Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

[siftedunity]

had to edit my post. i see theres more weight in favour of the defoliaters in this thread than the others ive read.

what i would like to see is close up of dried bud from defoliated plants. the main issue i have is that they look more airy than normal bud.

 

[DrFever]

with every thread of this kind its the same story. if you skin plants you may harm yield. i really wanna see some quality buds ie chunky, resinous and healthy from someone who defoliates.
all ive seen before in these cases are airy looking bud.

Here Stiff some day 61 girls in flower nice and healthy, would hate to see ones that are defoiled at 60 days would bet its hurting i would think.
i got 4 plants i defoiled and there know where as healthy as my untouched ones same strain, same environment, same food
going to debunk this shortly with pics ) and wet weights bud sizes for all to see

 

[DrFever]

Bassy ??? You and I have completely opposite standards then. Why not cut the stems out as well? After all you aren't growing stems, you are growing buds. Oh why not cut the roots out as well? After all you aren't growing roots, you are growing buds.

Ive done it both ways and I can promise you, the buds are MUCH higher quality on plants not defoliated. Which is why id be willing to put my grows up against you and your buddies grows any day of the week.
Bottom line removing large amounts of fan leaves will also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. End of story cannabis grows largest when provided with plentiful nutrients, sunlight, and water, and left alone to grow and mature naturally. It must be remembered that any alteration of the natural life cycle of cannabis will affect productivity.
Also a mj plants main goal is to produce seed to carry on its off spring wouldn't you think after millions of years of evolution the plant would inherently drop its leafs prior to flowering so it could produce more seed ??? does it ????

 

[willyweed]

proof comes before denial ,always has, always will .what strain are you using for your unbiased test dr fever? did you defo in veg ? or at any other time ?

 

[DrFever]

proof comes before denial ,always has, always will .what strain are you using for your unbiased test dr fever? did you defo in veg ? or at any other time ?

I defoiled just in flower removed all fan leafs etc strain is ppp
differences plants stressed yellowed off compared to to others buds not all joined up compared to others Top main bud smaller then others list goes on chopping this week end will post pics with wet weights and size differences quality of buds etc

The FACTS are...

1.) Leaving the leaves on causes the plant no stress.
2.) Anything else is wishfull thinking or speculation.

Such a simple concept and folks have so many issues with it.

 

[Arminius]

Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

If you don't follow the principles established for defoliation, your side by side is worthless.
You have to start in veg, don't touch during stretch (suckers are an exception), slowly pluck fans not exceeding 30% at a time.
Seems like you are trying to disprove a method by blatantly doing it wrong.

 

[Bassy59]

had to edit my post. i see theres more weight in favour of the defoliaters in this thread than the others ive read.

what i would like to see is close up of dried bud from defoliated plants. the main issue i have is that they look more airy than normal bud.

Ask and ye shall receive. Not my best pics since I installed a new cpu and reformatted so lost all the old pics but here's a few pics. I don't smoke, this is used to treat mom's Alzheimer's, but I've given to friends that have smoked nothing but high quality for 30 yrs to test and they all say mine is on par with very good (not the absolute best) bud they would be happy to purchase if need be.

Sorry for the quality. I'm not a great photographer. The last pic is on harvest day, on the scale, wet.


They aint airy.

 

[Bassy59]

had to edit my post. i see theres more weight in favour of the defoliaters in this thread than the others ive read.

what i would like to see is close up of dried bud from defoliated plants. the main issue i have is that they look more airy than normal bud.

My thoughts on airy:

I had one plant last grow that had more airy bud. The airy bud was at the top-back of tent, in the worst possible spot to get light since the plant was too tall and those branches literally had no place to be bent into the light. So the light was minimalistic and the bud became more airy.

There are adjustments and dialing in of things that need to be picked up along the way when doing this. Growing too tall with limited light, as I did last grow, can mean some bud is at a really bad angle to get good light. It wasn't drastic or horrible. But it was a learning experience too.

 

[Bassy59]

. End of story cannabis grows largest when provided with plentiful nutrients, sunlight, and water, and left alone to grow and mature naturally. It must be remembered that any alteration of the natural life cycle of cannabis will affect productivity.

Which of course is why thc content has gone up 10 fold over the last 30 years. Because it's been left alone to grow naturally in the sunlight without the intervention of man made nutrients and trimming techniques and plant manipulations.

Oh wait, do you mean to say that all this indoor growing in the unnatural environment and artificial sunlight and manipulations of the plant affected productivity in a positive way?

Snap!

