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This is a cross of the Laughing Buddha and the Ghost Train Haze #1. All buds you see on the pic belong to one plant and the weird thing is, that they look different, like from different plants, but I swear this is one plant. The round bud to the left got narrow leaves and looks like the GTH#1 and the big cola to the right has broader leaves and looks more like the Laughing Buddha. It seems the plant can't decide which phenotype it wants to be.

Laughing Ghost
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Main cola
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short before harvest
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coconutcurry said:
The F2 of the GTH is as potent than the original. Flavor is also similiar. I consider the GTH #1 as a semi-stabilized 60/40 hybrid - in contrast to the Laughing Buddha, where every plant is completely different. Of cause the GTH produces no 33% THC, at least not at home under normal circumstances. When you look at sites like leafly or askgrowers you will find THC values of 18 - 20% for the GTH and I consider this as realistic. The F2 produces reliable good weed, avarage yield and I like that the flavor of the GTH is so stable. Many weed plants lose their flavor or change it in a negative way. I keep my weed in the freezer and I keep my GTH for up to two years without any loss, what is for example not possible with the Laughing Buddha. After nine month in the freezer the flavor lost quality. At least the F1 of the LB did so.

This was another plant of the GTH F2s in the same grow:

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By the way...Today, the Laughing Buddha is only available as feminized seeds. The plants above are breeded from regulars I bought 2011 in Amsterdam. It was one of the last packages regulars LB at all Barney's sold at that time. The feminized LB today is a 70/30 or 80/20 hybrid. The old regulars are 100% sativa. The Acapulco was feminized. This was already 2011 not available anymore as regulars.
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Thanks for the thorough write up!
I'm under the impression that the plant can only produce 30%max of all cannabinoids and while the vast majority of today's weed is bred towards thc I'm doubtful much if any hits the numbers the labs put out. I read somewhere that in.... Cali?(not sure exactly where) they allow for a +/- 10 - 15% variance in the results - now this is the internet so who knows for sure but that's a huge variance imo.
I tried a vape of gth and went back for their stock over three days. I would have bought it all right then but recreational limits came into play.
I wasn't expecting this quality of effect. At first I didn't think it built tolerance fast but once you do it's strong and stays awhile. Other than that it's a damn fine herb.
I came across seeds awhile back and should have grabbed them but wasn't aware of what was possible.
Have you seen anything pop out of the f2s that you didn't see in your seed pack?
 
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coconutcurry said:
This is a cross of the Laughing Buddha and the Ghost Train Haze #1. All buds you see on the pic belong to one plant and the weird thing is, that they look different, like from different plants, but I swear this is one plant. The round bud to the left got narrow leaves and looks like the GTH#1 and the big cola to the right has broader leaves and looks more like the Laughing Buddha. It seems the plant can't decide which phenotype it wants to be.

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Main cola
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short before harvest
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Maybe reverse the different looking parts and cross those?
I'm thinking along the lines that the same plant will have very slightly different genetics at different lengths. For example, the branch on node three vs a branch on node 7.
I heard this on one of the potcasts (I'm pretty sure) but my memory isn't great so I could be mixing things up...
 
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EnjoyingLife said:
Maybe reverse the different looking parts and cross those?
I'm thinking along the lines that the same plant will have very slightly different genetics at different lengths. For example, the branch on node three vs a branch on node 7.
I heard this on one of the potcasts (I'm pretty sure) but my memory isn't great so I could be mixing things up...
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The big cola to the right has no narrow leaves like the round left one, also not in lower parts. Buds can be different, but I never saw so massive differences like here. I have no explanation, I just wonder.

Concerning reversing: All in all I have LB crosses with five different GTH plants, so there is still much to do and I will see how the next plants will look like. For sure I will grow this cross again. I had no luck. I sprouted 8 seeds, but ended up with seven males und just one female plant.
 
coconutcurry

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EnjoyingLife said:
Thanks for the thorough write up!
I'm under the impression that the plant can only produce 30%max of all cannabinoids and while the vast majority of today's weed is bred towards thc I'm doubtful much if any hits the numbers the labs put out. I read somewhere that in.... Cali?(not sure exactly where) they allow for a +/- 10 - 15% variance in the results - now this is the internet so who knows for sure but that's a huge variance imo.
I tried a vape of gth and went back for their stock over three days. I would have bought it all right then but recreational limits came into play.
I wasn't expecting this quality of effect. At first I didn't think it built tolerance fast but once you do it's strong and stays awhile. Other than that it's a damn fine herb.
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The THC values the breedes tell you in their ads, are as reliable as the promises of the car builders concerning their gasoline consumption and as the same time the THC values tell you about the quality of the weed as much, as megapixel numbers of cameras tell you about the quality of the photos you take. Even if there are high THC values does this not mean necessarily that the weed is good. The quality depends mainly on the cannabinoid mix and I think this is not measable in numbers. Many GTH phenotypes got a very high quality concerning that point.

