Freedom 35

[nameless]

gilmour flat weeper/soaker hose, 25', ordered off amazon. pro tip, after a week tell them its defective and they will send u another hose no exchange or questions asked. youll want a free backup.
so a thing has been happening to me since i implemented this soaker hose setup. when i fill my water barrel up, if i go into the room before the piump runs the next day, the water line is down a good bit from the fill point. i guess gravity is pushing the water out the soaker hoses until it gets to a point its equal to the level of the soaker hose. so this is bad because the data ive generated about water consumption and requirements is skewed. and im watering too much probably.
so zack, avi, anyone else copying this method, please take note. the info i provided on water consumption was not accurate. i apologize for this.
as far as fixing this goes. im not sure what to do. i tried having the hose come up out of the barrel about 2 feet instead of just laying on the rim, that didnt really help. it slows how much it pushes out but also slowed the pump alot i was worried water wasnt pushing all the way through when the pump was running. ive been half assedly trying to tweak this for a couple weeks and all i can really seem to do is just not fill my barrel up all the way...

any thoughts, ideas or suggestions on this predicament would be much appreciated.

 

[dansbuds]

gilmour flat weeper/soaker hose, 25', ordered off amazon. pro tip, after a week tell them its defective and they will send u another hose no exchange or questions asked. youll want a free backup.
so a thing has been happening to me since i implemented this soaker hose setup. when i fill my water barrel up, if i go into the room before the piump runs the next day, the water line is down a good bit from the fill point. i guess gravity is pushing the water out the soaker hoses until it gets to a point its equal to the level of the soaker hose. so this is bad because the data ive generated about water consumption and requirements is skewed. and im watering too much probably.
so zack, avi, anyone else copying this method, please take note. the info i provided on water consumption was not accurate. i apologize for this.
as far as fixing this goes. im not sure what to do. i tried having the hose come up out of the barrel about 2 feet instead of just laying on the rim, that didnt really help. it slows how much it pushes out but also slowed the pump alot i was worried water wasnt pushing all the way through when the pump was running. ive been half assedly trying to tweak this for a couple weeks and all i can really seem to do is just not fill my barrel up all the way...

any thoughts, ideas or suggestions on this predicament would be much appreciated.

you need an anti siphon break in the hose right above the water line in the rez . its just an air inlet in the line so that when the pump shuts off the water doesn't keep siphoning out of the rez .

this how i have mine on my 1/2" feed lines .

i'm sure you could rig up some type of anti siphon on the hose ....... just make sure it sprays back into the rez when the pump kicks on .
Aspen built hers out of PVC ..... check on hers because it might suite you better with hose fittings .

 

[nameless]

thanks dan! i knew there was some kind of gadget i could employ. i remember seeing aspens pvc one now that you mention it. much obliged good sir

 

[gmanwho]

nameless. same idea dan has. i end up taking a 1/8th or so drill bit an drill a hole in the hose above the water line, but still in the rez. i drill the hole on a 45 deg angle so that the angle is towards the water in the rez. this way when the pump turns on the squirting water pisses back down to the water in the rez.

if the hole keeps clogging, or the drill hole went wrong, u can then take a airline barbed fitting an force it into the hole, attach airline tubing an run it where ever you comfortable with.

the hole on the 45 angle always works for me. just make sure the drilled hose debri is removed from the hole.

 

[nameless]

its a garden hose, a white one at that, thin walled. would that still work? even jamming some air tubing in there... how deep would i insert the tube? would it matter even? seems like the easiest fix until i redo the water setup with pvc. im tired of filling up half way every night.

 

[Avinash.miles]

im about to instal soaker hoses...
so this conversation is extremely helpful AND timely for me

something like this :https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brass-Hose...483453?hash=item518dfc74fd:g:zSkAAOxybetSAYMa
put inline in between the pump and soaker hose, right?

i may go from pump to manifold that splits to 2 hoses each one 25ft that covers about half the bed....
def i don't want siphoning and extra water going into the soil,

nameless; you seeing any bad effects from this accidentally overwatering?

