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Florida Growers Thread; Reloaded
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Coba,
ive only had her in flower 1 other time and i dont remember much about her smell or high so ill let Cat or others fill ya in on her.
i think she is just over half way thru flower too.
edit..i havent noticed it being hard to clone but the cooler temps have slowed them down on getting rooted.
peace
ive only had her in flower 1 other time and i dont remember much about her smell or high so ill let Cat or others fill ya in on her.
i think she is just over half way thru flower too.
edit..i havent noticed it being hard to clone but the cooler temps have slowed them down on getting rooted.
peace
Yea 4 weeks wasnt fun...messed up my schedule bad. I was on a little roll too. As soon as i started keeping up with the dome sprays i had them popping out in a couple days. But who knows if they already started or the extra hum kicked em into gear.
Its really dry in my veg area right about now so i really have to keep up with the demands or it goes to shit. Damn seasons.
Its really dry in my veg area right about now so i really have to keep up with the demands or it goes to shit. Damn seasons.
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blue_tick
well i looked at the baby's today and the cold night took them out. gonna start over in a couple days.damn it man.
peace
peace
Looking good ghost9 and Morcheeba!!
As for clones I used to notice my cuts would root slower in the colder months compared to the warmer months. So far the glue cuts are almost 7 days in the cubes and no roots so far. Should see roots in the next few days hopefully. I use rooting gel on the cuts going in the rockwool cubes and then tap water to keep em moist. No dome or misting the cuts. I get 100% when the cuts come from a healthy mom. There is no one way to root cuts it all depends on your location and environment as to what method works the best. I have rooted cuts in nothing but a cup of tap water and ambient light before.
-G/O
As for clones I used to notice my cuts would root slower in the colder months compared to the warmer months. So far the glue cuts are almost 7 days in the cubes and no roots so far. Should see roots in the next few days hopefully. I use rooting gel on the cuts going in the rockwool cubes and then tap water to keep em moist. No dome or misting the cuts. I get 100% when the cuts come from a healthy mom. There is no one way to root cuts it all depends on your location and environment as to what method works the best. I have rooted cuts in nothing but a cup of tap water and ambient light before.
-G/O
RockinRobot
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I set my domes right on top of my T5 light fixture when I clone. Keeps the rockwool nice and warm and helps with rooting and no need for a heat mat. Also put a little water in the bottom of the tray keeps humidity in the dome up as well. Never even need to mist. I open a vent and exhale into the dome a few times a day instead of removing dome for air exchange. Give them a nice dose of CO2 that way.
Ghost,Morcheba those look wonderful, hope i can be that good at growing
one day
one day
Winter cloning is bad for me. Not sure how much I believe those guys in the organics forum when they say that they use aloe gel for cloning. Some say that they stick the clone stem straight into the aloe fillet meat into all that gooey gel then into the soil mix... I have never had that work for me. My best cloning results have been during summer with just plain water and Photosynthesis Plus. I found some new stuff called Vermaplex that I've been using for about a month now and seems promising.
Yea cold is bad here for me rooting too. I havent used any gel or powders in awhile. It didnt seem to make much difference for me when in normal conditions (not cold). I have a little humidifier that helps keep the closet with some humidity but requires at least daily fill up with RO/distilled so if im busy thats the first thing that gets slacked off on. It doesnt spread around very much either. Its a shitty one at best but it bumps up the RH a little when needed. If the heat kicks on in the house it dries the shit out quick like.
G/O, whats your method for TP'ing the rw clones into coco once rooted? I have awesome time rooting in RW but once i transfer it just goes to shit. Im guessing the RW is getting too soaked or something after transplant so i tried watering around them but didnt make much difference last time.
Brotanicare stopped selling the little cocogro plugs i liked the best so i had to find alternative. After the last foray of RW im back to rapids but i dont really care for em (dont flame me!) as they can hold too much water. I had them cocogro plugs down to a science, bastards!
G/O, whats your method for TP'ing the rw clones into coco once rooted? I have awesome time rooting in RW but once i transfer it just goes to shit. Im guessing the RW is getting too soaked or something after transplant so i tried watering around them but didnt make much difference last time.
Brotanicare stopped selling the little cocogro plugs i liked the best so i had to find alternative. After the last foray of RW im back to rapids but i dont really care for em (dont flame me!) as they can hold too much water. I had them cocogro plugs down to a science, bastards!
Yeah coba I agree the aloe never works for me either. It seems to make them mold on me. I got a free bottle of vermaplex 10 years ago or so from the vermitechnology guy in micanopy. I didnt get good results but it was in its development stage and I think I waited too long to use it. I had it for over a year before I remembered to try it. I used to buy tons of castings from that guy. The farm I visited up there back then was beautiful as was that whole area.
p-nut, I don't about 10 years ago but, the label says that it has 1 x 10 to the 5th power cfu's/mL of 2 strains of N fixing bacteria and 1.2 x 10 to the 4th power cfu's/mL of only 1 strain of Glomus endo-micoriza.
compared to Photo Plus that boasts a consortium of whatever bacteria and fungus... although, I did get a white paper from the Microbe Lift distributor up here so, I kind of know what's in their "consortium". that's what I based this thread on under my old handle. but, they told not to show that paper to anyone so... I didn't. I generically showed it to everyone
I like the targeted approach of the Vermaplex over the Consortium approach of Photo Plus.
