Freeman-on-the-land - Lawful not Legal

bentom187 · Apr 19, 2011

well its very crafty, how they hide it in plain sight and since they started along time ago there wasd not much of a chance that our parents had a clue either.

i know pointing these things out helps,but whats the game plan for you folks?
i plan to be under the raidar so to speak,not paranoid but im not gonna contribute to the system.

bentom187 · Apr 19, 2011

heres some tips on how to keep your mind safe and i recomend the book highly, its called "mind manipulation ancient and modern ninja techniques". by Dr.Haha Lung

all type-o's are my fault.

"cult" is what the big religion call the little religion,what the old religion calls the new. At one time or another,every new religion is accused of being a cult.Christianity was originally branded a cult by jewish authorities.
Modern sociologists and religious historians now avoid using of the term "cult" wich is enherantley elitist,insaulting,and implies that members of these groups are "mind-control victoms".
Political correctness aside,many of these members ARE mind control victoms!

For every sincere religious leader in history there have always been 9 morrally bankrupt
religious opportunists and extremists eager to pray onthe spiritual needy.
More than 3 million americans belong to more than 3 thousand seperate groups that qualify as "cults".These cults come in religious,political,and secular varieties-from breakaway religioussects and new age schools to motivational self-help organizations.
These cults are not limitted to any one age,gender,or race.
What qualifies each of these as a cult is the fact that no matter what their outward teachings and trappings appear to be their inner workings ,ruthless recruiting methods,and heavey-handded indoctrination techniques vary little.
Three ereas act as warnning signs that a group -religious or secular,no matter how sencere their belfeifs have crossed the line to becoming a cult 1.their attitude(mind set)
2.their recruiting tactics, and 3. their identity-stripping indoctrination methods.

CULT THINK
Cults and people trapped in them dont think like the rest of us.Their "cult think" allows them to pick and choose the parts of reality that suite them and that support their version of the universe,a universe easily identifiable since they are always at the center of it. other important aspects of "cult think" include:

CULTS CLAIM A MONOPOLY ON "THE TRUTH"
for cults,there is only one locked box of "the truth" to wich only they posses the key. sometime this key is a sacred book containing all the "truths" past and to come .Other times "the truth" comes in form of a all seeing leader with a special pipline to salvation.

CULT VIEWS ARE NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION
Cults are intolerant of any challenge to to their version of,and complete guardianship of "the truth" .Cults view the world in simplistic terms :black and white ,good or evil, (as in the cult is good the rest of the world is evil).

CULTS DONT TOLERATE DECENT
Cults discourage open discusion ,punishing any members who dare questions the cult doctrine and leaders,often assaulting and even killing outsiders who "blaspheme" against their leader,their sacred scriptures or the groups collective identity.

CULTS MOVE FROM LOVE TO MENACE
Cults message begins with love but always end with a threat.Cult members approach potential recruits and potential financial contributors with "the good news" ,and talk of "universal love and brotherhood ". but the moment you reject (openley question) their message their facade of "bliss" and "brotherhood" crumbles into fustration and their "message of love" quickley turns to veiled and not so veiled threats of what will happen to "non-beleivers" on the "day of judgment" when the cult takes power.

CULTS TEACH SEPERATNESS
Cults never tire of telling us and themselves how different they are from every such group that has come before.cult members also never tire from telling eachother how different they are from the "infedels"., often adopting outlandish dress and mannerisims to emphisize the point.

CULTS TEACH DEPENDANCE
ligitamate religious and self-help groups emphisize the empowerment of the individual.
Cults on the other hand make individuals tottally dependant on them.to accomplish this
cults demand the recruits hand over any personal money they might have .in return the cults will see to all their needs.Without money the individual depends on the cult for everything.
another way a cult takes away an individuals indipendence is to take control of more and more of the recruits time .This takes the form of holding the new member to a strict regimen of specific prayer times,bathing and eating rituals and manditory group studies,all designed to take away more of an individuals "free time" emphisis on the word free.

