First time Cocogro need Help

[PuttPutt33]

Hey guys i just started using cocogro in 6"x6"x6" pots, hydrotron on bottom with some perlite mixed in, ebb and flow. I didnt know much about it when i bought it, happy to find some info on it, I only still have the nutes from my first grow. I have been feeding them fox farm grow big,technaflora magical, and b-1 red. My ? is until i can order some bonticare nutes that work best for my coco, will these do. I used plain water to my brick, no cal-mag added. the magical is pretty much the same thing, will it do? I was thinking about hand watering them next time with just water and the magical to soke my coco real well with it, as coco need lots of cal and mag from what i read. I am watering to times a day. Any help would be great. For some reason i cant post pics or i would, if i mod sees this maybe they can tell me why.



Sorry guys got it now, Getting use to icmag, it just said in the bottom left of the page that i couldnt post pic, but i can. Also these plants where transplanted here from just plain hydrotron about 4 days ago.

 

[Dalton]

Sup, putt. Are you having any problems with the plants right now or are thinking about the magical as a preventative thing? If everything is running smooth then I wouldn't add it now. If you start to see either a calcium or a magnesium deficiency then I would use it. Most of the people using calmag are using pbpro. I haven't heard much about foxfarm or seen anyone use it. So your not really going to know if it's necessary until you see a problem. Keep a close eye on em and you can catch anything early!
Good Luck

 

[Dalton]

Now that I see them. I think they look great and wouldn't add anything...IMHO
Nice work, your gonna love COCO.

 

[PuttPutt33]

Dalton thanks a lot man, I just read that you only need to use certain nutes on coco, so when i read that i was like o shit is something coming kinda thing? I was going to get PbPro full line soon anyways, so it is good that is good on coco. Yea they look good, they are about 21 days from seed, the one in the front row middle almost died so that is why she is so little. This is my second grow, I really enjoy growing, i think i will always grow for fun even if i dont smoke it.

Also i topped half of them, as you can probably tell about 6 days ago.This is a more current image of the plants.

 

[PuttPutt33]

OK I JUST HAND WATER, let 25 percent run off, perfect ph water. Anyways got to looking at one of my plants. What is this? Any ideas. I dont want to lose these plants.You can see that it isnt on the new growth just side leaves.

 

[bergerbuddy]

Well its the beggings of problems is what it looks like to me...

you really do need to get a coco specific fert... PBP works well as I have seen alot of threads on here with people using it.. I use some of their products and supp my canna, so I like their stuff too..

What is your PH?? I like to have mine at like 5.8 on some watering up to 6.2... I vary.. with 6 being optimum... what are the PPM??
Its hard to say what that prob is but coco is notorius for cal/mag potasium issues... as it binds K and mag....

The nice thing with coco is... you don't really need to do anything... but get ur program RIGHT... and then water... so lets see what ur prg is.. and we will go from there...
But I can tell ya right now... I would go get some PBP LK cannazyme PBP Bloom..

Peace
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[aeric]

agree with Berger except i would get a nute specifically for coco only, like Canna or AN monkey juice etc....PB is decent in coco but still has issues. IMO your problems will just get worse until u do....no need to reinvent the wheel until u know what a wheel is supposed to do.

 

[PuttPutt33]

Yea well i was trying to make the fox farm and Magical from technaflora get me by until i flip the switch, i just spent lots of money in the hut and everything in it so not much cash flow left but within 5 days i will have the stuff ordered. My ph is yellow. Which is suppose to be six..( i know i need to get a meter for like 150 bucks that tells me ppm, ec, ph all that...I will when i can.) I dont know the ppm... I have just given them half strength nutes. test ph. test temp...66. Water till 25 percent run off....


U think i should get the Monkey Juice Huh? yea i read about taht stuff. It is better? Can you use AN's additives like big bud and Overdrive? Or does that stuff not work for coco. Would i still need the cal-mag from Bonticare and LK as i hear it is some good shit? Im all ears..Putt......Thanks lots for the help , Big ups to yall

 

[bergerbuddy]

DON'T GET THE MONKEY.. IMO... I have used it... there are some post on here when I was using it... major problems.. but thats because the fertilizer had fallen out of suspension.. and there were sand like particles on the bottom of the container...

Lots of other people have had problems with MJ too... take a look over at AN's forum..

And let me say I have to STRONGLY agree with Aeric... I didn't want to say anything.. I DO use PBP Bloom and LK and Silica Blast and the Vita one too.. BUT CANNA is my base... and my plants ALWAYS look nice... if I have a problem... I usually just go with straight Canna A&B till it goes away.. always works.. but then again I usually never have problems...
I tried Monkey Juice Back in Jan of this yr... all the hype over AN.. etc... bud I was really bummed, I went back to Canna b4 the crop was done, just to pull the plants out of their FUNK... however I will be the first to say that MANY people have had GREAT results with Monkey Juice... just not me... :=}

As for using the AN extra like BB etc... with Monkey Juice... THEY recomend to use them... However.. Coco already binds up K and Mag.. so that is why they make coco fertilizers "special"... since BB etc is made for "all round use" its not "specifically designed" for coco... So.. I don't know if those were SOME of the probs for me or not.. but that is the thought process I went through.. I can tell u this FOR SURE>. DON'T follow their CALCULATOR>.. ok?? Way to high on lots of things...

Here is my formula "basically" every thing is to 1 gal...
Canna A&B= 8ml each
Cannazyme=10ml 1 out of 3 waterings
Rizotonic=4-8ml depending on time of cycle
LK=4-6ml depending on time
Silica Blast=3ml once or twice a week
Sweet=3-6ml depending
AN Carboload=3-6ml every other time early.. 2 out of 3 during bud
Botanicare Boost (vitaman B stuff)=4ml every other time.

