Unclecrash
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does it help to throw a node or so into the root area or just stay between the nodes when peeling the green layer. I see you are leaving some ruffage on the top cut which seems to help throw roots .
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From start of cloning to harvest 13 week scrog
- Thread starter Ichabod Crane
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I am not sure it is needed. I have not done any testing on that yet so just a belief.
The way I strip the outer layer is with my thumb nail. It tends to split and fray when I do this. I just make sure that all the splits and frays are covered with Dip n Gro.
Mr crane..... You have inspired another experiment.....
It will be clonex vs dip n' grow.....
My feeling my friend....is that dip n' grow is the deal for this purpose......
One way to find out....
Post it up in your cloning thread so everyone can see. I am curious to see.
Update time again.
Here is the Bruce Banner #3 in the plastic bag from yesterday. You can see the moisture building up under the bag. She is my first bag lady.
I took the bag off to see if she was wilting. I had given her a turkey baster last night and again this morning. As you can see there is no wilt. Yeh. Also notice the stake I put in. It is off to the side of the root ball. It looked to me like she was leaning so hence the stake.
So looks like this clone is doing good.
Here is the Bruce Banner #3 in the plastic bag from yesterday. You can see the moisture building up under the bag. She is my first bag lady.
I took the bag off to see if she was wilting. I had given her a turkey baster last night and again this morning. As you can see there is no wilt. Yeh. Also notice the stake I put in. It is off to the side of the root ball. It looked to me like she was leaning so hence the stake.
So looks like this clone is doing good.
Now on to the next plant. It is Death Star. Instead of being tall like the Bruce Banner #3 she is short and bushy. The Bruce Banner #3 is about 26 inches tall and this Death Star is only about 16 inches tall. Here is a side by side shot of the two.
Here is a shot of her when I first cut her down.
Two pots not three like yesterdays Bruce Banner #3.
Now for the root balls. I know some people are only interested in them. So here is a front and a back shot of the root ball.
I will post up the Blue Dream when I get my fat lazy ass up to cut it down and plant it later today.
Here is a shot of her when I first cut her down.
Two pots not three like yesterdays Bruce Banner #3.
Now for the root balls. I know some people are only interested in them. So here is a front and a back shot of the root ball.
I will post up the Blue Dream when I get my fat lazy ass up to cut it down and plant it later today.
Next up is a Blue Dream air layered clone.
When I started this one it was just as insurance against a lost clone. It did not have the tip pinched like the other clones had. It is about 16 inches tall like the Death Star is. I did a side by side next to the Death Star and you can clearly see what pinching the tip does. The Blue Dream is on the left and the Death Star on the the right.
Now here is the Blue Dream plant when cut down next to some pots.
Now the Death Star picture again.
Both of these plants have a similar growth structure but look completely different when one is pinched.
Now if you look close you can see a yellowing leaf on the bottom of the Blue Dream. So it took some stress when being air layered. But that aside it was a day behind the Death Star when I started cloning. It also has a nice looking root ball. Here are the front and back pictures of the root ball.
I will try to get some pictures up today of the Blue Dream clones from cuttings
When I started this one it was just as insurance against a lost clone. It did not have the tip pinched like the other clones had. It is about 16 inches tall like the Death Star is. I did a side by side next to the Death Star and you can clearly see what pinching the tip does. The Blue Dream is on the left and the Death Star on the the right.
Now here is the Blue Dream plant when cut down next to some pots.
Now the Death Star picture again.
Both of these plants have a similar growth structure but look completely different when one is pinched.
Now if you look close you can see a yellowing leaf on the bottom of the Blue Dream. So it took some stress when being air layered. But that aside it was a day behind the Death Star when I started cloning. It also has a nice looking root ball. Here are the front and back pictures of the root ball.
I will try to get some pictures up today of the Blue Dream clones from cuttings
great thread ich, i love all the explanations, not only your propagation technique but even how to use icmag instructions...
great job, i'll be watching along.
great job, i'll be watching along.
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As many have al ready written... Nice thread Ichabod!
Very informative, I will soon try this propagation technique at home. You should post a little more often though, 3 times per day with pictures might not be enough for all.
"no nuclear power plant near by." Good for you but never far enough.
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As many have al ready written... Nice thread Ichabod!
Very informative, I will soon try this propagation technique at home. You should post a little more often though, 3 times per day with pictures might not be enough for all.
"no nuclear power plant near by." Good for you but never far enough.
I post that stuff for the new people. When I first started reading I had no clue how to find the best stuff. I read and read and read and was totally confused. So I figured I would post it early for the new guys. They are the main reason for the thread anyway.
But I still appreciate the long term posters like you. That way I can learn what the heck I am messing up.
As many have al ready written... Nice thread Ichabod!
Very informative, I will soon try this propagation technique at home. You should post a little more often though, 3 times per day with pictures might not be enough for all.
"no nuclear power plant near by." Good for you but never far enough.
I know three posts is skimpy right. Hopefully when you try this there will be enough info and pictures. But dont get your hopes up.
