Friend Busted: Am I at risk?

[Molson]

I'm going to be honest with you. If your friend signs a statement and tells them it was your grow, along with his, you will get arrested to. If he signs a statement that you helped take care of them you will probably get arrested. If he tells them you had nothing to do with them you're good to go....

Sound advice.

I had 2 buddies involved with another kid in a similar situation, but it involved breaking & entering and not a grow. They questioned buddy #1, he confessed and said basically yeah me and these 2 other guys were involved (who had not been on the cops radar or even questioned before he went downtown).

I don't know the specifics of what was signed but all 3 caught charges.

If it's your friend's first run in with the law (as it was for buddy #1) it can be pretty nerve racking, and it's easy to get caught up in that "if I don't tell the truth they said they will sodomize me" mentality.

 

[ParanoidFarmer]

Hire an attorney if it goes that far, never admit guilt to ANYTHING. not even misdemeanors. You have a right to remain silent, use it. Be wary of anything illegal ur boy asks of you for a lonnng time. Don't lie to the cops, even though they'll lie their asses off to you, just assert your right to an attorney and zipppp it.

 

[TheMintMan]

On the roof? Must be Californina

That's what I was thinking. If it is, I don't think he has much to worry about.

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

BAD advice!!

BAD advice!!

Sound advice.

I had 2 buddies involved with another kid in a similar situation, but it involved breaking & entering and not a grow. They questioned buddy #1, he confessed and said basically yeah me and these 2 other guys were involved (who had not been on the cops radar or even questioned before he went downtown).

I don't know the specifics of what was signed but all 3 caught charges.

If it's your friend's first run in with the law (as it was for buddy #1) it can be pretty nerve racking, and it's easy to get caught up in that "if I don't tell the truth they said they will sodomize me" mentality.

The poliec CANNOT get a warrant based ONLY on the allegations of a third party. No way. What are they going to tell the judge? " Your honor, we busted some guy and he says thaqt a pal of his is involved"? The judge would laugh at him. UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors are NOT probable cause.

All the cops could do is to try and find evidence that supports the accusation. They could watch you...but thats expensive...and they could question you...but of course you would make NO COMMENT whatsoever to ANY cop at ANY time, so safe there. The word of one person without any evidence is worth nothing. You might as well say that Mother Teresa was involved...it does not matter what an arrestee says: It all must be backed up with independent evidence.

For a matter like this, the cops will NOT waste their time looking to involve you with this issue. Photos of a person ( which may very well not even exist) do NOT add up to criminal involvement, as there is no proof of WHAT the buckets contained on that date. If the cops had grabbed you both that day and had proof you were involved, then maybe. but with no proof of what was in the containers as of the date involved, there is NO CASE.

Relax, smoke a fat one and be glad that you have the right to remain SILENT at ALL times when confronted by a pig. Never answer any questions whatsoever. Let the attorney do that.

 

[One Love 731]

Police have no other reason to talk to you other than to gather evidence against you. Say nothing. say nothing. Say nothing. If you say you did not know what they are, you acknowledge knowledge of said plants. If you say you gave him the buckets its conspiracy to manufacture. Say nothing, It is always easier to figure out the best story to stick to months after charges have been filed with your lawyer. If they come to question you, walk. If they detain you hand them your ID and explain any info. you are willing to give without a lawyer present is on your ID and the say nothing else. Karma, One Love

 

[j.guit.err]

Agreed. This sounds like the police making shit up to get a confession. Don't tell them shit, and just make accusations against them. That has worked for me before as well; make it seem like they are out to get you and planting evidence, etc.. You get the idea.

Just don't say shit to them and you'll be fine.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

how many plants? what charges is your buddy facing?

if your buddy rats you out and somehow you get arrested because of it, do not say a word, hire a lawyer right away, nothing else you can do, if you have no money, accept the public one. you have no idea why is your buddy accusing you of things that go on inside his residence, you don't know anything, you don't know your buddy grows or that he even smokes, the two of you have never talked about cannabis anyways.

if the cops took a pic of you whilst on the roof, you know nothing, that is not you, they have to prove it is you, so it is not you, you have never been at your buddy's house either, they have to prove it, if they cannot, it never happened.

do not get cocky with the police nor start to accuse them of shit like some people say, do not cooperate either, just shut up and be well mannered, not just shut up and be a zombie, discuss nothing beyond lawyers, bathroom use, drinking water, good day, good afternoon, no bad faces etc... you are innocent anyways, whatever babylon thinks of the herb.

peace

 

[chuckyoufarley]

friend is also a moron for so you his grow (nothing persone against you)show no 1

 

[BurmeseDragon]

Dude, you didn't get a cut! They could of wasted their time implicating you and getting you to shut your mouth. Your emotionally involved, not criminally networked. Sorry about your friend and yep sounded like a big F you to the police. They care more about respect, than the actual legal practice.

