FoxFarm PH Problems

[TheMintMan]

greenhead: You are incorrect sir. Either way, by the end of flowering I end up using almost twice the highest recommended dosage on the bottle itself. Plus a few additives (not FF).

Point being...dosage depends on size/strain of plant, not a general chart.

EDIT: This is what I'm looking at. http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf

 

[greenhead]

greenhead: You are incorrect sir.

I am not wrong for stating that you are feeding less than what their chart says. So it can hardly be said that you are overdosing, since you are using less than what they recommend.

And of course charts are just a guideline, growers should feed according to what their plants say that they need.

 

[TheMintMan]

Click on the link I posted. It is a direct link to the foxfarm site...with a pdf of their current feeding chart...

You're still wrong. :smile:

 

[greenhead]

Click on the link I posted. It is a direct link to the foxfarm site...with a pdf of their current feeding chart...

You're still wrong.

You must be blind, and wrong.

The chart states 2 teaspoons of Tiger Bloom and 1 Tablespoon of Big Bloom.

You know what, I read your tbsp as a teaspoon. On the fox farm chart teaspoon is lowercase and tablespoon is uppercase. If you are feeding 1 TABLESPOON of tiger bloom and 3-4 TABLESPOONS of BigBloom then yes I will agree that you are overdosing. And in that case, I was wrong, and I read your abbreviation of Tablespoon wrong. Overdosing is not necessarily a bad thing, I've Od'ed my plants with fox farms nutes before also, without any negative side effects.

 

[TheMintMan]

You must be blind, and wrong.

The chart states 2 teaspoons of Tiger Bloom and 1 Tablespoon of Big Bloom.

Riiiiiiiiight...LOL...and what did I say I feed my plants?

And I actually OVERdose them...1tbsp TB and about 3-4tbsp BB...

On what planet is 1TBSP less than 2TSP? Not on the planet Earth brother.

 

[greenhead]

On what planet is 1TBSP less than 2TSP? Not on the planet Earth brother.

I was wrong for reading your abbreviations in the wrong way, and I think that you were wrong for writing them in a poor way.

 

[TheMintMan]

A poor way? Seemed pretty simple to understand to me. What, because I didn't capitalize correctly? This isn't english class...all the text has to be is legible.

Let it go b...let it go.

 

[greenhead]

A poor way? Seemed pretty simple to understand to me. What, because I didn't capitalize correctly? This isn't english class...all the text has to be is legible.

Let it go b...let it go.

I'm not a spelling nazi, I could care less how people spell on the internet, I'm just pointing out that it's pretty easy to get Teaspoon and Tablespoon mixed up, especially when people keep using different abbreviations for the two terms when people are talking about exact nutrient dosages.

According to fox farms:

TEASPOON = tsp
TABLESPOON = Tbl

And yeah, we can let it go, sure. There's probably better things to do than argue about teaspoons and tablespoons on the internet.

 

[TheMintMan]

I'm not a spelling nazi, I could care less how people spell on the internet, I'm just pointing out that it's pretty easy to get Teaspoon and Tablespoon mixed up, especially when people keep using different abbreviations for the two terms when people are talking about exact nutrient dosages.

According to fox farms:

TEASPOON = tsp
TABLESPOON = Tbl

And yeah, we can let it go, sure. There's probably better things to do than argue about teaspoons and tablespoons on the internet.

That's foxfarm's mistake...because according to the rest of the civilized world tablespoon is abbreviated T. or tbsp. Either Tbl or Tbsp would seem pretty easy to distinguish from the abbreviation for a teaspoon though, since teaspoon doesn't have a B in it. Again, if it's legible it's legible. Read things a bit slower, and more thoroughly, and there is no confusion.

 

[blakhash]

My plants are still tripping and there is no nutrient problem they have not even been fed. stop arguing like school children. it was an honest mistake.

 

[TheMintMan]

My plants are still tripping and there is no nutrient problem they have not even been fed. stop arguing like school children. it was an honest mistake.

I think we were arguing like adults...who believe it or not, probably argue on a more regular basis than children.

But I digress...Keep things steady. It sounds like you've been all over the place with nutes, pH, RO water. Just use tap water and let it sit out for 24 hours to let the chlorine evap...then add your nutes and give it another 24 for the pH to rise a bit...water...rinse and repeat. Make sure things are the same for a few waterings before you decide it's not working and change things up again.

Also, you say "there is no nutrient problem they have not even been fed." Perhaps that is part of the problem. Whenever you flush a plant with such nutrient needs as an MJ plant mid-flowering...you should always finish off your plain-water flush with a light nutrient solution.