It's worth a second look bro.
compared to Photo Plus that boasts a consortium of whatever bacteria and fungus... although, I did get a white paper from the Microbe Lift distributor up here so, I kind of know what's in their "consortium". that's what I based this thread on under my old handle. but, they told not to show that paper to anyone so... I didn't. I generically showed it to everyone
I like the targeted approach of the Vermaplex over the Consortium approach of Photo Plus.
It's worth a second look bro.
All this talk about organics is very interesting, I understand the appeal of organics but what are some of the benefits? Taste,Smell,Quality? I Have smoked some really fine organically grown bud but honestly cant tell the difference in the end product or am i missing something?
RockinRobot
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I've heard people that swear that organics taste so much better. I know for myself my taste buds aren't good enough to tell the difference. And for me I need simple so it's F&D with chemical based nutes. When I first started out I researched and just plain soil was bad enough but organics even more complicated.
I personally don't believe any of the organic hype. The soil still breaks down the organics to the same raw chemicals that the plant then uses. That's my own opinion and not meant to spark the entire debate about organic/chemical ferts.
if your stuff is grown and flushed properly then i doubt you could tell in a blind sampling.
i know first hand that if you improperly apply guano teas it will affect you end product. its more complicated understanding how to build your soil them re-ammending after each harvest. you also need to change your thinking from feeding your plants to feeding your soil microbes that in turn give the plant what it wants in return for sugar.
if i had the space to have a worm bin, proper compost pile and several outside aact brewers i would grow organic but for now its promix hp and gh flora micro / gh flora bloom.
peace
i know first hand that if you improperly apply guano teas it will affect you end product. its more complicated understanding how to build your soil them re-ammending after each harvest. you also need to change your thinking from feeding your plants to feeding your soil microbes that in turn give the plant what it wants in return for sugar.
if i had the space to have a worm bin, proper compost pile and several outside aact brewers i would grow organic but for now its promix hp and gh flora micro / gh flora bloom.
peace
I put them into solo cups of my coco mix and I will lightly bottom feed them for about a week to help the roots spread towards the bottoms. After that they are good to be top fed like everything else. I've only used Rockwood cubes I had bad luck with rapid rooters and other similar plugs.
-G/O
I can't speak about the smokable benefits comparatively speaking. I've been brewing guano teas and using Espoma Bio-tone since I started growing. I can say, with confidence, that I smoke a lot. and I think MY pot gets me higher for longer with less burnout than most everything else I come across. But, who doesn't think that about their own?
with organics, I just can't beat the price and now since I've been recycling the soil, the upfront capital became a one time cost. maintenance is relatively easy and inexpensive after deciphering the hype and sticking to the basics... learning native plant nutrient accumulator profiles is a extra cheap bonus that will work in a pinch. I've never grown ganja with salt ferts except for this year when I gave them some Jack's classic 20-20-20 with micros to help beat the slow down in organic nutrient uptake during the winter time. I'm not against salt fert nutes at all.
Phillthy and dank.frank I think, have the best all-around mix for beginner organics without having to get all into the modus operandi involved with living soil, soil food web, native predators, IPM, CEC, till vs no-till, biochar, cover crops/living mulch, regular mulch, decomposition rates ("cook" times), soil lab tests, etc ... like just how hot alfalfa tea is and how bad it can burn and how it smells like boiling horse throwup when it's good, etc... or the difference between all the meals and all of their benefits, kelp vs seaweed extract, the ethical treatment of native Peruvian bird nesting sites and various ancient bat cave floors across the globe, etc...
also growing the way I grow, I don't have to worry about disposing bottles or soil media or trim etc... I compost what I can. I don't worry about fresh hydroton or rockwool. I really don't know where to buy that stuff around here so, I'd have to drive miles away to get it therefore I've only been in a "hydro" shop a half dozen times in the last 6 years. I am working with a couple local shops, that have a wide variety of other non-pot growing related items, to get my growing needs. I feel safer that way.
I grow organic for a few different reasons... quality, taste, smell, effect is all subjective imo, salt fert nutes or recycled organic living soil it doesn't matter. everybody thinks their stuff is better.
with organics, I just can't beat the price and now since I've been recycling the soil, the upfront capital became a one time cost. maintenance is relatively easy and inexpensive after deciphering the hype and sticking to the basics... learning native plant nutrient accumulator profiles is a extra cheap bonus that will work in a pinch. I've never grown ganja with salt ferts except for this year when I gave them some Jack's classic 20-20-20 with micros to help beat the slow down in organic nutrient uptake during the winter time. I'm not against salt fert nutes at all.