THE CULT AND LEADER COME FIRST
Cults only exist to promote themselves and their agendas. Thus the cult and its leaders are always more important than any single member .members are encouraged to sacrafice all their bothersome personal wants,friends,familiy,identity and wallet for the higher need of the cult and its leader.

CULTS CONTROL
Cults are compulsive about control, managing every aspect of the members life and are committed to wipping out the last vestige of individuality.
Members are given strict standards of dress deportment,and special greetings salutesand recognition phrases to parrot when meeting other cult members.
Cult members are forced to accept strict dietary rules.abrupt and drastic changes in diet literally change mind and body chemistry,affecting mood ,energey levels.This makes recruits less able to resist the cults brainwashing.
It is possable to find people with exremist views that qualify as "cult think" who actually belong to recognized religious and social organizations that are not cults per se. Mind slayers are quick to spot and exploit these fanatics.The more extreme,unreasonable,and unbending a persons veiws,the easier it is to manipulate that person by adding fule to the fire.

CULT INDOCTRINATION
Change of diet ,sleep deprivation physical stress,and phycological strain can all work together to put a person into a receptive hypnotic state.cult mind slayers use these tactics and more to break down recruits ,making them more suseptable to indoctrination.

indoctranation ploys
cult indoctranation stratagies physiological and phycological tactics.Physiological tactics break a person down physicly.this includes controling members through isolation making drastic changes in diet designed to induce phyical weakness and mandatory participation in various types of physical training (strenuous work,yoga like excersizes ,mandatory prayer postures), all designed to produce hyperventalation,dizziness ,and exhaustion.
After a hard days work lifting the cults purse ,exhausted -hence more receptive- members are forced to attend mandatory classes and or listen to long speaches by the cult leader.
physcilogical ploys attack the recruits former beleifes and self image.to accomplish this ,cult mind slayers cut recruits off from all outside sources of information,and use hypnosis and memory manipulation.in many ways ,cult indoctranation resembales induction into army bootcamp.
The major differences between boot camp training and cult indoctranation is that the aim of bootcamp is to challenge the individual to go beyond previous self-limitations ,to make the individual stronger more both physicly and mentally.Cults on the other hand ,aim to weaken recruits ,undermine any vestige of self worth and make recruits more suseptable to cult programming.

THE MANUFACTURE OF IDENTITY
"if you really want to change people change their appearance"- Margeret Thaler Singer

Once initiated into the cult ,recruits must disguard their own names and appearences and adopt a new identities provided by the cult .cult recruits must wear extremes of dress (distinctive hats,robes) meant to further isolate them from non members.

MEMORY MANIPULATION
Our memories are our identities, The further back out memories go the more identity we have and the more rooted we feel .Thats why cults go to great lengths to create fantastic cult histories stretching back into the distant past.
Ourmemories are not perfect records.they are instead reconstructions.Studies have shown that at least 25% of people are suseptable to having false memories implanted in their brains. In fact memorey researchers have succesfully implanted false memories in peoples minds ,making them "remeber" charicters that did not exist and events that never happened.
Try this experiment: Read the following list of words to a friend :sugar,honey,cake,candy,icing, as a long list of synonims of "sweet" you can thinkof. After waiting a few minutes ,read the list back to your friend asking them to identify wich of the words you said before
while reading back the list ,insert the word "sweet" .most people will say that "sweet" was one of the original words ,a false memory, because all the words being listed are associated with being sweet.
the easiest false memory to implant are at least mildley traumatic and are planted by a trusted or admirred figure(relitive,friend,or authoritive figure.since true memories are richer in detail than false memories ,mind slayer hypnotists must add vivid imagreyand sensory details to their suggestions espeacially to fit the victoms type (watcher,listener,toucher).
Cults can mmanipulate memorey to convince recruits they've experienced visions or they herd the voice of god.Somtimes cults dig up "memories" of a recruits "past lives" (wher coincidentally,they belonged to the same cult).Other times cults help recruits unlock "repressed memories" of spousal and or parental abuse (a tactic used to further alienate them from former friends and familiy.
cults go out of their way to repress pleasant memories recruits may cling to of their lives before the cult .cults also suppress real memories of cult contradictions and abuse.
some cults use a combanation of hypnotysim and drugs (narcohypnotisim) ,wich together are very effective for creating amneisia.