 

[redlaser]

Orbit makes an anti siphon/ vacuum breaker to go on 3/4 inch lines, 4$. I've put in a hundred or more of them in residential drip irrigation setups without any issue over about ten years.

Edit: I have never had an issue with the orbit, even though it's not metal, at temps down to -20F.
However, for the same $ you can get a metal one like Avi posted, probably a better move.

I use the plastic because it is part of a kit that also includes a pressure regulator to keep pressure at 32 psi and has easily removed hookups for a homeowner to remove and store in winter

 

[20sackzack]

im about to instal soaker hoses...
so this conversation is extremely helpful AND timely for me

something like this :https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brass-Hose...483453?hash=item518dfc74fd:g:zSkAAOxybetSAYMa
put inline in between the pump and soaker hose, right?

i may go from pump to manifold that splits to 2 hoses each one 25ft that covers about half the bed....
def i don't want siphoning and extra water going into the soil,

nameless; you seeing any bad effects from this accidentally overwatering?

Don't those just prevent the flow from coming back to the source?

Maybe I'm confused but I don't see how that would solve this issue. Unless it causes enough back pressure to not allow any water through until the pump is on forcing it through.

I had this exact problem last year when I was using a submersible pump in a 50gal barrel to water my outdoor. Every time I left the pump in the water barrel after I was done it would be empty by the next time I checked it. My solution was to just take the pump out after every use.

Dan, does the anti siphon break reduce the amount of pressure by a lot? Just want to be sure the soaker hose will still function properly with that modification.

My other solution I considered was to get a garden hose timer and put it after the pump but before the soaker hose. I would set it to open maybe a minute before the pump timer comes on and to shut off just after the pump does. Would be more expensive and potential to go wrong though

 

[Avinash.miles]

Don't those just prevent the flow from coming back to the source?

Maybe I'm confused but I don't see how that would solve this issue. Unless it causes enough back pressure to not allow any water through until the pump is on forcing it through.

I had this exact problem last year when I was using a submersible pump in a 50gal barrel to water my outdoor. Every time I left the pump in the water barrel after I was done it would be empty by the next time I checked it. My solution was to just take the pump out after every use.

Dan, does the anti siphon break reduce the amount of pressure by a lot? Just want to be sure the soaker hose will still function properly with that modification.

My other solution I considered was to get a garden hose timer and put it after the pump but before the soaker hose. I would set it to open maybe a minute before the pump timer comes on and to shut off just after the pump does. Would be more expensive and potential to go wrong though

shit i duno
i thought since it says both "backflow preventer" and "anti siphon" it would do both.. i mean, like if you get a flow in either direction you should be able to stop that flow with an anti-vacuum valve, no matter the direction of the flow/siphon
i could be wrong...
shit lets clear this up before i build this shit out, im sure it will help nameless also


fucking siphon... almost as big of a culprit as that damn gravity

 

[20sackzack]

shit i duno
i thought since it says both "backflow preventer" and "anti siphon" it would do both.. i mean, like if you get a flow in either direction you should be able to stop that flow with an anti-vacuum valve, no matter the direction of the flow/siphon
i could be wrong...
shit lets clear this up before i build this shit out, im sure it will help nameless also


fucking siphon... almost as big of a culprit as that damn gravity

You could be totally right I guess I just don't have the best understanding of how the anti siphon/ vacuum breaker works.. I know it's main function is to prevent backflow but I don't understand how it prevents siphoning in the direction the water is meant to flow. From pump to soaker hose. Maybe someone can explain it for us

 

[Avinash.miles]

my understanding is that if you break the vacuum in the lines you will loose suction from siphon OR backflow depending on the gravity or siphon action that is causing your flow

further input from smarter heads requested

 

[nameless]

glad we are discussing this. we need some hydro helpers in here! im gonna drill a hole in my hose tonight and figure this shit out. i figure with the little metal fitting thing... if it was a one way only thing you could just buy adapters, turn it around then adapt it back. but that would require another leader hose to raise it above the water level in the rez. so thats 5 for each adapter and 5 for the gadget, plus 12 for a leaderhosen, so in an attempt to be lazy and save 30$ im gonna jam an airline a few inches in there and see how it do. will report back with my findings tomorrow am, with a photo update!

