Forgetting Dreams

[TheForgotten]

Interesting subject.
I am a daily partaker, and as such i don't remember my dreams, but when i stop smoking the recollection of dreams returns.

This may seem inappropriate, but if a person wanted to explore their dreams, nn, dimethyltryptamine can be a useful tool.
It's likely to break addiction cycles and is not physiologically harmful. Terrence McKenna used to joke, 'You might die of astonishment'....

 

[Teddybrae]

"... likely to break addiction cycles" I laugh! HA HA! (but not derisively! I find humour within the poster's understatement ...)

 

[TheForgotten]

LOL

Spoken like someone who has experienced the ofher dimensions.

When i started discovering Demitri i bought a 1/2 oz and the person i got it from told me it is interspatial dimensional travel.
The 'self-transforming machine elves' told me it is just their dimensions, where all of us will go one day, thus powering the expansion of the universe (that remains unexplained by science)....

 

[DrDee]

Teddy,
I am an experienced dream recaller. Years ago...when the new age movement was young...I read a book about Lucid dreams. They are dreams where you know you are dreaming. My Mother was raised in a Native American culture...where dreams are very important. I had three siblings and it was the 50s so we always ate our meals together...even breakfast. And every day...she would ask us to tell about our dreams. So we all became good dream recallers. Keeping a notebook on the bedside table is a good way to document dreams...immediately upon awakening.
Good way to remember them...jot it down and reread in the am.
This is the realm of Shamanism and guys like Michael Harner, Terence McKenna and many others have written about this in detail.
Cheers,
JD

 

[soil margin]

Love all the posts in this thread. For a long time I have been struggling with that sensation of forgetting dreams and thinking that they were really important or something. Apparently they can’t be that important because I never remember them.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Isnt that what they call lucid dreaming? Read an article about that couple weeks back.

The only time i can remeber my dreams is when i go away on holiday and i take smoke break, other than those couple of weeks every year is the onl time i can remeber dreaming.

Peace.

As DrDee stated, lucid dreaming is knowing you are dreaming. I learned to lucid dream as a teenager because of frequent and highly annoying falling dreams that woke me with a jerk. Lucid dreaming allows you control of the dream so you can direct it how you want.

That's not what I'm talking about though. The study implied that whether you remembered it or not, you practiced things in your dreams. Their hypothesis was that we evolved the ability to dream to be able to test ideas in a non-deadly environment during a time in our history when just about everything was deadly. Effective dreamers lived and propagated more . . . ergo dreams. Their experiments seemed to make the idea credible at least.

 

[tetragrammaton]

One thing I noticed, while recovering from my heroin and opiate addiction in general, where that for years afterwards, I would have vivid dreams in which I'd magically find an oxy underneath the refrigerator, or find a bundle and go get my spoon, water, cotton swab, etc... shoot up, and then I'd wake up, kind of relieved it was just a dream and that I didn't releapse, but also kind of sad, because it's been so long since I've felt the opiate bliss. I'd even have frequent reocurring dreams where I'd be with dkmonk (RIP) and we'd be walking behind wal-mart in some random gated field that has poppies with pods the size of basketballs. Sometimes I'm alone, and then later go drive to pick up dkmonk, and sometimes he's with me. This happened when he was still alive too, and makes sense to me, because we both decided to recover from our opiate addictions.

I no longer get these dreams that much if at all anymore. To me, it was the final stage in the opiate recovery process. The last time I did heroin was sometime in January 2011, and the last time I did opiates was sometime around March of 2011, which I achieved successfully quitting with the help of Kratom. After I no longer needed the Kratom, I had the peace of mind that if I ever felt the need to do opiates I could simply order kratom, but that changed because it got banned in my state shortly after I moved to Chile, and then it's banned here too, and opiates are basically non-existant and rarely prescribed and not on the black market, nor is it a thing that dealers or drug users look highly upon. They seem to think opiates are evil and the devil and an american thing. I suppose that's for the best, because I appreciate not being tempted by opiates.