HIDDEN EGENDAS
the major difference between millitay and cult indoctranation is that the bootcamp agenda is overt and abrupt ,while cults are covert and subtle.
Changing a persons thinking works best when a person is unaware he is being manipulated .Thus cults cults keep recruits unaware of the cults hidden egenda until the recruit is fully ensnared.objects in motion tend to stay in motion ,once in a cult people tend to stay in.
cult memmbers programmed to to beleive that their leader and the cults teachings are infallable ,tend to blame therselves when somthing seems contradictory. They tell themselve that the contradictions must be a result of their misinterptratation of infallable
holly scripture.In for a penny in for a pound.cult members always find ways to rationalize away any contradictions in the cults message or in the leaders behavior.
This type of cult rationalization is the same kind shown by hypnotized subjects,such as the man who is given hypnotic suggestion to forget the number seven and must rationalize where he aquired the "extra" finger.Rather than openley question and leave when doubts arise ensnared cult members redouble their efforts to be good followers,even to the point of dying with their leader rather than surviving the and having to face the criticizim oif the outside world.Do the names Jonestown,guyana or heavens gate ring a bell?

CONCLUSIONS
if you think your in a cult your probabley are!
for some ,facing real world problems and making adult decisions everyday is too daunting .Its easy to give in and allow someone else do the worrying for a while.mind slayers know this and are all to eager to take our live off our hands offering a nice safe haven from the world - inside their cult.

WATCHING BIG BROTHER
By 1950 Hideyoshi Toyotonmi had succeeded where no other leader before him had ,uniting the island of japan .Hideyoshi's rise to power -from theif ,to spy for hire,to able general,and finally to dictator of japan -was due to his ninja trained insight into the human mind.
Hideyoshi's reign was so succesful cause he was a accomplished ninja mind slayer who masterfully used phycological plots and ploys to confuse potential enemeies ,and used propaganda to cower and control the masses.
hideoshi was not the first -and unfortunatley wont be the last -ruthless goverment leader to use mind manipulation to control citizens.
throughout history ,from the building of the tower of bable down to the babbling of present day politicians,goverment agencies and police have used mind slayer physcology ,propaganda and brain washing to control the very people they were intended to serve.

ScrubNinja · Apr 20, 2011

Hey Bentom, good posts and I agree with all points I read except "For every sincere religious leader in history there have always been 9 morrally bankrupt religious opportunists and extremists eager to pray onthe spiritual needy." but I'm an atheist.

I hate that society is self moderating now - many behave like mormons or something. I don't share any of this stuff with most of my family any more because I'm scared they'd (try to) have me committed. Any time you point out how they're getting ripped by the govt, they actually defend the system and that sickens me. They don't know jack about their system. Not even a white-bread conventional understanding of it; how acts of law come about, the constitution, etc etc.

Check out the Allegory of the Cave if you get a chance. It's only a short read but quite thought provoking. Keep on keepin' on.

bentom187 · Apr 20, 2011

good read. in buddhisim we see enlightenment in a similar manner,in one of my books it dlikens it to walking around with a dirty face,then when you find a mirror you can begin to wash it away.
its aim is to earase fundamental ignorance wich i can give you a example,if eveything is made of particles and are indeed the same,why to we see phenomina as being different this is our plight and is part of the human condition.

guest8905 · Apr 21, 2011

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bentom187 · Aug 2, 2011

bentom187 · Aug 3, 2011

im serious if they have no jurisdiction espeacially on sovereigns we gotta stand up.

RON PAUL 2012 :pirate:

AfroSheep · Aug 3, 2011

admiralty jurisdiction does not work on a freeman-on-the-land, because that jurisdiction only controls the laws on the ship not the land,

Learn your rights know the law and your set,

Cant be prosecuted for something that comes under admiralty jurisdiction if your living on land.

