Thai

[theBeaver]

Here is a brief story of my three Thai ladies from Ace Seeds. I’m an indoor gardener, and I’ve always wanted an indoor raised bed. I’ve also wanted to try sativas. Long story short, I combined the two objectives.



Heer’s a shot of my indoor raised bed. Photo taken 2 Aug 2024. It’s a Grassroots 4’ by 4’ by 1.5’ filled with Coot’s mix. L have 700 watts of LED lights. Irrigation using a dual manifold BluSoak system. The plants on the left row are 2 Amnesia Haza and a Durban Pie tester. Center two are a Thai in back and Neville’s Haze in front. The row on the right are three more Thai. The Thai are all regular seeds and the other seeds were feminized. They were all transplanted 30 July out of 1 gal pots. Lights were changed to a 12/12 schedule.

Here’s a photo from 15 Sept. Lights were changed to a 10.5/13.5 schedule on 9 Aug. The Thai in the back of the center row turned out to be a male and I already pulled him at this point. The three Thai plants on the right stretched like crazy. I failed to keep up with them. The other plants were pretty much smothered.

And two photos from yesterday. 21 Nov 2024. Only the three Thai ladies remain. My 4x4 tent is 80” tall. I had to remove my carbon filter and move the exhaust fan to the top of the tent. I tried all kinds of ways to keep the 3 girls out of the lights!

And here’s a Close-up of one of the colas. It has been 16 weeks and 3 days since light depravation was begun. How long should I wait to harvest?

I made plenty of mistakes this grow, but I also learned a lot!

 

[PapaThai]

Looking taaasty!

How many days from seed were they when you transplanted them from pot into the bed?

You could quickly dry a little test bud and see (roughly) how you like the turn. To me they look like they could go about 3-4 more weeks. Maybe drop the light hours to 10/14 or even more to encourage them to finish.

 

[GainesvilleGreen]

Chiang Mai (wild sativa expression)
Seeded flower 1 month dry/cure
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Green pheno clones
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Pearl pheno (wild sativa expression) clones
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They are slow due to cold environment, but they can grow in temperate rainforests (pacific north west) with added light. Semi sheltered conditions

Hell yeah bro
Thai with a little bit of Phillpino ..roll us one, I'm on the way over..

 

[theBeaver]

Looking taaasty!

How many days from seed were they when you transplanted them from pot into the bed?

You could quickly dry a little test bud and see (roughly) how you like the turn. To me they look like they could go about 3-4 more weeks.

Thanks for the reply @PapaThai. They were a total of 36 days from seed to bed. 17 days in beer cups and 19 days in 1 gal pots.

I agree on needing a few more weeks. Most pistils are white and trichomes are clear, They are 16 1/2 weeks from the beginning of light deprivation and my next girls are raring to go! But, it is what it is.

edit: corrected old fart math

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Chopped just now, she was done done.

It’s my first time ever running a pure Thai like this Chiang Mai and it turned out to be a great ride. Beautiful phenos and this one was an exceptional one. Would definitely run again but do light dep even earlier as July (for my area 49N). For this time she was fully vegged and flower outdoors and finished under lights in a semi sheltered set up.

She stayed green all thru the flower cycle, 11-12 weeks from first pistils. Even at cold temperatures stayed green and with a avg 80%RH all thru the flower cycle she showed incredible resilience to any fungal infection. Not a single mold or rot on her.

Vibrant tropical smells on the flower, green mango, lemon, passion fruit, light solvent, some pine, fresh lemon grass. Fragrant. Bulky and sticky/resin flowers.

The hardy stalk also says much about this genotype, super strong base and thick. Made to withstand heavy winds.

 

[dubi]

Great indoor effort with your 3 Chiang Mais @theBeaver lovely voluminous foxtailed buds with pointy classic looking Thai calyxes full of resins. They may have been under a 16 week flowering photoperiod, but keep in mind that these tropical sativas take quite a while to reach sexual maturity from seed before starting to flower, which could have delayed the flowering of your Thais. They indeed need easily 1 month more.

What differences do you notice between the three plants in terms of aroma, yield, and resins ?

 

[dubi]

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Chopped just now, she was done done.

It’s my first time ever running a pure Thai like this Chiang Mai and it turned out to be a great ride. Beautiful phenos and this one was an exceptional one. Would definitely run again but do light dep even earlier as July (for my area 49N). For this time she was fully vegged and flower outdoors and finished under lights in a semi sheltered set up.

She stayed green all thru the flower cycle, 11-12 weeks from first pistils. Even at cold temperatures stayed green and with a avg 80%RH all thru the flower cycle she showed incredible resilience to any fungal infection. Not a single mold or rot on her.

Vibrant tropical smells on the flower, green mango, lemon, passion fruit, light solvent, some pine, fresh lemon grass. Fragrant. Bulky and sticky/resin flowers.

The hardy stalk also says much about this genotype, super strong base and thick. Made to withstand heavy winds.

Congrats @BC LONE WOLF she was at the perfect stage of maturity A beauty finished so well grown and defined with those silvery green colors on the flowers, thanks a lot for your controbutions!

 

[ilovegrowing]

Took a tester today. I think she is finished soon. What do you guys think?

 

[dubi]

Looks like she is done-finishing in a few days more @ilovegrowing very nice resins and green silverish look!

 

[theBeaver]

Great indoor effort with your 3 Chiang Mais @theBeaver lovely voluminous foxtailed buds with pointy classic looking Thai calyxes full of resins. They may have been under a 16 week flowering photoperiod, but keep in mind that these tropical sativas take quite a while to reach sexual maturity from seed before starting to flower, which could have delayed the flowering of your Thais. They indeed need easily 1 month more.