 

[Bassy59]

Bassy ??? You and I have completely opposite standards then.

Yes I have fairly high standards of myself when it comes to doing things well. I work hard to get good. I learn from others that have been there before me. I learned to take advantage of others knowledge and experience over 30 yrs ago to great benefit for myself.

I guess our standards are opposites.

 

[vapedg13]

what i would like to see is close up of dried bud from defoliated plants. the main issue i have is that they look more airy than normal bud.

Airy buds are usually due to GR temps too high in flower...not defoliation

 

[DrFever]

Bassy i chuckle about you 30 plus years and your still growing in a tent hmmmmmm your pics you posted were the same pics you postted in that other thead how old was that ????? back in 2012 nothing new about you really
Not going to sit here bickering back and forth with you on this matter
it appears you been warned recently anyways and for those just click on bassy and see for your self here is a paste from his front page remarks

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12-19-2011 03:14 AMUltra Current
Hey, go make some more posts somewhere, theres plenty of threads to get your post count up.

 

[Arminius]

Here are a couple of examples of defoliating in veg, after stretch, and every ten days afterwards.

The above two pictures still had 3 weeks to go. I ended up having to pull them a week early, but still pulled 30 ounces from 960w. Every single bud was rock hard and all were similarly sized. The majority of dried tops were the size of my fist.

Here are some defoliated Straww DD at 45 days into flower, with 20 to go...

 

[Arminius]

had to edit my post. i see theres more weight in favour of the defoliaters in this thread than the others ive read.

what i would like to see is close up of dried bud from defoliated plants. the main issue i have is that they look more airy than normal bud.

That was not even the biggest of the run, just the last that I kept for head stash. Solid as a rock, and not airy...

 

[siftedunity]

some of the buds do look like they have some gaps in there(like the one above) and dont look like solid nugs but hey perhaps its hard to tell from pictures...

i really want to see some conclusive side by sides.

 

[willyweed]

I defoiled just in flower removed all fan leafs etc strain is ppp
differences plants stressed yellowed off compared to to others buds not all joined up compared to others Top main bud smaller then others list goes on chopping this week end will post pics with wet weights and size differences quality of buds etc

The FACTS are...

1.) Leaving the leaves on causes the plant no stress.
2.) Anything else is wishfull thinking or speculation.

Such a simple concept and folks have so many issues with it.

i train my plants now so i have min 10 top bud and there is just too many leaves for me ,but all buds are the same height give or take so this style suits me ,thats all that matters to me ,im not after 1 monster bud i want them all the same size, bit of training and leaf plucking gradually suits the way i want things,i dont force my style down other peoples necks because i know everybody is different and plants are different too .why can you not see this dr fever? in the uk we have pp2 which gives 20% more weed per plant so if you want more weed why don't you grow that? there are many ways to skin a cat why are you so against others trying different styles?its different in the us with the growing accept it .me and most other people do.your not the best at what you do? but you will never find out if you don't try.so try i will,who would of ever thought that you could grow weed in water? but we can !why can we? because some years back somebody tried something different and i expect he had his dr fever knocking what he was doing all the way.so keep going on to people it makes them try harder to prove you wrong.peace

 

[Arminius]

Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

some of the buds do look like they have some gaps in there(like the one above) and dont look like solid nugs but hey perhaps its hard to tell from pictures...

i really want to see some conclusive side by sides.

You must be trolling! Did you not read it was just a standard top? Nodes alternate during flower, and what you see is that alternation... I am sorry it was not the size of a 2 liter bottle, but I guarantee that bud is rock solid, and not "airy" like you so ignorantly claim defoliated buds are...

 

[Bassy59]

Bassy i chuckle about you 30 plus years and your still growing in a tent hmmmmmm your pics you posted were the same pics you postted in that other thead how old was that ????? back in 2012 nothing new about you really
Not going to sit here bickering back and forth with you on this matter
it appears you been warned recently anyways and for those just click on bassy and see for your self here is a paste from his front page remarks

ganja_hasi
take the following in mind and try yourself another wording!

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12-19-2011 03:14 AMUltra Current
Hey, go make some more posts somewhere, theres plenty of threads to get your post count up.

Your illiteracy is amusing.
1. Let me re-post what I said that you refer too: "Yes I have fairly high standards of myself when it comes to doing things well. I work hard to get good. I learn from others that have been there before me. I learned to take advantage of others knowledge and experience over 30 yrs ago to great benefit for myself."

