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FlipBox BY PowerBox??

toohighmf

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As I said before, Kris is 1 of my best friends. I helped design the box, test it, sell them, find Kris Distribution & have been w him through the whole process. My 1st box had 4 relays. When kris had the chassis designed, the engineer came back and recommended the the current configuation. It has nothing to do with pricing. How much is your single flip? Why change the price when the competition (not you) makes hobby boxes for more more?
Why change the product when it works perfectly? I still sell them & I still use them. 8 digi ballasts cost $3000+. a flip that can replace 4 ballasts saves you a lot of money. Why would powerbox care what kris sells his boxes for? Are you going to make multi ballast flip units? For a company who said their not going to make a flip, then goes to only making a single, I imagine it's because you probably want to compete. If you can afford to sell boxes cheaper after everything that goes into the boxes, including design of each case, buying the correct relays, & the expensive American labor of the chassis, powder coating, printing, and assembly, packing,shipping, etc. maybe you should compete! Youalready have 1 box failure live on the net your first year. Wait til you pay $500 each way to overnight a warranty issue on a big box (with double the relays) each way. you have about 5 years of catching up dude! I'm not kris and I'm not his rep anymore, so I can call it like I see it. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Which in my opinion, you don't have a stake in. As your single relay flip products are already failing. Sorry but that's how I see it and that's how I'm calling it. If Kris wants to interject, he said he's too busy working on his new failure free innovative products to get in Avengers and now your dick measuring contest. If your going to IGIS next month, I will introduce myself, as I am exhibiting for another co. You will see thatI'm not Kris. I'm the big dick... ;)
 

High-Tech

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Looks like Powerbox is having problems with their units on another forum. I can't post the link to the website, this site won't let me. The customer says it was cheaply built with marrettes and black tape. They had to rewire the unit.

The Powerbox units are not UL/CSA approved either.
 

High-Tech

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Here's the powerbox unit, with the timer removed, maybe it was an earlier model.
 

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LiLWaynE

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Looks like Powerbox is having problems with their units on another forum. I can't post the link to the website, this site won't let me. The customer says it was cheaply built with marrettes and black tape. They had to rewire the unit.

The Powerbox units are not UL/CSA approved either.


ok, if this guy who has this complaint had to rewire the unit, why the hell didn't he originally wire himself up his own unit? just doesnt make sense to me that someone who has the know-how to rewire a unit, doesnt have the know-how to wire up a load center from scratch at a fraction of the cost?...

i have a powerbox dpc-15000 that I have been using flawlessly in one of my grow houses for about 2 grow cycles now... i dont know how all of this shit is coming up NOW about powerbox problems...

it just seems like a lot of jealousy in the industry, and one company trying to tarnish the image of another company...

funny how all of these problems start to arise once other competitors start getting wind of "powerboxinc." ....

im just callin it how i see it as an unbiased consumer who scoured the market and decided to go with powerbox.... :ying:
 
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Powerbox

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Not true. This is just spreading false info. I'll gladly post pictures of the insides of ANY of our products. I already did this with our Flipbox earlier.

Looks like Powerbox is having problems with their units on another forum. I can't post the link to the website, this site won't let me. The customer says it was cheaply built with marrettes and black tape. They had to rewire the unit.

The Powerbox units are not UL/CSA approved either.
 

Avenger

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Lets see the guts!

and are you working on UL or another Nationally
Recognized Testing Laboratory aproval?
 

LiLWaynE

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Looks like Powerbox is having problems with their units on another forum. I can't post the link to the website, this site won't let me. The customer says it was cheaply built with marrettes and black tape. They had to rewire the unit.

The Powerbox units are not UL/CSA approved either.


hey powerbox, dont sweat it, its just Darryl from nowirenuts.ca ... he's trying to hurt your rep... i wonder if he understands the KARMA concept?
 

LiLWaynE

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whattya trying to get at there high-tech? im curious to see that post but it wont work
 

toohighmf

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I don't quite get why Horti-Control is unethical for making a UL compliant box and claiming it. it's not UL listed, as there is no UL label on it. the box was designed by to be UL/CSA Approved. it hasn't stopped people from buying them and and to call it unsafe or unscrupulous is redonk..
 

