9/11 bombers from the neck down looked like any other American, and then you look from the neck up, and you see a bunch of flaming middle easterners, no hiding that.
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Full-body scanners: we reveal all
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I can accept what you're saying to some degree except the real threat is going to be Muslims. Now, I realize that it's very unlikely someone actually tries to get a bomb on board a plane, and most likely going to be carried in cargo. But still, this bogus searching of old ladies and obvious Americans that likely don't even have a criminal record of any sort is ridiculous. Lite it or not, it's because of Muslim religious faith that they would try to kill innocent people. So why in the hell are we searching American moms and children? Explain to me why, if we have to search people, it should be those who clearly and obviously are not going to hurt anyone? If we want to be safe, search Muslims. You don't like it, tell the Muslims to police themselves. But I'll be damned if typical Americans should be body searched just to be fair to the occasional Muslim traveler. Frankly, I think we would have a much better result if the Muslims in this country were calling out to their middle east brethren to stop trying to kill innocent Americans because it is making their livesw so difficult here. But instead they are complicit and probably some smirk knowing we are doing to Americans now exactly what the Taliban would be willing to do to all the people in Afghanistan.
I hope everyone realizes we are losing our rights thanks to the course of "security" our government chose. Think about it, our lives are actually being controlled by terrorists.
sac beh
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I also bet if you start locking up an improportionate number blacks, you'll get a few more blacks off the street. But did you reduce violence among blacks, or among the whole society? Did you address the causes of black poverty and drug use? Did you do anything but lock up a few more blacks than you would have if not profiling them on the street and court level?
You want to profile whites for being the same skin color as those in white supremacy hate groups or as some of our US-born terrorists?
You want to profile whites for being the same skin color as those in white supremacy hate groups or as some of our US-born terrorists?
sac beh
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My life isn't... why let yours be? You don't have to fly you know? The roads in the US are strikingly open and free for travel.
You're letting yourself being controlled by the idea that you're being controlled by terrorists and the US government.
Anyway, back to topic... how 'bout these scanners, huh?
Funny case in point relating to exactly what you posted.
Mall of America several years ago was cut off from the north side of MLPS(black part of town) by a transit strike, lasted a whole month, during that time they experienced a 70% reduction in crime at the mall, so hmmmmm, makes you wonder.
And before everyone starts calling me a racist bastard, I'm just repeating a story from our local news, they even had a cop that said the reason for the reduction in crime was simple, the people committing them can't get to the mall.
Poverty and drug abuse are big issues with no short term answer.
And how do they come into play at the airport?
You going to make the drug abusers complete a treatment program at the airport before getting on the plane?
Do poor people have to show proof of a job before they can fly?
Who cares what the reasons are they are committing crimes when it come down to stopping the crime from happening on a given day and time, like when they are boarding a flight.
So yes, profile people and yank the obvious looking ones for extra attention.
When you figure out how to drive a car to Europe you let me know, and I'm not interested in spending a week on a boat to get there either.
Assuming that I agree, which is a leap, what does that have to do with the fact that their airplanes don't get hijacked or blown up? Profiling and dogs work. Going after grandmothers and toddlers is asinine.
sac beh
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You don't think that detectives and criminologists would say that understanding the reasons for crime help in prevention? Profiling on such broad categories such as skin color, religious belief, or clothing is never going to catch you a lot of criminals. Its too short-sighted.
So the next time you need to defend yourself from an intruder by killing him, tell the police that your reasons for the violent act aren't important, its only important that you killed him.
I guess I really don't have a problem with strangers handling the ole cockandballs. ;D Seriously doesn't bother me, not like I fly to get my junk tusseled but I don't even give it a second thought. Next time I think I'll ask if they want to call a supervisor for a second opinion and feel 
I would not go through a body scanner.
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I would not go through a body scanner.
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sac beh
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It has a lot to do with it. The genocide and violence that Israel participates in is a direct result of their national culture of profiling based on religious belief and race. It gets them some tight airport security... great. I can't ethically justify that trade.
sac beh
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Then thankfully you have the option of flying and standing in lines at an airport for two hours. Searching only Muslims isn't going to save you much time in the whole process.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure if you understand me.
I'm talking about the moment before they board a flight, in which case profiling is very helpful in singling out potential threats
Yet you can ethically justify inconveniencing and traumatizing the other 99.5% of travelers whose ethnic groups have contributed absolutely nothing to the problem? This is exactly the kind of horse shit that has gotten us to where we are today. Standing back and solving the problem with a blind eye towards ethnic sensitivities is what is necessary to make this work for the traveling public. Treat it like any other problem - identify the source of the problem and take care of it.
Yes please, if you don't mind, why don't you list all the non muslims who have tried to blowup a US flight in the last ten years.
I'll bet now the muslims have them beat 10 to 1
Stick to attempts to blow US flights please.
sac beh
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Not profiling in the way that the posted article and you are saying, searching only those that appear Muslim. Do you know how many Muslims you'd let through because they didn't appear Muslim? Not accounting for the terrorists who don't have anything to do with Islam.
My main argument is that its not an effective use of resources. I'd actually prefer that more resources were spent on upgrades and maintenance of planes, pilot benefits, and better food than a Muslim-only screening system.
If we only scanned people that fit the profile, and let all others go through the traditional security check(metal dector/Xray bags) we would have more resources to spend on the things you're talking about.
sac beh
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Yes, according to this choice, inconveniences in the place of genocide and racism are an overwhelming clear decision for me.
Again, screening only those who look Muslin doesn't identify the source of the problem. The source of the problem isn't that everyone who looks Muslim is a terrorist.
An effective profiling system would incorporate far more than simply targeting "Muslim-looking" passengers. Attire, demeanor, overt behavior, etc are all components.
Exactly what I'm talking about.|
Wearing a burka would only be one of many things things to look for on the profile list.
