that it would never be acceptable if Israel weren't an ally of the US.

 

[Miss Blunted]

Hey securtiy! That peek you just got at my snatch & ta-tas costs money where I come from. That'll be $30 asshole!

 

[Guest3498]

Hey securtiy! That peek you just got at my snatch & ta-tas costs money where I come from. That'll be $30 asshole!

That actually brings up a good point. I wonder about how much is costs taxpayers to screen each person...

 

[rives]

I guess it comes down to me not having as much fear as you guys and not considering a few incidents of Muslim terrorism as sufficient evidence to suspect all Muslim looking people and only them. Given how broad the category of Muslin looking people is, it doesn't rationally follow to me, and I don't have the fear or hate of airport inconvenience pumping in my blood to rationalize it emotionally either.

I'm willing to take a couple of gropings and searches for my decision. It doesn't bother me and I'm not under the illusion that they somehow take away my rights or offend me personally. I'm already in a place that I hate (airports) for a few hours, a friendly groping isn't going to hold me up that much.

I don't think that "fear" has anything to do with my opinion on how things should work. It comes from a lifetime of trouble-shooting problems in a variety of environments. If your engine doesn't run, you don't change the tires. If you have spider mites, you don't treat for a cal-mag deficiency. If one hundred percent of your problems have come from one area, you don't waste your efforts chasing every other potential source just so you can show that you aren't specifically targeting that source.

 

[sac beh]

And a comparison cannot be made, anticipating your objection, between what I claim to be happening in the Middle East and what you guys claim to be happening in our airports. In the former case there is a well-defined criminal with nearly 100 years of documented evidence in its contra, while in the latter there is a huge and nebulous group of Muslim-looking people who may or may not have any violent goals.

 

[rives]

No, my views are a direct result of my major in Middle Eastern studies, and a direct example of a more reasoned analysis of the history in this region.

Genocide doesn't have to be complete genocide as you say.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

There are Israelis, and for many Israeli administrations it has been the goal, who would like the destruction in whole or part of the Palestinians, to such an extent that it would never be acceptable if Israel weren't an ally of the US.

Well, I don't have the credentials that you claim, but I have kept a cursory eye on the news for about the last 45 years or so. I think that the same could be said for the Palestinians .

 

[sac beh]

I don't think that "fear" has anything to do with my opinion on how things should work. It comes from a lifetime of trouble-shooting problems in a variety of environments. If your engine doesn't run, you don't change the tires. If you have spider mites, you don't treat for a cal-mag deficiency. If one hundred percent of your problems have come from one area, you don't waste your efforts chasing every other potential source just so you can show that you aren't specifically targeting that source.

Those comparisons aren't good. In every case a spider mite is not desirable. In every case, a nutrient imbalance according to your methods is not desirable. A Muslim is many times more likely to enjoy a safe flight with you than blow up your plane. So while it does follow that all spider mites have damaged your plants, thus all future spider mites are suspect. It doesn't follow that because a very few Muslims have attempted terrorist acts that all are suspect, especially given the large number of people in the category.

 

[Captain Ginyu]

its funny because they do single out certain groups.
if you come back from a "drug country" like Jamaica and you are white, young and flying alone they will search your bag and persons and spend a few minutes trying to intimidate you. i flew there twice a year for 20 years and it would be like clockwork every time i was passing through immigration on the way back into the US. and of course they would tell me it was random, riiightt.

why cant they do that with the people they suspect with bombings? they surely have no problem with people they think are drug mules.

PC bullshit

Oh yeah, they single me out too. I was even wearing sandals once, & they still made me take them off! What's fucked up, I'm a veteran, & I guess they profile vets too, what a joke! From now on I'll only fly if theres a family emergency. Otherwise, I'm driving!

 

[Corpsey]

so say someone does set a bomb off on a plane, does that mean the scanners will go away?
or is this the way it will be from now on? like the removing of shoes.

and i personally feel a terrorist group wouldn't go for planes next anyhow. have you guys been on a train in a major city? im pretty surprised you can bring anything on them without anyone batting an eye. granted you are not taking out a plane mid air, but it would cause a whole lot of issues getting into cities and much more.

but then we will just go ape shit putting body searches on every subway stop.

nothing moves our government till after its already happened.

 

[Noobian]

That everyone shouldn't get all bent out of shape if we single out the obvious muslims and give them an extra long search, while allowing others(non-muslim in appearance) to move through the line at a faster pace.

Which is fine with me.

Ok that's what I thought you meant. So how do you propose we identify the "non obvious" Muslims? Patches on their clothes? Skin tattoos?

 

[supermanlives]

i say make em pat you down and while their doing it talk dirty and wink at em. ooh ya that feels so good . LOL

 

[rives]

Ok that's what I thought you meant. So how do you propose we identify the "non obvious" Muslims? Patches on their clothes? Skin tattoos?

Effective profiling is more about reducing the size of target population that you are concerned with rather than identifying the people who are on the fringes of the genotype. If 100% of the bombers have been relatively young Muslims, you can pretty safely eliminate huge numbers of people from the group that you are paying attention to. Almost anyone who is on their way to a final re-union with their maker is going to have numerous behavioral "tells" - sweating, obvious anxiety, etc. Yes, these could be symptoms of flight anxiety, but it is still an effective way to limit the population that gets your attention. The usage of dogs is far more effective than an unproven technology with an unknown health impact. There are people who have been living with the reality of terrorists in their midst for a long time - it seems prudent to me that we would make use of their experience.