EnjoyingLife said:
I came across seeds awhile back and should have grabbed them but wasn't aware of what was possible.
Have you seen anything pop out of the f2s that you didn't see in your seed pack?
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I have grown the GTH F2 two times and the plants are rather similiar like the F1, but of cause no exact copies. It is visable, that the different phenotypes of the F1 are now mixed in the F2. There were for example some phenotypes in the F1 generation which were low yielders, had very small and extremly resinous buds and some other which were less resinous, but high yielder and the F2 is a mix of both, which is no disadvantage. Flavor is similiar and as intensive and stable like the original.

What was bad, was the seed quaility I bought. I bought my seeds 2019 at Amsterdam Seed Center and some seeds looked pale, didn't germinate, two were hermaphrodites. Out of 12 seeds I got only 7 healthy plants (5 ladies & 2 males) I could use. My own seeds now are for sure better than what I bought. I know I'm not the only one. There are other reports on the web about that problem, but I guess there are different charges which are sold. When you buy your seeds directly in a shop, have a close look on the seedpack and check if there are pale seeds inside. I wouldn't buy such a pack a second time and I also guess some vendors have also the good seeds in the drawer when you ask them.

Generally I like the GTH very much and use it for hobby breeding. I have crosses of the GTH F1with the Kali Mist and crosses with GTH F2 and an own polyhybrid and the Laughing Buddha cross. I love all.
 
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coconutcurry said:
The big cola to the right has no narrow leaves like the round left one, also not in lower parts. Buds can be different, but I never saw so massive differences like here. I have no explanation, I just wonder.

Concerning reversing: All in all I have LB crosses with five different GTH plants, so there is still much to do and I will see how the next plants will look like. For sure I will grow this cross again. I had no luck. I sprouted 8 seeds, but ended up with seven males und just one female plant.
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Maybe there is something to "different genes in different parts of the plant"...
I wish I remembered where I read\heard it.
I haven't been growing long enough to say anything with any certainty.

I think males help diversify the line but I'm a total noob. I'm pretty sure the more plants the better diversity wise but I'm not sure if one gender will do a better job over another.

Do you still have GTH pure? I think so but don't have the time to go read the last post rn.
Do you prefer LB or GTH?
 
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coconutcurry said:
The THC values the breedes tell you in their ads, are as reliable as the promises of the car builders concerning their gasoline consumption and as the same time the THC values tell you about the quality of the weed as much, as megapixel numbers of cameras tell you about the quality of the photos you take. Even if there are high THC values does this not mean necessarily that the weed is good. The quality depends mainly on the cannabinoid mix and I think this is not measable in numbers. Many GTH phenotypes got a very high quality concerning that point.


I have grown the GTH F2 two times and the plants are rather similiar like the F1, but of cause no exact copies. It is visable, that the different phenotypes of the F1 are now mixed in the F2. There were for example some phenotypes in the F1 generation which were low yielders, had very small and extremly resinous buds and some other which were less resinous, but high yielder and the F2 is a mix of both, which is no disadvantage. Flavor is similiar and as intensive and stable like the original.

What was bad, was the seed quaility I bought. I bought my seeds 2019 at Amsterdam Seed Center and some seeds looked pale, didn't germinate, two were hermaphrodites. Out of 12 seeds I got only 7 healthy plants (5 ladies & 2 males) I could use. My own seeds now are for sure better than what I bought. I know I'm not the only one. There are other reports on the web about that problem, but I guess there are different charges which are sold. When you buy your seeds directly in a shop, have a close look on the seedpack and check if there are pale seeds inside. I wouldn't buy such a pack a second time and I also guess some vendors have also the good seeds in the drawer when you ask them.

Generally I like the GTH very much and use it for hobby breeding. I have crosses of the GTH F1with the Kali Mist and crosses with GTH F2 and an own polyhybrid and the Laughing Buddha cross. I love all.
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I look for terps and the cannabinoid profile as I'm looking more for a spectrum vs thc alone and to my understanding terps drive the effects.
Pinene, limonene and terpeneoline seem to work best for my system. I know there are a couple orhers but they arent coming to mind.

Have you had any of your plants tested for cannabinoid and terpenes?

Have you tried the the smaller more resinous buds? Do you prefer them to the larger ones? What criteria have you set for selection?

Good to know about checking for pale seeds etc in a seed pack but I'm not sure I can do that in the US. The only seed shop I know of that you can visit is across the continent for me. But I'll keep it in mind if I ever am in the position to check the seeds out before purchase.
Im glad you're having better luck with your f2s!

What year is your kali mist from? How is the gthxkali? Which was mom? Dad?

What is this polyhybrid gene wise?
 
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