I throw in canna bio boost a few times during bud.. and I use PK 13/14 around 3-6wks... I also stop using canna at end of bud 2 wks b4.. start throwing in PBP Bloom at 4-6ml gal..

I also like to throw in some benificials during veg.. and then again a couple
in early bud...

I know I have a BUNCH of diff things.... but the truth is.. my plants would do fine on just he Canna products and nothing else.... I just like to do more




Peace...
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[aeric]

Yeah putt, simply put, yes u can use most of their additives.

Berger: I'm trialing monkey juice for the 1st time after using canna, just cause it's easier to get, doesn't have to be ordered thru mail etc....but the B Grow solution is exactly as u said with little crystals locked up in the mix. I think the problems u had are a bad batch thing...and i got some of that batch too....also when i did use PB alone in flower i used 1-2 calmag-PB and it was only for 2 weeks (weeks 4-6) while I waited for more canna to arrive, so the coir was already "seasoned" with the right nutes...otherwise it was like 1/4 strength using canna as the base. Calmag-PB alone did not garner the same good results in a clone veg situation. I would be more than happy to switch back to Canna if need be, but so far the plants are happy with their AN. I was using almost double the strength with Canna at this time also.

 

[aeric]

I got ECSD up to 23 ml/gal of canna before I said I can't add any more! lol.

 

[PuttPutt33]

Ok thanks guys, Today when i woke up my plants didnt look that good, seems those spots spread to another, since it is sunday i am going to just give them a good flush with ph water. I am also ordering the nutes tonight too. I like some of AN's stuff, but if i dont use them then i will use PBpro. Thanks for all your help guys.

 

[Guest]

Why dont you get canna nutes for your cocogro, its a safe way to ensure a problemfree grow. And most on theese boards use them, and can give you excellent advice on using them along the way. Just a sudgestion for ya
Peace

 

[Guest]

I am a first timer as well and had some issues, some of your pics look similar to mine. Alot of useful information in this thread here:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=52505

Good luck, I highly recommend some coco specific nutes as well, they are really simple to use and have everything you need in them.

 

[PuttPutt33]

Holygong, I am about to order the nutes, but i only found them at one store that i know charges a lot to ship,Anybody know a good store on the new to get canna...Not a lot of ppl carry it. Yea supernick i been reading it.

Well I flushed all the plants today with the ph water at 6.0. I gave them about 2 quarts of water a peice, they had alot of run off, I tested the run off and it was at about 6.5. Some of the plants look healthy, There are 2 now with the spots, but it is just on lower leaves, the new growth is not effected,. Was it a good thing to flush them, i take it, it was. Should i keep flushing till i get a ph of 6.0 on my runoff? Once i order these new nutes tonight, what should i water them with in the meantime? Thanks for all the help, It is refreshing to find some ppl who know about coco.

 

[bergerbuddy]

I got ECSD up to 23 ml/gal of canna before I said I can't add any more! lol.

Hey Brother... the B was what was bad in mine too.. AND the Hammerhead.. so beware..STOP USING THE PARTICLE STUFF.. or you will regret it...

23ml... that is 11-1/2 ea of a & b right??? :=)

I am really interesting in the forumla u find best and what your fert regime looks like.. your adatives PK etc how much how long///

Could u explain ur Cal/mag usage again... with canna.. and then with PBP.. also are u supplementing AN with Cal/mag??

Putt:... Discounthydroponic is a good place to look for canna at a fair rate, but they are on WEST coast... So I don't know about shipping etc..

DO NOT keep watering ur plants till its 6.0 I think a couple of plain PH watering are fine but u want to get some ferts on thier A.S.A.P... coco can wash ferts out quick and leads to more problems.. your plants are showing the very begining... well now its progressed a bit... of a nute def... not a lock up or overfert prob.... imo... So u need to get some coco specific nutes on their... then prob solved... u should be fine watering with PH for couple dayz or if you have to give what u have been giving at a "light" dose.. just to keep some nutes in the substrate....
Invest in a PH pen too... u can make it without the PPM for a while, if you stick to the basic formula and amounts... but u need to know what the ph is.. coco will do fine as long as ur water ph doesn't get BELOW 5.5 or above 6.4.. Of course ideally u want to have it at 5.8-6.2 moving around in that range from watering to watering...i.e. I start low work up high then go back low... a good steady 6 is what works for lots of folks and what I did for years worked great.
Peace
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[Guest]

I would recommend flushing your plants again with some 5.4 ph adjusted water. I had the same problems of a Calcium deficiency and a low ph flush really helped them recooperate. I also stopped using Cal/Mag because I use hard tap water. If you use RO water then Cal/Mag is necessary, otherwise not so much.
I ordered my coco nutes from plantitearth.com and they gave me a couple free bottles of coco nutes. They have decent pricing and shipping wasnt too bad.

 

[PuttPutt33]

Buddy, thanks a lot man for your help. Here is a pic of the babies. they have been on just ph water for 2 waterings yeasterday. I am going to water them today with just alittle bit of grow big. Since my nutes arent here yet.

 

[bergerbuddy]

Putt:... they are looking nice man.. You will be just fine providing you get those coco nutes in next 5 days or so... Good idea, giving them a bit of food in the mean time...

Keep us up to date...
Peace
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[gaiusmarius]

welcome to the coco section puttputt, i bet those little darlings can't wait for a dose of coco specific nutes.