LiLWaynE

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Was there an independent testing lab that confirmed the box was UL compliant? or did the engineer just say hey, its compliant...?
 

toohighmf

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there was an engineer who designs UL compliant equipment for approval. we are compliant because the Electrical Engineer made it compliant. this was not just made up by kris. it was what kris asked for out of the engineer.
 

Avenger

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Not much to see there really.

there was an engineer who designs UL compliant equipment for approval. we are compliant because the Electrical Engineer made it compliant. this was not just made up by kris. it was what kris asked for out of the engineer.

i think the engineer missed the boat on this one.

:wave:
 

toohighmf

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You think, but you don't know. when you have facts vs Allegations, I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Again, you are not UL, or an Electrical engineer. Please leave it to them. Thanks.
By the way, I dont know who posted the pics of the bad powerbox load center. thats just to convenient. Glad Horti is making load centers. (without a shitty internal timer to fail on you)

This thread is dust. their is nothing to more to discuss, Except speculation by you. We could have this chat privately and not clutter someone elses thread.
 

Avenger

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Laughing at tohighmf!

Horti-control thinks that ther flipflop is UL compliant. Let me know when you have facts versus allegations.


This has been a discussion that needed to be aired in the public domain, not in private.


So Horti-control doesn't feel too singled out, I will voice my concerns with Powerbox Flipboxes.

From what I can see in the picture of the internals, the LED indicators are wired to the contacts on the relay that are supplied with the open circuit voltage of whichever ballast you plug the flipbox into.

No wonder they fried the first day green thumb... used his.

WTF were you guys thinking by wiring it that way?

The lamp operating voltage depending on wattage range from about 170vto near 500v. Where did you find an LED that would handle those voltages? Not to mention the ignition pulses that peak in the 4-5 kilovolt range.

Pretty lights or not thats a bad design.


And DB2004 or Hightech(nowirenuts.ca) or whatever you are calling yourself nowadys.

Using NEMA 5-15 plugs and recepticles for your lamp cord connections is so uncouth it boggles my mind. Not only are the nema 5-15 not rated for the open circuit voltages of any HID ballast, but you leave the possibility for some retard to plug his fan or vacu cleaner or whatever into the flipflop. Can you imagine what would happen if you pluged a fan into the secondary side of a 1000 watt HPS ballast?


Come on guys, these are no brainers! No way would I put my name on a product with any of these obvious shortcomings.
 

High-Tech

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Actually NEMA 5-15R and 5-15P Industrial plugs/receptacles are rated for a 6000 volt intermitent spike in voltage, and can constantly accept 600V. They are rated/manufactured for 120V for the appliance. Not sure who you are and don't really care, you're just another opinion. You should look at the spec data on Cooper NEMA 5-15s. As for someone plugging in a fan or pump into the receptacle, it's labled and you'd have to be pretty stupid. Toohigmf is right, you're not worth the time, as you have no credentials, only opinion. You've probably built shit and know nothing. Only thing we agree on was the LED wired in series with lamp connection, not good. I thought the other side of the dpdt was wired for LEDs and lamps wired on other side, but commons linked. Powerbox, Horticontrol, myself, all are on first name basis here, and you're insignificant to us all. I'm pretty sure I know who you are, just by the way you conduct yourself here. You claim you've built flips before, any pics.
 

Avenger

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I'd love to see the data that says nema 5-15 "can constantly accept 600V". Best I could find was maximum working voltage of 250 volts.
http://www.hubbellonline.com/wiring/bryant/pdf/b/b36_37.pdf


Its funny how defensive and hostile you guys get when I critique your workmanship.

HighTech was my buddy when I was critiqueing Horti-control. Now he is calling me "not worth the time"

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LMAO


Only thing we agree on was the LED wired in series with lamp connection, not good.

Looks more like a parallel circuit to me there brother. Not good.

:wave:
 

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