Now where in the fuck do I mention a god damn thing about growing in that statement? That statement is a LIFE LESSON! I learned it 30 yrs ago! You should try it too. It works for literally anything new we encounter and want to do well in.

2. I don't believe I've posted those pics before. Since they all but 1 were from my last harvest, 12/25/12 iirc. I don't even have all the old pics anymore since I upgraded my computer and with it reformatted SSD. So your remarks to that are basically just bullshit attempting to devalue my credibility. You'll never be smart enough to do that. It's awfully hard to discredit someone that hides nothing.

3. How the fuck many times do I have to mention I grow in a tent, 4 fucking plants in flower at a time, because THAT'S THE LIMITATIONS OF MY MMJ-STATE LAW! I grow to treat elderly mom. I'm not a cash cropper. I'm not a dealer. Hey, GUESS WHAT! There's tons more of us than you think out there too! We actually grow for REAL MMJ reasons!

I have to make edibles to treat my mom. She's hacks her lungs out if I try to make her smoke. I even bought a vaporizer but still she hacks to the heavens. So food it is. As such it requires much more volume for me to treat her than smoking a joint 1-2 times a day would be.

I lol at your flame comment. Feel free to repost my comment to it. Like I said, I hide nothing. I'm extremely up front and honest. That being said, I am sure the word "context" is way the hell over your head. But if you do somehow learn it's meaning, you'll actually understand my comment to the flame post. Yet you'll never have the ability understand the point I tend to think.

Btw, I'm just wondering. Have you ever used a period in a sentence? Did you actually graduate from high school or are you still in it? If you did graduate, with run on sentence structure like yours, I pity the youth of today.

 

[Bassy59]

some of the buds do look like they have some gaps in there(like the one above) and dont look like solid nugs but hey perhaps its hard to tell from pictures...

i really want to see some conclusive side by sides.

So step up to the plate and do it yourself! Quit trying to dismantle the EXPERIENCE of others that have been successful doing it. If in doubt so much, do your own side by side. Don't demand it from others that have already self proven this technique to themselves. It's ignorant to expect that of others just to please you. Do it yourself, step the hell up. And link us a journal here doing it. I'm sure some of those with the experience would be happy to guide you doing it.

 

[DrFever]

Bassy if you were to look at any of your journals which reminds me where are they lol
you always tend to mention other members or peoples grows, but most importantly forget about your own grow and again, lets use the excuse there on another site right ????? i get constant pm's from members asking for advice can you say the same ?? i doubt it , i have journals on here and 100 percent positive some members implemented some of my style into there grow ,
Can you say the same i doubt it , I have added to this site for experience and knowledge have you i doubt it i can easily find your posts where you constantly have trolled hell even to get a message from admin on the matter on your home page is pretty lame there dude you got issues you need to sort out
You most definitely throw in your ill mother in the equation way to much which nobody really cares.
i ask you one thing i stated scientific data can you do the same for defoilating in flower
yes the op did it but looking at his pictures he still had lots of leaf left on the plant.
Which is a good thing selective trimming to allow light to mid plant buds but to think if a plant is 30" tall and your light 16- 24" above that that trimming leafs are going to make them low buds perform is ludicrous.....
It puts the light to far away to have penetration power yes they will stretch and be airy period. like most lower buds on any plant
how many times come harvest you trim lower buds and there not even done ???? i can tell you for me all lower bud sites are no where as close to top buds so why have them right ?????
but this is where the difference come into the equation you grow for your self i grow for $$$$ lower bud sites do form but in reality are much smaller. small buds are just that small buds and we must not forget when that guy is handing out 10 - 20 - 50 100k in cash for that weed he wants primo buds cause you are forgetting something really important here that weed will go thru 10 hands before its smoked
and by that time that small bud is SHAKE in that bag

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT is why has there never been a side by side un bias test done ?? cause i can assure you the untouched trained plant would kill it
you always get the excuse owe i burnt them, lights were on 24 hrs how the hell did that happen excuse after excuse its a given
I am pretty sure we can agree on a few things right ????
defoilating in veg slows plant period now why in the hell would anyone want to slow growth rates??????? when its everyone's goal to grow as fast and as much yield as possible ?????
and for closing argument bassy could you post a picture and please RECENT picture of one of your plants here is one of mine day 30 from a 3" clone lets see one of yours and trust me its a 10 - 16 oz plant finished i'll be waiting talk the talk or walk the walk hahaha. and just for you a hard dense bud and a stalk that supports 14 oz plus please post us some of your stalks that support your so called 10 oz's

PS: if you don't then your full of crap