I may have to drive by a nuke plant to get that extra arm growing. Hope I get it before I get more back hair. I already need a flail mower to trim it down some. A third or fourth eye might be cool to.
Kind of dead in here so I might as well post up some air layer porn.
This is the first Bruce Banner #3 to show roots. It is now the second one to be potted up. It is 27 inches tall from the top of the root ball. Here is a picture of it next to the first rooted Bruce Banner #3. It is the plant on the left and the first potted one is on the right.
to get a idea of how big she is here she is on a rough tote next to three pots. She runs from one end of the tote to the other. She is a big gorgeous lady.
And now the hard core porn part of this post. The front and back shots of root porn.
Thanks for following.
Unclecrash
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Ok thank's , how tight you pack the coco around the stem? My first failed I believe because it was too far along in flower. I will go back and reread how you do it also. I was speed reading through the first time LOL.
The bottles make it so much easier , without them I wouldnt do or even do another. I got my Plant count up so Im good , am basically just messing a round.
I pack it firm but it springs back a little. I want good contact between the coco and the stem.
Yuppers this is the good stuff.
How fat is that stem?
Glad you are enjoying this. It is grueling for me to keep posting. lol
Oh about this thick.
This is the second Bruce Banner #3 to be potted.
Cmon Ich.... its been almost 36 hours!! Where's the updates dude???
Alright.... I'm still not getting the fast and furious results you are Ich, but I've had another successful air layer. It was a Fire Cookie from seed. This one took almost 3 weeks tho. But slow is better than never right? I noticed the roots were very well developed, but they were only on the back side of the bottle. No roots grew towards the HPS. Also, the plant was in flower for the last 6 days.
The branches I've been air layering are considerably smaller than that big ass branch you posted. My branches are nowhere near the thickness of a sharpie. Usually just a 6-8inch clone... This must have something to do with how fast yours are rooting.
But... the last 3 air layers I've set have taken, so thats a plus. I like this method alot and will continue to use it. Just have to plan a few weeks earlier.
Alright.... I'm still not getting the fast and furious results you are Ich, but I've had another successful air layer. It was a Fire Cookie from seed. This one took almost 3 weeks tho. But slow is better than never right? I noticed the roots were very well developed, but they were only on the back side of the bottle. No roots grew towards the HPS. Also, the plant was in flower for the last 6 days.
The branches I've been air layering are considerably smaller than that big ass branch you posted. My branches are nowhere near the thickness of a sharpie. Usually just a 6-8inch clone... This must have something to do with how fast yours are rooting.
But... the last 3 air layers I've set have taken, so thats a plus. I like this method alot and will continue to use it. Just have to plan a few weeks earlier.
We should call 911 before this thread totally dies.
And truthfully I didnt start a clone the size of a sharpie. That clone put on some growth while being cloned. I had to cut the bottle lip more to get it off.
These did take longer to get roots than in the past. I think it was after day 9 I didnt water enough. Once I did they started filling in with roots. I started watering every day at day 13.
I think most of the clones were about 16 inches when I started. Maybe a little less or a little more. But I wanted them all about the same.
I will get some more posts up later today. Yesterday was a busy day for me and today as well early.
73 days left till harvest. I just cut off the last Bruce Banner #3 clone. I will be cutting off the second Death Star clone later today. But I have to go get my wife from work. I know what the hell am I a taxi driver right. haha.
So the 3rd Bruce Banner #3 clone is 24 inches tall from the top of the root ball. Again I put it next to some one gallon pots so you can judge size.
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Now the root ball pictures. Not as dense as the others but still looking good.
And last is the clone planted in its two gallon hempy bucket.
Not as tall as the other Bruce Banners but still a good size.
So the 3rd Bruce Banner #3 clone is 24 inches tall from the top of the root ball. Again I put it next to some one gallon pots so you can judge size.
Now the root ball pictures. Not as dense as the others but still looking good.
And last is the clone planted in its two gallon hempy bucket.
Not as tall as the other Bruce Banners but still a good size.
This thread is turning into a classic, Ichabod.
I'm interested in how you prepare and keep mother plants. My moms can give fresh cuts every two weeks but I'm only taking titchy ones.
I'm interested in how you prepare and keep mother plants. My moms can give fresh cuts every two weeks but I'm only taking titchy ones.
I dont really have mothers. I just clone them off I plants before I flower.
That said the mothers I used here have three different types of light. The Bruce Banner #3 clones were under 6 t5 daylight bulbs. The Death Stars are under 8 t5 bulbs. Six true veg bulbs and 2 daylight bulbs. The Blue Dreams are next to two 600 watt hps bulbs.
When you look at the clones it becomes apparent that the light source matters. The Bruce Banner clones are perfect. But they stretched more than I thought they would. The Death Star clones look way to bushy. I will not be able to spread them out as much as I want. They would be good If I was not trying to fill a scrog screen but wanted just bushes.