Peace.

Hydro-Soil · Aug 26, 2011

Americans have NO sovereignty.

The last straw was in the 70's when the courts were given the leeway to "Construct and Construe" as they saw fit.

The only way you'll have justice in the courts is if 1) Nobody gives a shit about you and yours or 2) You have political pull/influence or a crapload of dough and a good attorney. You do NOT live in a Constitutional America anymore.

Get out of populated areas and find honest locals to deal with when this insanity parade all collapses.

Study this stuff so you COMPREHEND sovereignty.... pass it on to your neighbors and children.

bentom187 · Jun 9, 2012

bump, this guy seems moderatley informed but the cops didnt look like they knew anything,id like to know more details on the video it seems like they were gonna take his kid.

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50yrs agothey seen this comming

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some reading,for you guys. http://douglassbartley.wordpress.com/

"How to determine the legitimacy of claimed federal power"

Applicable constitutional provisions:

Article 1, Section 8, CL. 18, provides “The Congress shall have Power . . . To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers . . . .”

Discussion:

There are three broad questions in cases on the legitimacy of federal power.

1. Is the power listed?

First, does the federal law or activity (such as executive branch administration or enforcement of law) fall within the government’s delegated powers? That is, does the government have the explicit power to involve itself in the matter? If not, the “law” or the activity is unconstitutional, the government loses, and the case is over.

2. Is the law implementing the power necessary?

Second, if the government has the explicit power, is the law or activity “necessary”, as the Constitution requires it be, for carrying out that power? If unnecessary, the law is unconstitutional, and again, the government loses.

In Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary, which was in use in America when the Constitution was written, “necessary” means “needful, indispensably requisite” and not merely “expedient.” And, as Mr. Jefferson said:

Mr. Jefferson: “[T]he Constitution allows only the means which are ‘necessary,’ not those which are merely ‘convenient’ for effecting the enumerated powers. If such a latitude of construction be allowed to this phrase as to give any non-enumerated power, it will go to everyone, for there is not one which ingenuity may not torture into a convenience in some instance or other, to some one of so long a list of enumerated powers. It would swallow up all the delegated powers, and reduce the whole to one power, as before observed. * * * Nothing but a necessity invincible by any other means, can justify such a prostitution of laws, which constitute the pillars of our whole system of jurisprudence.”[1]

3. Is the law proper?

If the law or activity stems from an explicit power and is necessary to carry out that power, is the law or activity “proper”, again as the Constitution requires? If “improper”, the government loses.

For example, if the “law” is within the enumerated powers of congress, but violates any other part of the Constitution, such as the prohibitions of Article I, Section 9, or any of the Bill of Rights, it would be “improper” and therefore unconstitutional.

armedoldhippy · Jun 10, 2012

good luck with the "lawful not legal", "freeman", & "strawman" theories in courts around here. every time someone has tried it, they end up in prison after trying to tell a judge that "you have no authority over me!". next sound you hear will be a cell door slamming shut behind you... :thank you:

for the giggles...and good luck dealing with your cellmate "Big Bubba" :laughing:

ForestBuds · Jun 10, 2012

The sovereign concept is very real. It's something that the forefather of this country knew very well. The British agreed to recognize American's sovereignty after Treaty of Paris in 1783. Something that is unprecedented and unheard of in World History even still today. It is a war for true freedom that endures still today. The United States of America has not fallen down so easily yet. Why? FREEDOM OF SPEECH & TEETH OF LIBERTY *GUNS*

THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA is not the same thing as Republic of California etc...

Strawman thing is indeed real. You can even find the definition of it in Black's law dictionary. Usually most laws, statue, penal codes violates common law and only applies to a PERSON.

If you know who you are and do not let others label you and know what legalese words means and how to reply to never waive any of your rights and stand strong then you have control of your destiny.

Your primary goal is to avoid court at all costs. Do not sign anything ever. Law = Contract. Study and know the difference between Law and Laws.