But the point is, the first part was the physical withdrawal, which lasted a little over a week, then it was intense emotional hell for like a month, filled with anxiety and the desire to relapse, and the fear that you'll never make it, and will never succeed in making it past a month, then the anxiety stops, but the cravings start. Not frequent and usually when not expected.

Then the cravings went away. I was able to be around people doing it and it didn't bother me. I thought I was cured. Wrong. The dreams started happening about 3 years into my abstinence of opiates. And they were INTENSE. Lasted a long time.

Occasionally, I will still have dreams in which I am behind wal-mart in a poppy field with basketball sized giant pods ready to harvest the opium with dkmonk, but usually when I have those dreams, I am aware it's a dream, and it's just nice to see my friend again, even though it's not real life. I guess that would be lucid? I don't recall the last time I had an opiate related dream, but I am glad that I am getting less and less of them.

 

[DrDee]

LOL

Spoken like someone who has experienced the ofher dimensions.

When i started discovering Demitri i bought a 1/2 oz and the person i got it from told me it is interspatial dimensional travel.
The 'self-transforming machine elves' told me it is just their dimensions, where all of us will go one day, thus powering the expansion of the universe (that remains unexplained by science)....

...and let me guess...an obsidian goo, a transdimension fluid oozed from all their body orifices...and they were able to look into the goo using it's trandimensional nature...to be able to see all things and all time...eons of cosmic time passing in an instant...

I listened to "True Hallucinations" too.
JD

 

[TheForgotten]

Nope, i haven't listened to any McKenna in over a decade. My advice, don't hate, participate....

I had a benevolent guide who threw me into many scenarios. In one i was on the table and he was one of the ones looking down at me, as our eyes met we traded places, then before i could react we switched back, and as i was about to smile he smiled at me first and said (telepathically) 'see' (as in 'i told you').
In another i was made into a molecule and poured, like a slurpee, and another i was a drop of water in a wave in an enclosed space (picture wave tank).

I had many (hundreds), and told them as they occurred on The Rogan Board back when it existed.... i always like the translucent green naked lady, but my favorite part was the endings where a myriad of visual information that is cartoon-like in translucent pastels pours into your mind's eye, and suddenly one frame shows up of a human face looking perfectly normal and says 'what did you think of that'?

Dimethyltryptamine is like dreaming, but you're conscious, and you forget the trip seconds after coming back....
If you want some fun, take a 60 mg hoot and lay on your side.... (up is generally positive, down negative)

 

[Ibechillin]

Im one of those people that almost never dreams. I fall asleep for what seems like literally the amount of time it takes to blink and wake again, Its stressful as hell because its like the days just blur together picking up immediately where the last left off. Been this way all my life, I have exceptional memory and recall ability from constant research and learning as well as routinely getting 8 hours of sleep.

The very few dreams I have (maybe 1 in a year normally) are extremely vivid. My memory of them begins at what seems like the final 10 seconds of the scenario/situation like I took control of a person in a movie scene suddenly. Then continued playing the part seeing through the characters eyes with my personal feelings/thoughts/decision making until the abrupt ending ~10 seconds later when I wake immediately wide eyed fixated on the dream. My thoughts and feelings during the dreams are very intense and the way Im thrust into them unexpectedly right at the end then ejected suddenly seconds later during the abrupt ending the scenarios are borderline traumatic which prevent me from ever forgetting them.

Something interesting I discovered recently relating to marijuana preventing REM deep dream sleep:

I normally eat one meal a day and fast 24 hours between meals, just been habit most of my life. Been finding alot of research lately showing health benefits from 72hr fasts to trigger autophagy in the body. I caught some type of sinus infection/flu on February 7th and decided it was a perfect time to try 72hr fast and trigger autophagy to destroy the infection. I smoked weed all day and before bed every night during this experiment on myself as per usual.

