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[LIFEISGOOD]

This might also be a great forum for peer review or rather, preview. Maybe someone could post a condensed how-to thread on proper technique in real world conditions for a side by side or any home based experiment. Advice could also be given on setting up new home based experiment.

If they are done correctly on all fronts and meet the icmag peer review they could get a sticky.... or a cardboard cookie. I realize the strife this could cause. Threads that don't make it could just go to their appropriate forum for discussion rather than a sub forum here.

Just a thought.

 

[EddieShoestring]

i think that it is a great idea as well-and look foward to some interesting reading, and perhaps the occasional contribution.
Depending on how things develop-it might be good to have an editor/editors to knock things into shape-take out the noise and the bullshit.
yo

eddieS

 

[Tonka]

Can't promise I'll be able to contribute right away, but I'm here to learn and take my knowledge to the next level.

Thank you for creating this forum.

 

[pipeline]

Excellent addition to the International Cannagraphic Forums! Thanks guys!

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Well, what do we have here? Looks like we've got some readahs. Books ain't never taught me nothing!

 

[hiker]

Just started reading this forum the other day. Thanks for putting it up here, I know that I will learn much, I just hope that maybe I can also contribute a little.

 

[IntelliGeneS]

Great idea!

 

[Calliandra]

Ah this looks very nice, I look forward to delving in!

 

[Microbeman]

to discuss and promote advanced cannabis botany and advanced growing techniques
please try to keep discussions on a civil basis and backed up by either research or actual evidence you have gathered
from growing
not old wifes tales and urban legends theres enough of that about already

OP

Too bad the forum did not turn out as originally planned. Spurr and Mr Fista are rolling around in their pseudograves seeing all the pseudoscience from pseudoteachers which filled up the forum. Life, I guess. (my rant for 2017]

 

[farmerlion]

Old Pink,
I can't thank you enough for this thread/forum. I have been studying microbial and fungal behaviors for years now. For the last six years I have been testing and refining them for cannabis mainly in my greenhouse and one season indoors.
. Everything I will be presenting comes from individuals with doctorates in botany and decades of research that I have carefully studied and taken notes on. I was looking for a place to share this information and back it up with a full season consisting of ( cleaning/preperation, why what I'm teaching you is not only the most advanced organics environmental system. It's also the most efficient, renewing, cost effective and quality/quantity producing available, period.
I will cover truths about soil amendments, teas, herbicides, pesticides, flushing topping and super cropping.)

I have my work of the most important reproduction of genetics and the making of a hybrid cross that I have done to date. I will document the donor selections made and why. For the reproductions over the next two seasons, they will be open pollinations. Since the genetics being crossed are the same being reproduced. A parental reversal over the next two seasons will take place at the same time.

The genetics themselves are very refined and stable,, one being an IBL over several generations.. i will cover water source,, watering,, water retention and transpiration. Fungus,, bacteria, microbial colonies, worms and exudates. How they all work together and what things stunt/retard their growth and activity. I will cover the do's and dont's of defoliation, when and why.

Flowering onset times, geographical region acclimating and flowering finish times.. Finally harvest,, drying/curing, tinctures, butter, hash making and THC/CBD ratios percentages in edibles and how they're computed. This should cover most of your growing cannabis needs. There's many more intricate details that I will cover, but I don't need to list them now.

I have some donations to drop off tomorrow. As some of you may know, I do a full three month cure on all cannabis that I grow before it gets donated. Through mine and others research , I know that I am making the highest quality cannabis humanly possible with the knowledge available to me that has been tested.

I hope all of you will trust what I'm sharing with you. I'm here to teach you simple truths, not defend decades of research to stoner science and myths. Several topics I have done side by side grows on and shared here on icmag in other forums. Parental donors, reversals of parental donors and topping/cropping.

I will start compiling information tomorrow and try to have it in a chronological format for the sequence of soils, germination through harvest.
peace farmerlion
MedDakotabis

 

[CosmicGiggle]

A noble endeavor farmerlion, I'll be following along!

 

[farmerlion]

A noble endeavor farmerlion, I'll be following along!

I noticed that this thread was started in November of 2010 and no useful information has been added. One nice thing about that is I don't have to dispel a bunch of myths already posted.
It's much easier to build a new foundation than it is to remove an old poorly built one.
It will take at minimum two seasons for people to fully grasp what I'm sharing. After the first season of having their best grows ever. Hmm? I'm going to go back and study everything farmerlion posted here and really see this through. Then we will be making a difference in the cannabis community, and truly helping people help themselves and others.
I have shared most of this information on another private forum. Where many of the world's top growers are gathered sharing information. I have it over several threads. This will be the first time I have shared it in one spot and accompanied the information with a reference grow tutorial. I wish it were closer to spring so this would flow more smoothly, but it is what it is.