Here are some important words that I've learn through my research to become a freeman on the land. Sui Juris, Propria Persona, UCC 1-207 and UCC 1-308.

mowood3479 · Jun 10, 2012

good luck with all this.... but i fear if the stormtroopers come for you they wont be swayed by ur talk of forefathers, freedom and legal jurisdiction...

Hydro-Soil · Jun 10, 2012

ForestBuds said:
If you know who you are and do not let others label you and know what legalese words means and how to reply to never waive any of your rights and stand strong then you have control of your destiny.

And yes, stay out of court like you say. Because..... even if you know your shit, it can take years before you reach a point where it's acknowledged by your jailers.

Spending $30,000 and 6 years to prove you're right... is sometimes worse than spending 6 years in prison and $30,000 in fines. *shrug*

You are a prisoner of war. Period.
The corporate U.S. harvests your resources, one way or the other. They supply the jailers and perpetuate the means of imprisonment.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:

Harry Gypsna · Jun 10, 2012

This is no use at all.....thousands have tried it, and been jailed. It goes back to Montana Freemen. Menard et al are making lots of money giving talks and selling books about this.
We've got muppets here in the UK "DE-registering" their cars and trying to drive around with no insurance or number plates--I heard one prat saying he promised that if he injured someone with his car, he would do all he could to help them , like cutting their grass and cleaning their house---not much use when the injured person needs their home to be adapted and money for a carer---things which insurance is for. Not forgetting all the Freemen" who still want to draw their dole money and use the NHS....

ForestBuds · Jun 10, 2012

mowood3479 said:
good luck with all this.... but i fear if the stormtroopers come for you they wont be swayed by ur talk of forefathers, freedom and legal jurisdiction...

I do not fear them at all. I am already safe here in California. I cannot say the same for everywhere else. Stromtroopers certainly won't be swayed. I shall have to use my words to prove that I am operating under common law and do not consent to their colour of the law. I prefer to put fate in my own hands not my lawyer or judge.

Hydro-Soil said:
And yes, stay out of court like you say. Because..... even if you know your shit, it can take years before you reach a point where it's acknowledged by your jailers.

Spending $30,000 and 6 years to prove you're right... is sometimes worse than spending 6 years in prison and $30,000 in fines. *shrug*

You are a prisoner of war. Period.
The corporate U.S. harvests your resources, one way or the other. They supply the jailers and perpetuate the means of imprisonment.

Stay Safe!

Yes why? USA has been bankrupt since 1933. Everyone knows that it is completely wrong that a private corporate (FRB) is issuing our currency. The court conducts under UCC system. It is basically a bankrupt court where the prosecutors are international bankers masquerading the corporate name of the government that prosecutes their subjects under colour of the law to put people in prison for victimless crimes. You are consider to be a debtor with no rights when you agree/grant to their game/jurisdiction.

Yes.. I feel safe here in California however one has always expect the unexpected.

Harry Gypsna said:
This is no use at all.....thousands have tried it, and been jailed. It goes back to Montana Freemen. Menard et al are making lots of money giving talks and selling books about this.
We've got muppets here in the UK "DE-registering" their cars and trying to drive around with no insurance or number plates--I heard one prat saying he promised that if he injured someone with his car, he would do all he could to help them , like cutting their grass and cleaning their house---not much use when the injured person needs their home to be adapted and money for a carer---things which insurance is for. Not forgetting all the Freemen" who still want to draw their dole money and use the NHS....

Don't be so quick to stereotype freeman all like that. Just like everything in life. There are hardcore freeman and a casual freeman. We all know that "they" are trying to make cannabis extinct. Using cannabis is one of the first step to become a freeman/freewoman. I could go on for long time about the injustice against humanity from "they."

Again... you have massive advantage that will benefit you greatly if you know the system and the words therefore it is useful.

One very sad part is that most of us here on this forum do not live in both California and United States. It is a paradox because in England and Canada and Europe.. you can go to jail for saying something that is not politically correct. Most of United States.. the police will eagerly arrest you if you smoke... grow? Usually it's good bye even in several medical states. Instead of being a slave and to comply everything with the system and still get "butt-fucked". Study the system and use whatever resource you have to stand up for your unalienable right to pursuit happiness that is already granted to us from (creator, god, sovereignty) to grow under common and nature's law.