 

[Thirdtime]

You are probably over thinking it. A hole for siphon break is pretty common with aquarists and just about any way you do it will work. Just remember the hole or line needs to be sucking in air and when pump comes on will might have water coming out.

 

[redlaser]

The anti siphon/ backflow preventer i posted probably would not work under water but it might. It's usually used to prevent contamination of water sources. Like if someone had a proportioner after the faucet, it would prevent that from getting back into the water supply.

What Dan is describing will work for nameless, and probably Avi, if his pump inlet is under water. Just have to remember to put that siphon line in place so it points into the water tank.

Could always just disconnect the hose at the pump, taking hose out of tank and hooking it up at watering time. Kind of messes up automation but it's what I do currently. Only watering weekly here though

 

[nameless]

yeah third your probably right. and laser its a big pain for me to screw in hose fittings with one hand, my goal is to do as little as possible in the room. not true for tonight though, i have a lot of cleaning and organizing to do. and one hole to poke in a hose. giggity.

 

[Trich_Tyson]

Anti siphon is right. I learned that the hard way when I first set up a drip system. The whole Rez was on the floor at the end of the day.
I still see it when I fill my Rez.
I fill by putting 5 gall bucket in tub under faucet with pump in bucket. 25 foot hose into room.
First couple times. I would fill the Rez then pull the plug on the pump. Then when I got back to the room my Rez water level would drop a few inches. Thought I was tripping
After 3 times I realized it was siphoning back out. So now I pull the hose out of the Rez and pump out of water.. I’m sure the siphon action would work in reverse based on water level heights

It’s like siphoning a gas tank or fish tank.. you get the flow going. Then it keeps going if the hose is lower than water level.

Punch a hole in the line right above the highest water line in Rez. Stick a barbed fitting with short piece of drip tube or a barbed 90* fitting to aim it back down. Good to go. Like the other cats said. You will hear the suction break when the pump shuts off.

Or maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Anti siphon is right. I learned that the hard way when I first set up a drip system. The whole Rez was on the floor at the end of the day.
I still see it when I fill my Rez.
I fill by putting 5 gall bucket in tub under faucet with pump in bucket. 25 foot hose into room.
First couple times. I would fill the Rez then pull the plug on the pump. Then when I got back to the room my Rez water level would drop a few inches. Thought I was tripping
After 3 times I realized it was siphoning back out. So now I pull the hose out of the Rez and pump out of water.. I’m sure the siphon action would work in reverse based on water level heights

It’s like siphoning a gas tank or fish tank.. you get the flow going. Then it keeps going if the hose is lower than water level.

Punch a hole in the line right above the highest water line in Rez. Stick a barbed fitting with short piece of drip tube or a barbed 90* fitting to aim it back down. Good to go. Like the other cats said. You will hear the suction break when the pump shuts off.

Or maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation.

sounds like you hit the nail on the head
thanks everyone! i ordered 2 of the brass metal ones i linked to and a couple of the flat gilmour soakers as nameless suggested

 

[nameless]

nice! that is exactly what my plan is trich! im off to the dmv... too much work last night for taking pics... tonight i swear

 

[nameless]

bump

 

[nameless]

shameless double bump.

dont judge me. im feeling pretty ocd, packing my stuff for a 18 hr car trip with my parents. family wedding... ive got 15 75mg thc/ 40mg cbd coconut chocolates, a bottle of makers 46, three books and ten valiums. that should at least get me there lol... no weed though. or wax i guess. my dad is ok with what i do but would not want me bringing bud on the family road trip... cant blame him so i try to respect it. hes ok with the chocolates though... go figure. its only a week the chocolates should do fine.


if my pics would ever finish uploading........................