Awkwardly enough, I will be running among the highest overall percentages of sativa genetics yet in my greenhouse. I'm at 49 to 49.5 degrees north, very close to the Canadian border. Yes many many growers around the world are further north than I am. Growing hybrids that are mostly Indica and or auto flowering genetics. I will be following the example that Mario of Delicatessen has set and has been setting for years now. I will be working with a Mexican strain brought to Hawaii and inbreed for many generations making selections toward POI . The others will be mostly Thai genetics that have had some selections started already. ​​​I will get into the exact genetics break down at a later time​.
peace farmerlion

 

[farmerlion]

Fungal Repositories

Hello all,
I'm going to start by giving credit to the Doctors and the books, videos and decades of scientific research completed by these amazing people. Their passion was not and is not cannabis. Soil microbial life doesn't know to what plant the roots belong to. They develop a symbiotic relationship with each individual root system.
Each plant communicates with the soils microbial colonies, be it fungus or bacteria.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THESE TWO SIMPLE TRUTHS BEFORE YOU READ ANY FURTHER.

1. Your root system and the microbial colonies in your soil know more about your plants needs than you or I ever will.


2. The cannabis seed you plant into the soil knows more about how to grow cannabis than you or I ever will.

Read 1 & 2 again and let that sink in. This simple acceptance is absolutely crucial to everything else I'm about to share with you.

Dr. Maynard Murray, 40+ years research, Fertility from the Ocean Deep
Dr. Elaine Ingham, 40+ years research, Soil Food Web School
Dr. Allison Justice 20+ years research
Dr. Faust at Bioag 30+ years research
Dr. James White 30+ years Rutgers University

Farmerlion 15 years growing, 10 years self studying Micro Biology and it's relationship with cannabis in particular. 6 years of acclimating equatorial genetics to my geographical region. I have studied about 60 strains/hybrids and taken notes on flowering onset times using natural light cycle for my geographical region in my greenhouse.

My mission and goals.
My goal in life is not to be employed. I was born to be deployed.
Deployment = the use and service of your natural gifts to the world.
Add value to people
Be unique, new techniques, be different

If you have a difference in opinion or experience with a certain technique. Please consider your individual growing environmental conditions and triggers. I will cover (topping/lollipopping) there is certainly a case to be made under certain circumstances for each. My preference and opinion is this, and I stand by it full heartedly.
(Nobody ever goes back to the doctor for a second circumcision. It won't make your penis bigger).

Peace farmerlion

 

[farmerlion]

Hello my ICMAG family,
I hope you will take the time as you have it to watch all five of the Dr.Elaine Ingham videos on YouTube. She has about 15 other videos from her soil food web seminars also shared there.

I'm going to start with notes from Dr. Allison Justice. Since I ended my last post with a somewhat controversial technique. I will start with Allison's research regarding this topic.
(Defoliating)- thinning leaves, topping, lollipopping.

Lollipopping is almost a 100% an indoor growers technique .

Topping is used indoors and in a greenhouse. There is circumstances of security where topping is used outdoors for concealment in yards below fencing. I won't cover those individual needs as fence heights and soil conditions have a great effect on the age/maturity of the plant at different height stages.
Please note that Defoliation during pre flowering and the first weeks of flowering onset causes hormonal imbalances and growth stunting .

Defoliation increases the salinity of the plant in PPM parts per million. Not the soil or grow medium PPM (DWC, Hydroponics included).

Plants do not produce more foliage than they need for a given light source including ventilation and humidity controls.
(Trimming a bunch of leaf bracts off your plants, because you think you're getting more light to bud sites and gaining overall flower production).
Wasn't proven in any studies to being effective or factual.

When defoliating (lollipopping, topping) reduce the overall feeding PPM for best plant growth. At week four of vegetative growth (lollipopping, topping) didn't show any loss to yields on initial studies. There was positive results but a loss in humidity control.
​​​​​​ Along these lines of indoor DWC, Hydroponics NPK needs.
Nitrogen- 50 to 200 PPM MAX 150 is ideal PPM.
Pottasium- 5 to 80 PPM 0 to 5 PPM is low, 15 PPM each watering is ideal.
Phosphorus- 85% being washed out, leeching. 100 PPM MAX
Manufacturers recommended application totals is three times higher on average than needed causing lockup.

Cal/Mag - Epsom Salts , one or the other is needed most often but not both.
(Tomatoes and Poinsettias) have very similar needs to cannabis.