Your plants may not ever completely recover from their current ugliness, just accept that. But you can certainly make it to harvest still with some decent buds.

Good luck,
Mint.

 

[blakhash]

i added half dose of big bloom to help leech what ever salts were left, i gave them a half dose of nutrients and the plants shriveled harder. i want to finish this grow off with some decent bud i want the leaves to stop getting worse.

 

[B.C.]

What did ya give em besides the BB?

 

[Weedman Herb]

IMO the best way to eliminate FoxFarm problems is to stop buying FoxFarm soil and nutes.

I'm with slappy on this one ...

 

[B.C.]

Yeah but you hate everything Herb, yer like the Mikey of the canna world. lol BC

 

[Thundurkel]

Did a search for Fox farm ph problems could not find anything.

If anyone had a link to fox farm ph problems please post/link

I am currently using the Fox Farm trio line up PLUS the trio supplements/additives
Strains- White Widow, Hawaiian snow, super silver haze, lemon skunk, mazar-i-sharif, and random bag seed.

i started noticing a bunch of different nutrient problems manganese lockout, phosphorous lock out, and a few others.

I use R/o water that has a perfect 7.5 PH. i added all the nutrients according to the feeding schedule week 4 at half strength. the nutrients dropped the ph below 5.0 (i say below 5.0 because my ph tester stops at 5.0.

My question is-
what is the best way to balance the PH back up to 6.5 for soil.
would added PH up to balance it to 6.5 stabilize it or would it drop right back down.

I ended up with the same problems using the FF Trio and the way I fixed it was I switched over to GH Flora Nova Grow and Bloom and they last SO much longer !! It only takes 1tsp per gal for either one in veg or bloom and I'm back on track with a beautiful green canopy I'm going to try out a side by side test when I get my ph kit cuz that was a huge part of my problem too

 

[TheMintMan]

My plants are still tripping and there is no nutrient problem they have not even been fed. stop arguing like school children. it was an honest mistake.

How far into flowering are you now?

And reading through the thread again I noticed your pot size vs. plant size. I tend to agree with B.C. when he said that could be part of your problem right there. Being rootbound can cause all sorts of weird problems just as pH issues. Leaves aren't only going to get worse as you are already past the halfway point (If I'm not mistaken)...just keep an eye on the buds. I've seen plenty of grows where the leaves looked completely fried at the end but the buds were still primo.

 

[Thundurkel]

Yea I agree with TheMintMan about just keeping an eye on the buds, cuz when this happened to me it was just the leaves that got torched and luckily the buds survived

 

[blakhash]

BC- i fed them 1/2 tsp of tiger bloom, 1 tbls of big bloom, and 1 tsp of grow big.

The Mint Man- i believe they are at week 6, most of them are coming down in the next few weeks except the super silver haze (hes gonna be in there fore at least 12 total weeks)

Thundurkel - i have used Flora Nova and LOVED IT! my plants were lush green and even the switch to flowering the plants were budding beautifully. unfortunately i gave both of my flora novas to my buddy because i wanted to try something more organic. now i know fox farm is not organic and its the biggest piece of shit nutrient out there.

my next grow if i ever do, i am going to go all organic or i am going to get my flora nova back and conjoin that with the big bloom poop liquid.

for the time being i am going to finish up this grow feeding the plants at half strength and hope i can get some decent bud off the fuckers.

Question- Do you Flush the plants when the tricome changes to the desired color? or do you flush and then the color changes and then you chop?

 

[Thundurkel]

Thundurkel - i have used Flora Nova and LOVED IT! my plants were lush green and even the switch to flowering the plants were budding beautifully. unfortunately i gave both of my flora novas to my buddy because i wanted to try something more organic. now i know fox farm is not organic and its the biggest piece of shit nutrient out there.

my next grow if i ever do, i am going to go all organic or i am going to get my flora nova back and conjoin that with the big bloom poop liquid.

I feel you bro!!! Thats exactly what happened to me!!! I was using DrBud's mix of Shultz Fish Emulsion and Superthrive and my buddy gave me some Flora Nova with a mom in coco and I used it on a coco grow and it just blew me away but I too thought Fox Farm was more organic and bought it and a bag of Ocean Forest when I should've got the Flora Nova and Coco instead and now I'm 6months and a bunch of problems later and I just now got the bag of coco and have switched to Flora Nova... Humboldt Nutrients has a new one called Oneness that's pretty much their version of FN but it's derived from all natural sources and biodegradable...