 

[JJScorpio]

The poliec CANNOT get a warrant based ONLY on the allegations of a third party. No way. What are they going to tell the judge? " Your honor, we busted some guy and he says thaqt a pal of his is involved"? The judge would laugh at him. UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors are NOT probable cause.

Your not serious are you?

Most warrants are based on eyewitness statements. The cops take a statement and use that for the probable cause..... That's where the term "nark" comes from.....

 

[Julian]

Actually the term "narc" stems from the abbreviation of "Narcotics" officer...(As "tac" an abbreviation for "tactical" units....ie: Gang units....)

Your honor, we busted some guy and he says thaqt a pal of his is involved"? The judge would laugh at him. UNSUBSTANTIATED rumors are NOT probable cause.

That would be called a confession identifying a co-conspirator btw....

 

[g13]

Today, narc usually refers to a narcotics agent or police informant who provides information to the police about drug offenders. It is more often used to refer to undercover agents than police officers. Some drug offenders, once caught, turn into informants as part of an agreement with the police to avoid charges.

It is also sometimes used in popular culture to refer to someone who is against people consuming drugs of their own free will, or even to refer to someone who disapproves of other, non-drug related recreational behavior.

While most specifically dealing with people who inform on narcotics related activity, the term "narc" can also refer to anyone who informs, or is seen as likely to inform, an authority figure about illegal, immoral, or socially unacceptable activity.

Actually your both right..

 

[kunafoot]

If you and him were in contact during the couple of months befor hand I would say shut er down. Cops are not stupid I know for a fact, They do read the text, emails, and any messages left for that person. Depending on the secrecy of your operation I would consider taking a break no plant is worth jail. Also try moving to cali agd getting legit, it is possible im a small town southerner that could handle the laws back home now I medical and spoiled.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

how many plants? 5,10,50,100? I think that has a huge impact on what the popo does. They arent going to jump through a million hoops for 5 plants.

Say nothing if contacted by the police, and then hire a lawyer.

 

[randude101]

Off Topic alert:

When I was growing up, in the 70s, we used to call anyone a narc that didn't get high.

I remember the term, Park Narc. That would be somebody that a stoner would point to that was way too straight looking and dangerous to be near. Once declared a park narc you actually had to consume mj in front of some of us to lift the tag.

 

[Julian]

I was just saying how reference to informant(s) was started by kids (Jr. High/High School kids) ..(I grew up same time, remember....)

60's came from Narcotics officer..(by cops, for cops) picked up 70's-80's by young kids as someone who gave information..(and most of the time...they never did anyway...just another one of those kid things......)

For adults ....Narcotics officer/agent...Same as "fed(s)"...."tac units"...and so on...

Actually, I remember it basically became universal term for anyone who said anything, anytime, about anybody..

Doesn't mean it's right meaning though .....Narc referring to informant is something you hear from young kids, or people who don't know any better....("Snitch" has suited well for informants for the last 90 years.....and never any confusion )

All stupid anyway.....majority always draw their conclusions based on nothing anyway...because don't know better to know what something is, so.....

 

[randude101]

So how about an update??

Has Sargent Stadanko raided your crib?

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

I AM RIGHT!!

I AM RIGHT!!

Your not serious are you?

Most warrants are based on eyewitness statements. The cops take a statement and use that for the probable cause..... That's where the term "nark" comes from.....

Here is the definition of Probable Cause:
Probable cause exists when "the facts and circumstances within the arresting officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe that a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime." [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]United [COLOR=blue! important]States[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] v. Hoyos, 892 F.2d 1387, 1392 (9th Cir. 1989), cert. denied, 489 U.S. 825 (1990) (citing United States v. Greene, 783 F.2d 1364, 1367 (9th Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 476 U.S. 1185 (1986)).


Here is the lesser definition of ' reasonable grounds' to believe:

Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. ( from Wiki).

 

[Julian]

Your the guy who 2 weeks ago didn't know the difference between probable cause and reasonable articulable suspicion, and now your lecturing on it?...

Cops cannot assume that any story is true, and use it exclusively to obtain a warrant. There must be MORE than that.

Please review the actual law and case law next time before making such silly statements as you did.

You actually said " cops take a statement and use that for probable cause". What? What statement alone can provide the evidence needed to substantiate it?

You seem to be confusing "any story from anyone" with a suspect providing a written statement identifying co-conspirators and their role(s)....(which of course would include entire history, probably how they met, most likely how enterprise was begun/history of enterprise, what duties and tasks and input co-conspirators provided, and so on.....)

Here's one for fun:
Person A, who you have never even met....states they purchased drugs from you on 10 occasions......

Is that enough?

Trick question. Happens every day.

This is not an "advanced" topic......this is nothing special......this is nothing that hasn't gone over 100 times before, in 100 other threads......

I don't want to be a prick, insult, etc, but, many statements you've made....well.....I mean, not to be argumentative but there is a fine line between theory and how things are "supposed" to be, and reality....

 

[randude101]

It's a war man. I think war crimes are committed every day.