LIGHTING and return on investment (ROI)
LED return on investment was much higher than MH or HPS, Mercury Vapor.
For best LED lighting results, humidity controls and room temperatures need to be increased.
PPFD 800 watt LED lighting was the most efficient per plant space of all her tests and final plant weights.

FLUSHING - (BUCKLE UP SWEETHEART) This is the single biggest lie perpetrated by agricultural commercial industries and hormone growth inhibitors sold into the cannabis industry.
You can't flush NUTRIENTS or CHEMICALS out of plant tissue (PERIOD).

Read that statement again. It's crucial to the quality and cost efficiency of all your future grows.
FLUSHING- 1 and 2 week flushes.
*You can cause nutrient deficiencies in your plants.
*You are flushing synthetic chemicals/fertilizers from the soil/grow medium that didn't need to be there in the first place.

This circumstance is the foundation of all my research on behalf of MMJ. Medical and recreational cannabis users have the right to the highest quality cannabis available.
I'm here to show for profit growers private and commercial, they're wasting money purchasing these products. For hydroponics growers, the world record tomatoes and pumpkins have one product in common. I will disclose that products name when I cover the incredible lifes work of Dr. Maynard Murray.

CURING CANNABIS- I will cover this topic now as it is pertinent to many growers around the world in a perpetual cyclical timing.

Curing Facts
1. For corporate dispensary growers, you only need wait the first time for a quality cure of three months. Every cycle after that falls into the same release date cycling as rushes or uncured cannabis. The easiest way to beat your competition is to be better than your competitors. I've already showed you that not using synthetic chemicals/fertilizers saves you money, giving you a competitive edge.

2. A longer cure cannot offset or compensate for poor growing practices.

3. Rushed heating, drying methods of the buds/flowers. Eliminates the vast majority of phenotypic expressions. (Wine)

4. Cannabinoids in the trichome heads need the natural degradation process to form the highest concentrations of individual Cannabinoids. Be it CBD, THC, CBG etc. When the drying process is rushed or skipped. The flowers don't produce these essential chemical changes. I will use wine again as an apology.

Dom Perignon and Boones Farm are from grapes that take the exact same amount of time to grow. So what is the difference other than one bottle is $3 and the other bottle sells for over a$1,000?

GROWING PRACTICES, CURING PRACTICES

Curing, dry prevents spoilage only.
Curing conditions and moisture levels. 40% to 60% humidity.
.8% moisture stops botritus, .6% moisture is consumer preference for best cured buds.

No burp, 20 minute burp and (one hour burp is the industry standard).
There was no actual release of moisture by burping containers was the most important finding.
Rotronic HP23-AW-A Water activity meter was used for the burping testing. It's a $1430.00 base model piece of equipment.
Other notes of significance was the amount of CO2 in the samples fluctuated with employees being in the curing room.
The 5 gallon plastic buckets being used for curing proved not to be air tight. Meters inside the sealed buckets fluctuated as well. Moisture content in large and small buds equalized and homogenized.

Conclusion, water activity levels are crucial for properly curing buds. 40% to 60% room/container humidity is ideal.

This concludes the specific information relating to cannabis that Dr. Allison Justice shared. I will post more notes and studies in the morning. I hope you have found this information useful.
peace farmerlion

 

[Weezard]

Mahalo.

 

[farmerlion]

Hello my friends, today is a special day. I'm going to share a 6 year refinement of gathered knowledge, biological research and principle, compiled into the most cutting edge productive, cost effective, high quality technique in the entire cannabis industry.

Okay farmerlion that's a big claim,, now back it up! And I will!

Due to the amount of pictures and information needed for reference. And backing my claims up this may be in a few posts to properly convey the information.
* FUNGAL REPOSITORIES EXPLAINED *
I will post pictures first, the steps taken second and the principles and knowledge behind each step. The symmetry and how they work together.
Why teas are inconsistent and don't work the way we expect them to each time. The corrections I discovered and have implemented and refined for several years now.
Teas and amendments like them have been being used improperly, because we didn't fully understand what was taking place (Biologically)and how they really worked.

Starting off with a fresh grow bag of soil. I use 35 and 45 gallon grow bags. I single plant the 35's and double plant the 45's. Miracle grow type soils that have inoculations pre added, take much longer for your microbial colonies to get going.. These synthetic fertilizers often sterilize the soil. Much like big ag using anhydrous ammonia. It delivered great results, but made the farmers dependant upon it . The natural abilities of your soils microbial life to defend against bad bacteria, weeds and pests was gone. The extra crop produced was now being spent on pesticides, herbicides and more stimulants to boost productivity to offset rising costs.