The Blue Dream clones at this point are not looking the greatest. I think I dried the mother out to much. But I am not sure I will need them to fill my screen so it might not be a issue.
Now to prep these clones I looked for a branch with five or six branches started near the tip of the branch to be cloned. When I found a branch like this I pinched the tip to get the five other branches to grow out. I was shooting for a plant that was about 16 long with side shoots of about 6 to 9 inches.
I figured this way I could splay the branches out to fill the screen. Each plant would cover a 16 inch square area this way.
But the Bruce Banner clones are bigger than anticipated and the Blue Dream are under achieving. So I may have to drop down from nine plants. Which would be OK with the Bruce Banner cuts having foot long branches.
This is still all new to me so I will just have to bumble alone and try to salvage something out of this.
I dont know if this will be a classic at this point it is still early. I could totally f this up. After all it has not even been three weeks. But glad you like it.
I up potted my first clone from a cutting. I thought I would post how I do that for some of the new people. It seems they want to over water there clones when they first up pot them to often.
So first is a picture of the root ball of the clone. This is the Death Star clone from a cutting that I have shown already. I am now moving it from a 9 ounce cup to a square one gallon pot. Here is the picture of its roots.
Not quite as thick as the air layered cuttings. Still a nice looking healthy clone.
Not what I do is fill up the bottom of the pot and pack it down. I keep placing the cup in to judge how high the top of the coco in the cup is. I want the coco to be about a inch below the pot top. Once that is done I leave the cup in the pot and fill in the coco around the cup till it is at the same height as the coco in the cup. This is what that looks like when I am done.
Now this is important. I once again use the precharged coco like I did when I up potted the air layers. It is moist but not dripping wet. Now with the coco around the cup I pull the cup up and out of the pot. You should have firmed the coco around the cup so that it maintains it shape.
Now just flip the cup over. I like to place the stem of the clone between my ring finger and my middle finger. Gently squeeze the cup around the out side. This will loosen the coco from the cup. Now just pull the cup off the clone and stick it into the hole. Lightly tamp the clone down to set it. You should not have to pack it hard because the slope of the cup will tighten itself.
Next I fill out a plant marker and stick it into the pot. Here is a picture of the clone set in the hole and what I use to mark the clone.
If you have never done it like this pick up the pot and get a feel for how much it weights. This should be the ideal weight for your clone. It has the perfect moisture level at this point. When it is heavier than this dont water it. It should be less than what it feels when you lift it before you water again.
Hope this helps some of you new to coco coir.
So first is a picture of the root ball of the clone. This is the Death Star clone from a cutting that I have shown already. I am now moving it from a 9 ounce cup to a square one gallon pot. Here is the picture of its roots.
Not quite as thick as the air layered cuttings. Still a nice looking healthy clone.
Not what I do is fill up the bottom of the pot and pack it down. I keep placing the cup in to judge how high the top of the coco in the cup is. I want the coco to be about a inch below the pot top. Once that is done I leave the cup in the pot and fill in the coco around the cup till it is at the same height as the coco in the cup. This is what that looks like when I am done.
Now this is important. I once again use the precharged coco like I did when I up potted the air layers. It is moist but not dripping wet. Now with the coco around the cup I pull the cup up and out of the pot. You should have firmed the coco around the cup so that it maintains it shape.
Now just flip the cup over. I like to place the stem of the clone between my ring finger and my middle finger. Gently squeeze the cup around the out side. This will loosen the coco from the cup. Now just pull the cup off the clone and stick it into the hole. Lightly tamp the clone down to set it. You should not have to pack it hard because the slope of the cup will tighten itself.
Next I fill out a plant marker and stick it into the pot. Here is a picture of the clone set in the hole and what I use to mark the clone.
If you have never done it like this pick up the pot and get a feel for how much it weights. This should be the ideal weight for your clone. It has the perfect moisture level at this point. When it is heavier than this dont water it. It should be less than what it feels when you lift it before you water again.
Hope this helps some of you new to coco coir.
I just finished potting up the second air layered Death Star clone. This one is different than the others. It is as wide as it is tall. Kind of like some of you like your ladies.
Get your head out of the gutter I was talking about scrogs.
So it measured 15 inches tall and had a branch that was 14 inch long and another that is 12 inches long. These are the two lowest branches. This is exactly what I was hoping for when I pinched the tip. So lets look at the potted plant so you can see what I mean. The two long branches go off to the left of the plant.
At as usual here is the clone next to two 1 gallon pots. Look at how wide this little honey is. I had a hard time getting her all in the picture.
Now for the root balls front and back.
Get your head out of the gutter I was talking about scrogs.
So it measured 15 inches tall and had a branch that was 14 inch long and another that is 12 inches long. These are the two lowest branches. This is exactly what I was hoping for when I pinched the tip. So lets look at the potted plant so you can see what I mean. The two long branches go off to the left of the plant.
At as usual here is the clone next to two 1 gallon pots. Look at how wide this little honey is. I had a hard time getting her all in the picture.
Now for the root balls front and back.