Phillthy and dank.frank I think, have the best all-around mix for beginner organics without having to get all into the modus operandi involved with living soil, soil food web, native predators, IPM, CEC, till vs no-till, biochar, cover crops/living mulch, regular mulch, decomposition rates ("cook" times), soil lab tests, etc ... like just how hot alfalfa tea is and how bad it can burn and how it smells like boiling horse throwup when it's good, etc... or the difference between all the meals and all of their benefits, kelp vs seaweed extract, the ethical treatment of native Peruvian bird nesting sites and various ancient bat cave floors across the globe, etc...
also growing the way I grow, I don't have to worry about disposing bottles or soil media or trim etc... I compost what I can. I don't worry about fresh hydroton or rockwool. I really don't know where to buy that stuff around here so, I'd have to drive miles away to get it therefore I've only been in a "hydro" shop a half dozen times in the last 6 years. I am working with a couple local shops, that have a wide variety of other non-pot growing related items, to get my growing needs. I feel safer that way.
I grow organic for a few different reasons... quality, taste, smell, effect is all subjective imo, salt fert nutes or recycled organic living soil it doesn't matter. everybody thinks their stuff is better.
Copperfield
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Where u at Bucky???
For me organics is a matter of convenience, once the soil is amended and the tea is applied the plant works with the microbes to extract the nutrients it wants and needs. All I do is sit back and water when I can as I am not around the plants every day. No guessing what the plant wants or trying different manufacturers concoctions that are really mostly water anyway.
I rarely see any nutrient related issues with my plants - if something looks off to me it is almost always pest related. I've learned to always put my pots on a heavy plastic barrier layer to keep out root aphids, but I still struggle with regular aphids and spider mites from time to time.
There is a learning curve to organics and it can be really difficult to rid yourself of the "hydro" mindset of monitoring and tweaking the rez to get what you want but when you grasp the big picture it's really not that complicated.
There is definitely some pre-planning and work involved well before starting any seeds and I think that trips up many people. The other big thing is understanding that you are feeding and building the soil and the microbes that live there and work in synergy with plants and not the plant. You MUST IMHO understand and have a good AACT brewer, but that coupled with a good basic soil or soiless mix will get you well down the road to start.
I rarely see any nutrient related issues with my plants - if something looks off to me it is almost always pest related. I've learned to always put my pots on a heavy plastic barrier layer to keep out root aphids, but I still struggle with regular aphids and spider mites from time to time.
There is a learning curve to organics and it can be really difficult to rid yourself of the "hydro" mindset of monitoring and tweaking the rez to get what you want but when you grasp the big picture it's really not that complicated.
There is definitely some pre-planning and work involved well before starting any seeds and I think that trips up many people. The other big thing is understanding that you are feeding and building the soil and the microbes that live there and work in synergy with plants and not the plant. You MUST IMHO understand and have a good AACT brewer, but that coupled with a good basic soil or soiless mix will get you well down the road to start.
Now let me show you why genetics
Now let me show you why genetics
are waaaay more important than how you choose to grow them
This is Sticky Icky Gonzo #2 - a freebie I picked up somewhere along the way. I grew it out a couple years ago and made some beans and even used it in a cross or two. Popped a dozen seeds or so and was chopping down males like crazy. Had two nice looking females and got them both to 70 days but had to dispose of one as it was so loaded with aphids there was nothing salvageable.
One of the issues of growing outdoors is traveling pests and conventional wisdom is that pests will attack the weakest plant and then move on the healthier ones once the weak one has been decimated.
The only clue I had in this case was the yellowing fan leaves that were falling off all the other plants at the slightest touch would not come off this plant even with a tug. Didn't think anything of it until about a week ago when I had some extra time and pulled the plant up so I could really get a peek under her skirt. That lead to a knife and a plastic bag and a close examination of all the other plants that were nearby. Fortunately there doesn't appear to be any other infestations.
Anyway, on to the pics. Smoke will tell the tale in a couple weeks but I'm really not expecting much from this one and will probably not grow it again. This is the one that wasn't infested
Now let me show you why genetics
are waaaay more important than how you choose to grow them
This is Sticky Icky Gonzo #2 - a freebie I picked up somewhere along the way. I grew it out a couple years ago and made some beans and even used it in a cross or two. Popped a dozen seeds or so and was chopping down males like crazy. Had two nice looking females and got them both to 70 days but had to dispose of one as it was so loaded with aphids there was nothing salvageable.
One of the issues of growing outdoors is traveling pests and conventional wisdom is that pests will attack the weakest plant and then move on the healthier ones once the weak one has been decimated.
The only clue I had in this case was the yellowing fan leaves that were falling off all the other plants at the slightest touch would not come off this plant even with a tug. Didn't think anything of it until about a week ago when I had some extra time and pulled the plant up so I could really get a peek under her skirt. That lead to a knife and a plastic bag and a close examination of all the other plants that were nearby. Fortunately there doesn't appear to be any other infestations.
Anyway, on to the pics. Smoke will tell the tale in a couple weeks but I'm really not expecting much from this one and will probably not grow it again. This is the one that wasn't infested
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