All that just came in your bag of soil that made a promise of (BIGGER, BETTER, FASTER). But it's on sale and only costs a couple of dollars more than the regular soils. Hmmm?

A keg cup sized hole with a secondary thumb sized hole going almost to the bottom of the bag is your Fungal Repository. The reason for the keg cup hole is because your germinating seed is sensitive to it's environment. When it's to cold to be growing, I'm preparing my soils microbial colonies. This can be to rich of an environment for a new seedling or fresh clone. I later fill the whole with a biodegradable manure cup with the bottom cut out.

Most root systems grow faster than the cups degrade. By the time the roots grow out the sides of the manure cup and down into the first repository. They are well established in their new environment and ready to flourish.

. I have a dedicated blender just for puree ingredients. I watch for discounted fruits and vegetables at the grocery stores. Watermelon, flats of strawberries, blueberries, peaches and bananas are the plants favorites. Bananas and potatoes are the best for a little potassium boost going into flowering.

Since one plant has already converted these starches and sugars. They are already available for plant/root uptake. The benefits are immediate and you can see the difference by the following morning.

. You can see the three separate fungal repository holes in the grow bag. There is also a repository beneath the seedling mix filling in each keg cup sized hole. I didn't use manure cups with this bag as I was germinating directly into the bag. I'm not a believer in transplanting/up potting as a growing technique AT ALL ! There's nothing good that comes out of risking your plants root health intentionally. I have started seedlings indoors in manure cups with the bottom cut out. Then later set the cups in the pre existing holes in my grow bags, this works fine.
I use rain and lake water that I collect for the entire life of the microbial colonies. If you are using city water let your water sit at least overnight so the chlorine can have a chance to evaporate.

One last thought for this post. If you are growing in a tent. Find a container like a calf sled or an ice fishing sled to use. I have also built my own containers matching my light footprint. Let your roots have the maximum amount of space to grow. Before you plant your seeds or clones, lift your tent. Have ratcheting system in place, that works.

Ropes and pulleys from ceiling hooks work nice as well. My four 600 watt HPS lights in my indoor room, I used this system very efficiently. I will close this post and get into the nuts and bolts of how and why this system works so well. Additionally explaining inconsistencies and misunderstandings of Tea's used as inoculants. The proper and most effective way to use them.
Peace farmerlion

 

[dugzy]

Thank you for posting this, it's very informative and interesting. I work my open veg beds for beneficials but have not applied the same to container growing so these techniques really are inspiring.

 

[farmerlion]

Fungal Repositories and Microbial Biostimulants Explained

Microbial Biostimulants Geography, are communal organisms. Ph significantly shifts microbes to shift environments.

Diversity narrows as you get closer to the North and South poles of the planet. The equator is the richest gathering of microbial species. This pertains to bacteria as well.
*Minerals in the soil affect Ph*
*Roots will travel to the best soil food source and Ph*
*Microbes only grow at certain food sources for that type of microbe*

*TEA'S THE REAL LOW DOWN*
The longer a tea sets the microbes eat up their food source. Then another microbe becomes dominant and eats up the next food source. This continues through each different species of microbes eating different food sources until only inert material is left. After years of decay these microbes become Humic and Fulvic Acids.

Teas need consistent inputs to work in the root zone properly.

Don't change up you tea recipe throughout the season. The roots acclimate to a certain type of microbes for nutrient uptake.

If a Ph buffer(growth inhibitors) is introduced into the soil. The microbial life will move away from the acidic or alkaline buffer. This essentially stunts the growth of your plants. *Roots acclimate to certain microbes.*

Stabilize and stay consistent with amendments.

If you want to develop a different tea, do so from the beginning of the season in a separate bag. Don't try and change an existing colony with different teas or buffers.

CARBON ORGANIC MATTER IN YOUR SOILS, IS THE SINGLE BEST SUBSTRATE AMENDMENT.

The addition of organic matter before planting is crucial for microbial life when soil doesn't have a plant.
Microbes will die off after harvest as the roots are no longer feeding the microbial colonies.

*The Rhizosphere needs consistent microbial Ph balanced stimulants.
The Rhizosphere is your root zone. Healthy roots need quality water and food sources for microbes.

*99%of microbes are GOOD. The 1% that are bad are very bad!
(Microbes are a cultivar species).

*The sum of microbes are better than any single species of microbes on it's own.
Colonies of microbes empower each other.

CULATION (Q lation) means it bonds with buffering agents.
Clod Buster Humates
Humic Acids- black or brown, high molecular weight.
Humis- forms under dust layer of soil. Leaves, bark, twigs decomposed by fungi in undisturbed decomposition.