Febuary 8th I made bacon, egg, potato and cheese burritos for dinner with most pulp orange juice and ate around 5:30pm to preload my system before the 72hr fast. When I went to sleep the night of February 10th ~11pm after fasting for approximately 54hrs I had an extremely vivid dream, the first dream of 2020 and since having my last dream in mid October.

February 11th at ~5:30pm after reaching the 72hr fasting mark I ate a can of new england clam chowder and drank a glass of milk total meal around 600 calories. February 12th I fasted all day again and when I went to sleep around 11pm again after 30hrs more of fasting I had another extremely vivid dream.

Hope this is interesting to someone else.

 

[DrDee]

Good morning guys,
This business of dream recall is very interesting.

Tetra...your recall episodes reminded me of something that used to happen to me years ago. I was a business machine mechanic when young. The machines were a wildly complex mish mash of gears, bails, bearings, washers, springs and keepers. Training for each model took two weeks. I'd be facing a difficult machine with an intermittant problem...and was totally stymied...but then I'd go home and relax...and dream the solution. This has happened to me with car repair problems, personal decisions and even a difficult chord progression on the guitar. Oh ya...when I was learning to fly little airplanes. I'd dream about rudder coordination.

Pretty cool the way the brain works.

BlueBlazer...doesn't this touch a bit on what you're getting at? I just mentioned lucid dreaming because learning to do and recall lucid dreams is the same as remembering any other dream. Takes focus.

And Forgotton..sorry for harshing your post. I get a little impatient reading peoples descriptions of self transforming machine elves during their dmt trances. Never done it...maybe I'm a little jealous....or value my sanity to much. And don't the astrophysicists call the force behind the universe expansion Dark Energy rather then self transforming machine elves...or maybe they're the same thing.

Teddybrae...very much interested in Aboriginal magic and looking forward to talking more about it.


I am very familiar with the often under-diagnosed condition of sleep apnea. Been using cpap for 10 years. My point is that there are some people out there who don't recall dreams because they don't have any. So if your lack of dreams goes along with night sweats and morning headaches...see a sleep specialist rather then a Shaman!
JD

 

[Teddybrae]

... he was one of the ones looking down at me, as our eyes met we traded places,

The psychological mindfuck called NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) calls this 'trading places': Merging.

I merged with my dead Dad once. That was a spin out! Assimilation of the experience took some days of stumbling about going: What! What! What just happened?!

 

[Teddybrae]

I was interested re “...elves”. I have a very similar story. Not a DMT story but a segment of a dream where similar information was given to me in visual, rather than verbal terms.

Instead of Elves the dream-Beings were the silver, elongated humanoids which popular fiction imagines are kidnappers from outer space.

I stood to the left side of a vast hall. At the centre of the hall the dream-Beings were working on a large piece of machinery the shiny grey colour of pewter. I knew it was an engine of some sort because it hummed. It’s hum gently vibrated everything around. Several Beings were climbing over the engine or generator, doing what I could not see.

Then a dream-Being detached itself from the work party and walked toward me. It passed very close to me.

So the Dream ended and I had to think about what I had been shown for some time. I can explain what I think I learned in the following way:

Because the dream-Being came from my right side I know that it came from my Future. So whatever the Beings were doing had not happened yet!

The dream-Beings were at work generating Understanding. The dream-Beings were helping generate Human Potential, or, Immanence! (Like the Elves in Forgotten’s story previously.)

I learned that (except for the immediacy of physical pain) everyone must wait for Understanding to come to them; for “Aha!” or “light bulb” moments. (Until the future, right? Remember, the dream- Being came from my right, my Future.)

Thus Understanding comes from the Earth. (Here maybe think: ‘vibration’, ‘feelings’.)

I felt much calmer after the dream. My existential anxiety was much reduced. (On my good days) I know I am required to consciously practice Waiting. That Peace is available for me through Waiting.

 

[TheForgotten]

That's a fantastic story.... please post others as you feel like, i enjoy dream/recollection/trip discussion immensely....