If you are really interested in knowing where to start. Just PM me. :tiphat:

bentom187 · Jun 10, 2012

i just want to be self sufficient,and debt free.
so my plan is to stay out of court at all costs, and stay off their radar.
if i ever have to go i want to know my rights and how to defend them in court,and examine arguments for or against the sensible freeman concept.

im not sure whats wrong with that but to each his own.

heres a project from people in NH,thats intresting,they are living by the constitution,issuing their own money and exersizing their rights to the fullest,it looks like a nice place to live too.
i just wish more states were like this.

http://freestateproject.org/

this is just one city and they are honest about it being a work in progress it still beats the crap out of my current residence.

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igrowone · Aug 1, 2020

a resurrection of a very old thread
but this story is a hell of an exclamation point to the topic

A tenant decapitated his landlord with a sword over a rent dispute, Hartford police say

By Ganesh Setty, CNN 14 hrs ago 0

A Connecticut man decapitated his landlord with a sword after being told he had to move out because of overdue rent, Hartford police say.

The Hartford Police Department responded to a 911 call Saturday morning from the landlord, Victor King, who said that his roommate Jerry Thompson, 42, had been "waving a sword at him in a threatening and terrorizing manner" amid a rent dispute, according to an arrest warrant filed by Hartford detectives.

King gave officers Thompson's cell phone number, according to the warrant. It did not say if police spoke to Thompson Saturday.

The next day, police received calls from a neighbor and then a separate friend of King's who were concerned about his safety, the warrant said.

Police entered the residence Sunday afternoon to find a grisly crime scene and King's body "covered by numerous articles of bedding" on the floor, according to the warrant.

A medical examiner investigator's preliminary observations suggested King's injuries were consistent with a large edged weapon, noting "lacerations to the landlord's right arm, upper chest and across the neck causing decapitation."

Surveillance video also caught a male exiting a white Jeep, carrying a "long skinny white object in his right hand," walking into the residence Saturday afternoon, and exiting about 30 minutes later with the same object, the warrant said.

When questioned by police, Thompson refused to speak but wrote on a sheet of paper that the "paper in glove compart in Jeep is all you need," the detectives said.

Once a search warrant was obtained, police found paperwork suggesting Thompson believed he was a "sovereign citizen," or an individual who believes he is not subject to any statutes and interprets the laws in their own way, the detectives wrote.

The amount of rent owed and Thompson's employment status were not known.

The victim's cousin Jim Banks told the Hartford Courant King "was one of the good guys."

"One that would never hurt a soul. One that would always reach out and help others. He was pleasant as can be. Always seemed to be happy. He was just a joy to be around."

King was an accomplished bridge player as well, Banks noted.

"He was very good at it. Very good at teaching others to play it. Just a kind and gentle person whose first love was bridge," he told the Courant.

Shortly after Thompson was formally charged with murder, detectives and members of the Hartford Police Dive Team recovered the suspected murder weapon about 10 miles away in the Farmington River, department spokesman Lt. Paul Cicero told CNN.

Cicero said King was Thompson's landlord. He said police found their rental agreement during the investigation.

At his arraignment Tuesday in Hartford Superior Court, Thompson refused to speak with a public defender so he was not assigned one, according to an audio recording of the proceeding.

He was detained in lieu of a $2 million bond before his next court appearance on August 18, according to the recording and state department of corrections.

rootfingers · Aug 2, 2020

Yikes, that free man is about to be incarcerated for a loooong time.

I appreciate the sentiment of these folks but in practice it's a pretty difficult thing to pull off. Unless of course you want to live in the middle of nowhere and interact with pretty much no one.

Gypsy Nirvana · Aug 2, 2020

Jeez - heavy story - thanks for the update igrowone - being a 'landlord' does have its pitfalls - and in this case proved fatal -

- sad story - RIP Victor King -

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