What differences do you notice between the three plants in terms of aroma, yield, and resins ?

Thanks for the reply @dubi! I know you recommend small pots for flowering sativa's indoors, but I wanted to try it in an indoor raised bed. Not a wise decision for my first grow of 100% sativa landrace plants. As for aroma, I have a pretty poor sense of smell. And is very hard to determine which buds are from which plants, due to my very creative training methods.

Here is a pic of the stocks of my three Thai ladies. The plant on the left is the smallest, while the one on the right is huge!

And here is another bud that I think is from the center plant. I looks to me to be a bit farther along than the buds from the right plant.

It's virtually impossible for me to tell which bud is from which plant, My attempt to train the growth on these ladies was a big FAIL!

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Looks awesome man, the stalk on that first one… she carrying some weight!

I’m so curious to see the entire canopy, is it like big ball of buds ??

 

[theBeaver]

Looks awesome man, the stalk on that first one… she carrying some weight!

I’m so curious to see the entire canopy, is it like big ball of buds ??

Here are a few picture of my canopy from above @BC LONE WOLF.

I have never experienced such stretch during flowering! I believe they would have easily reached 8 feet or more if grown outside. I wonder if this was due to having so much room for the roots...

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Here are a few picture of my canopy from above @BC LONE WOLF.
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I have never experienced such stretch during flowering! I believe they would have easily reached 8 feet or more if grown outside. I wonder if this was due to having so much room for the roots...

Thanks for sharing! It’s crazy how these Thais can just keep going. Some people theorize that 10-14 and even more so 9-15 helps stop stretching and round flowers instead of them branching out like that.

I also had a wild sativa expression and she would just bend and stretch in any direction.

The only risk is mold inside the huddle but honestly I ran my Chiang Mai with 80-90 %rh all thru flower… these things are impossible to mold from my experience.

 

[dubi]

Thanks for the reply @dubi! I know you recommend small pots for flowering sativa's indoors, but I wanted to try it in an indoor raised bed. Not a wise decision for my first grow of 100% sativa landrace plants. As for aroma, I have a pretty poor sense of smell. And is very hard to determine which buds are from which plants, due to my very creative training methods.

Here is a pic of the stocks of my three Thai ladies. The plant on the left is the smallest, while the one on the right is huge!
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And here is another bud that I think is from the center plant. I looks to me to be a bit farther along than the buds from the right plant.
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It's virtually impossible for me to tell which bud is from which plant, My attempt to train the growth on these ladies was a big FAIL!

Hi @theBeaver indeed the unlimited root space and nutrients induce tropical sativas indoors to keep stretching and reflowering in uniform conditions.

 

[ilovegrowing]

Will cut her in 3/4 days

 

[mexcurandero420]

Perhaps for some this could be an option with the stretch.

Those Thai varieties get really tall when grown outside.

 

[H e d g e]

I’m wondering if the wedge in the stem is to stress the plant into making male flowers, it would be more productive if growing for seed to have a fem only population and stress some to herm than growing regs.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Quick follow up on the clones, still alive and putting the fight, signs of reveg are now setting. No light supplement and no heating, exposure to high humidity and cold (49N). Sheltered only from direct rain contact. Photoperiod is less than 9 he of light at the moment. They still have 2 months of battle.

Dry flower from latest harvest Chiang Mai “green pheno”. Smokes very good pleasant upper, high vibration smoke, good for talking and getting shit done. Maybe a longer cure would develop a more cerebral, trippy effect.

When time comes cuts of the clones will take place in hope to keep working with this Thai pheno.

 

[Perdido]

Hey Wolfi
What you are trying there is so cool.
No matter the look of your buds in the end - i am so interested in the quality of the high you will get under these conditions.
I live at N48 ...

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

Hey Wolfi
What you are trying there is so cool.
No matter the look of your buds in the end - i am so interested in the quality of the high you will get under these conditions.
I live at N48 ...

Hey Perdido, I’m trying (forcing) to adapt these plants to the pacific north west. Takes multiple generations and lots of efforts to see any adaptations, but it keeps me busy during the winter and has been a solid method to test tropical genotypes to harsh wet and cold situations, true test for resistance and has eliminated any possibility of monoecious flower.

They don’t just need light to flower but a certain amount of radiant flux to form proper flowers.

So far what I have as results are; yes a pure Thai can be veg and flowered in 49N using various methods like fully vegging it outdoors up to a sexually mature state; then light dep august 1st or July 1st if possible… finish in October under a greenhouse… supplement light in November/December to properly finish the cultivar.

If a faster Sativa hybrid is an available, add it to the gene pool to keep knocking weeks off the flowering times. Where I see the most time spent for this Thai is the transition and onset of the flower hormones, taking a solid 4-5 weeks. If I manage to keep these alive under these conditions, they will start veg and hopefully I will around to light dep again 1 month earlier than this year.

Phenotypic plasticity applies for all cannabis plants and I particularly think the landraces are the fastest to adapt to environmental changes, even at such drastic levels (from the tropics to the north). They seem to go on a dormant cycle and the metabolism changes drastically, I speculate that they do a minimal amount of photosynthesis just to stay alive, until the amount of radiant flux is optimal to start the process over again.

I base all my assumptions on
SAR (Systematic Acquired Resistance)
ISR (Induced Systematic Resistance)
SAA (Systematic Acquired Acclimation)

Biotic and abiotic stress response and adaptability.

Very long and boring subject of plant biology but worth knowing in order to understand phenotypic plasticity.