 

[HippyJohnny]

Follow the money

Follow the money

That actually brings up a good point. I wonder about how much is costs taxpayers to screen each person...

WE HAVE A WINNER! This whole thing is nothing more than a jobs program and a great contract for scanner companies. Now they want to fire T.S.A.... and award money to a "contractor" (cronies with connections) to do the T.S.A thing.

Next time I fly I may just wear flip flops, tank top and a speedo.... (FOR REAL)

911 was committed by terrorist paying cash for one way tickets, no luggage, on terrorist watch lists...( being watched and monitored by the FBI) and if you want to throw in the racist b.s looked like middle eastern Muslims.
How would scanners and fondling have helped?

The shoe bomber paid in cash carried no luggage..... do you see?

If we all just quit looking at the shiny objects, we might see that we are being screwed.

One more desensitization of the public about the right to privacy and liberty.
We get the "theater of security" in exchange for freedoms.

I swear it all started with a piss test. (the original jobs program...contractor bonanza... privacy stealer, 4th amendment killer)

 

[sac beh]

TSA Changes Its Mind on Security Rules—for Pilots

As the backlash continues against the TSA’s full body scanning and increasingly aggressive pat-downs of those who opt out, the agency has bent a little in one area. The head of TSA today questioned the need to use the added security on pilots. The pilots organization had already told its members to opt out of the scans to avoid extra radiation exposure. Now, the TSA says that as of 2011 pilots will only need to have their airline-issued IDs checked by computer.

“This one seemed to jump out as a common-sense issue,” Transportation Security Administration (TSA) chief John Pistole told Bloomberg News on Friday. “Why don’t we trust pilots who are literally in charge of the aircraft?” That’s exactly the point commercial airline pilots have been making for years. [Christian Science Monitor]

What Pistole did not do, however, was back off the policy of using the scanners on the rest of us. And yesterday on its blog, the TSA tried to launch a PR counter-offensive to the tidal wave of bad press this week. (Though you might not be terribly satisfied with their answer to the question of whether pat-downs are invasive, about which Ars Technica quips, “Nowhere in the “Fact” response does the TSA directly answer the allegation of invasiveness, probably because the pat-downs are invasive.”)

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...hanges-its-mind-on-security-rules—for-pilots/

 

[Corpsey]

wonderful

 

[Anti]

Same reason most police departments don't want marijuana legalized. They get a fat stipend from their rich uncle for busting drugs... only problem is there's really no problem. Lots of people smoking herb, though. ...bust 'em and we keep the money. Plus, we can go after minorities because now we have a reason to search and detain and incarcerate them.

This is to get you lubed up and ready for the next invasion.

(You're doing great... you can take a little more.... can't you?)

 

[genkisan]

Please. Don't hold up Israel as an example of successful security. Their security has come at the price of another people's near complete destruction, the longest-lasting yet most accepted example of genocide we have today.

What a total crock of shit.....genocide my fucking ass.
Please go learn the meaning of the word before you start spewing anti-semitic propaganda bullshit.

Israel has NEVER tried to eliminate the Palestinians, nor have they ever claimed that is their goal.
Countries interested in genocide do not build hospitals, universities and the like for the people they target....which is exactly what Israel had been doing for the Palestinians before the Intifada.
In fact, before the Intifada, Palestinians had one of the highest standards of education and healthcare in the Arab world.

On the other hand, go read the Hamas charter....they have been calling for the total and complete destruction of Israel since they were founded. Go learn how they use their own people as shields and targets (the better to convince ignorant people like you that there is a genocide). Go learn how many more Palestinians are killed by Hamas then are killed by Israel because they happen to oppose Hamas. Hamas not only advocates genocide, it is written into their charter, and they train people for it (esp kids).
And you could always look before Hamas, and read up on the Mufti of Jerusalem, and how eager he was to invite the SS into Palestine to set up death camps for Jews. You can find the letters he wrote to Himmler online, if yer intetrested.

Or you could go back in time and learn how BOTH people were offered their own country in 1948(with the Arabs getting all the choice bits) and how the Arabs refused and tried to push the Jews into the sea. And you could learn a bit about how all the countries claimning to be wonderful Arab "brothers" to the Palestinians have kept them in refugee camps for 40+ years for their own political reasons (primarily to make Israel look bad).

Or you could go further back and learn about how the present population of 'Palestinians'(a term that did not exist at all before 1948, btw) are mostly migrant workers from neighboring countries who started coming into what is now Israel after the huge influx of Jewish immigrants starting in the 1880.

Or you could look at how Hamas educates children, and the incredibly racist and hate-filled children's cartoons they broadcast regularly. Palestinian kids are raised from birth to hate Jews (not just Israelis....JEWS)....by the state, not just their parents. If you need links to examples cuz yer too lazy to look for them, just let me know...there is no shortage.

But you are probably not interested in learning all that...after all, it is SO much easier to point the fingers at the bad old Jews and blame them.


It's very simple....if Hamas puts down their weapons, there will be no more violence.

If the Israelis put down their weapons, there will be no more Israel.


If the Palestinians were truely interested in having peace and their own country, all they have to do is pull a Gandhi. Organize real non-violent protests and you can be sure if one Israeli soldier touched one peaceful Palestinian protester, Israel would instantly loose the public opinion war and Palestine would be a country.


But they do not do this........why you ask?
Because they will only be satisfied when all the Jews are pushed into the sea......just like Hamas and their other leaders have trained them.