Humates- Biodynamic preparations to grow fungi.

Fulvic- Acid soluble fraction, low molecular weight, yellow in color.

*FUNGAL REPOSITORIES- The addition of organic matter is crucial to the development of fungal colonies. Pureed potatoes, bananas, strawberries, blueberries, water melons and pine needles of local trees and shrubbery are essential to acclimating plants to your geographical region.

Next post I will explain how this ties into the phenotypic expressions, your endocannabinoid system. Understanding Cannabinoid Pharmacology
Peace farmerlion

 

[farmerlion]

Hello my ICMAG family,

PhD. Linda Clumpers , Cannabinoid Pharmacology
Dr. James White, Professor of plant pathology Rutgers University

While some or most of this information seems technical and over the heads of most cannabis growers. It's important because two other doctor's have studied, researched and tested. Independently very similar to identical research concepts as Dr. Elaine Ingham and have verified each others findings.

This information I gathered through medical podcasts both the doctor's did, similar to Ted Talks. Not everything was relayed in complete thoughts, as the host would interject and change the subject from time to time. At the end I will summarize and give you a nutshell of information you can trust.

In reference to seed sales, storage and germination. There is some crucial information given. See if you can pick up on it before I summarize.

Curious about Cannabis Podcast#20 Phd Linda Clumpers
Cannabinoid Pharmacology, Cannabis for pain, www.canncannify.com is a research guide for reference (data gathering)

Endocannabinoids are antagonist compounds.
Cannabinoids respond to imbalances in the body. Endocannabinoids have a short life span of influence. (degrade, decompose).
Endocannabinoid deficiencies- while taking/consuming CBD helps, it's not the cure all answer.
A sum of the compounds gives a beneficial effect and takes away the side effect. Compounds influence each other. Some have positive, others have negative effects.
*Where does your CBD come from???
Linda stated in her findings 80%!!! 80%! of information is misleading or wrong.
(CANNABIS IS AGENDA DRIVEN)

5 mg by inhalation isn't the same effects on the body as 5 mg oral consumption.
Smoking, sublingual and oral are the three most common types of consumption. There is a growing number of consumers that are making their own suppositories for cannabis specifically. I have seen a thread here on the mag about it. If someone wants to link it here would be appreciated.

Menstrual cycle, cannabis consumption one week before the cycle starts, lessons the effects of the Menstrual cycle. Anorexia, obesity, neural pain and intestinal health are greatly affected by your endocannabinoid system.

TERPENES ontourage effect, as stated earlier in this post. They work better together better than any single terpene or cannabinoid does on its own.

CBD interactions with other drugs (pharmaceutical) CBD can diminish or amplify other drugs effects/actions.

SLEEP THC does influence but doesn't improve your sleep.
Sleep issues aren't necessarily sleep disorders.
CHRONIC PAIN limits sleep but isn't a disorder. There is direct and indirect effects of sleep disorders.
*THC does effect REM (dream state) sleep. THC inhibits REM sleep. Chronic pain sufferers will actually sleep and not be restless, but not in the REM sleep cycle.

CBN & THC combineds had much better sleep results.

The PLACEBO effect, is very high in teenagers and diminishes with age of the person being told of the specific effect. This is in reference to the thought that CBD is the cure all for everything and everyone.

Industry hype drives the PLACEBO effect of cannabis. Using a poor quality CBD or a product claiming to have CBD and doesn't. Gives a negative reaction to cannabis that is undeserved.

*Verify the quality of the CBD products you are buying* High price doesn't always mean high quality.

I'm going to do a partial summary here now. The balance of the information that forms the symbiotic relationship between between your endocannabinoid system and the Cannabinoids produced by the cannabis sativa plant.

(This is farmerlion speaking now and not the doctors. They don't grasp fully this concept, but are getting there quickly)

MIRRORS Rhizophagy, plant nutrient extraction from symbiotic microbes.
. This is why MMJ medical cannabis and recreational cannabis need to be treated differently and grown using this system of Fungal Repositories in natural sourced water, food and sunlight.
I am all for, all cannabis being grown better, but I'm not corporate America that only cares about making a dollar. While hyping indoor grown, nuked recreational cannabis that is harvested early, quickly dried to be sold to uninformed people.
There is a growing number of cannabis consumers that are demanding higher quality and ethically grown cannabis.
For those of you that are growing or are new to growing, please grow ethically and responsibly.

Peace farmerlion

 

[Nannymouse]

So, if i use a tea, say from worm castings, not to add a rotty banana to the tea later in the grow?