i know you can use urine as a fertiliser, and i know you can use manure from various animals, so what about human turd? as it is free and in abundance
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fertiliser - can you grow using turd?
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It really defeats the purpose of organics which is to feed plants natural elements from nature in their raw or composted form.
Humanure is so far from natural it's not even funny, 3/4 of what the average person eats in a day contains chemicals, fillers, dyes, even antibacterials and hormones (meat).
Besides any manure containing meat residuals is a No-No, it would attract parasites of the worst kind.
Take a trip with the truck to the country and pick up some horse shit.
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Humanure is so far from natural it's not even funny, 3/4 of what the average person eats in a day contains chemicals, fillers, dyes, even antibacterials and hormones (meat).
Besides any manure containing meat residuals is a No-No, it would attract parasites of the worst kind.
Take a trip with the truck to the country and pick up some horse shit.
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Epidemiology
While persons of any age group can be infected with Ascaris, children between the ages of 4 and 14 most commonly harbor the parasite. It is also in this group that acute GI conditions often develop. Factors such as poor sanitation, crowded living conditions, use of human feces as fertilizer, and pickling of raw vegetables are implicated in the prevalence of Ascaris. These issues explain why roundworm infection continues to be a serious public health threat in underdeveloped countries. For example, the practice of using human feces as fertilizer is quite common in parts of China, Africa, and Southeast Asia. These regions also experience high rates of Ascaris infection and subsequent acute GI complications.
Ascaris infection occurs by ingestion of fertilized eggs. Once eggs migrate into the small bowel, larvae are released into the duodenum and eventually migrate to the lungs. The larvae are coughed up by the host and immediately swallowed. In the small intestine, larvae mature into adult roundworms. Acute sequelae are the result of adult roundworms in the intestine.
While persons of any age group can be infected with Ascaris, children between the ages of 4 and 14 most commonly harbor the parasite. It is also in this group that acute GI conditions often develop. Factors such as poor sanitation, crowded living conditions, use of human feces as fertilizer, and pickling of raw vegetables are implicated in the prevalence of Ascaris. These issues explain why roundworm infection continues to be a serious public health threat in underdeveloped countries. For example, the practice of using human feces as fertilizer is quite common in parts of China, Africa, and Southeast Asia. These regions also experience high rates of Ascaris infection and subsequent acute GI complications.
Ascaris infection occurs by ingestion of fertilized eggs. Once eggs migrate into the small bowel, larvae are released into the duodenum and eventually migrate to the lungs. The larvae are coughed up by the host and immediately swallowed. In the small intestine, larvae mature into adult roundworms. Acute sequelae are the result of adult roundworms in the intestine.
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Malawi's Farmers Don't Waste Human Waste
By Pilirani Semu-Banda*
Farmers in six of Malawi's 27 districts are using compost obtained from human excrement to avoid having to buy expensive chemical fertilizers for their fields.
BLANTYRE, Apr 14 (IPS/IFEJ) - In many parts of Malawi, discussing human excreta is taboo. The mere mention of feces, in any of the country's 10 official languages, makes those taking part in the conversation uncomfortable. But, excreta could be about to gain respectability.
Recent years have seen farmers start to use human waste for fertilizer: feces and urine, combined with wood ash and soil, are serving as a replacement for chemical fertilizers. This came as farmers who could not afford the standard fertilizers went in search of alternatives to increase the size of their yields.
Chemical fertilizers cost up to 11 dollars for a 50 kilogram bag -- a hefty expense in Malawi, where over 65 percent of people live below the poverty line of a dollar a day, according to the United Nations Development Program.
Estimates from the International Labor Organization indicate that farmers and their dependents make up 85 percent of Malawi's 12 million strong population.
"My family and I use the type of latrine where we are able to add ashes to our excreta every time we visit the toilet, and this in turn ends up speeding decomposition. The decomposed product is mixed with soil after about six months, and that makes a very effective fertilizer," says Patrick Moyo, who farms in the northern district of Mzimba.
Moyo told IPS he no longer spends money on chemical fertilizers, and that his annual maize and fruit yields have doubled since he started using fertilizer produced from human excreta. Communities in six of the 27 districts in Malawi have now made the switch from chemical fertilizers.
The Livingstonia Synod of the Church of Central Africa Presbyterian, a leading protestant church in Malawi, has joined forces with an international non-governmental organization -- WaterAid -- to promote the recycling of feces.
Sangster Nkhandwe, director of the synod's development department, says the transformation of human waste into fertilizer is termed "ecological sanitation", and that it poses little danger concerning the transmission of disease through excreta.
"We've done several scientific studies on this technology and have found that there is no threat to human health at all…as micro-organisms are treated immediately ash is added to the human excreta," he told IPS.
"Human excreta contain valuable nutrients for agricultural use, but most of this is lost after the traditional pit latrines fill up and get abandoned…hence the use of eco-latrines, which are being used to reverse this situation."
According to a policy and advocacy manager for WaterAid, Amos Chigwenembe, three types of eco-latrines are being used in areas that have turned to waste recycling: the Arborloo, Fossa Alterna and Skyloo.
The Arborloo, he says, is the simplest of the three, in that it involves the smallest adjustment on the part of the community that is using it. The only thing required is for people to plant a tree in a conventional pit latrine after it has filled up with excreta.
"The tree grows and utilizes the compost to produce large, succulent fruit. After a few years of latrine movement, the result is an orchard that is producing fruit with real economic value," Chigwenembe told IPS.
With the Fossa Alterna, two shallow pits are dug. One is used for defecation, while the other stores waste as it matures and develops into compost.
Chigwenembe explains that a thin layer of soil placed on the maturing pit is ideal for growing tomato or pepper plants, and that watering of these plants helps the composting process. This pit is emptied to receive the contents of the defecation pit when this becomes full, with the composted waste being used as fertilizer.
The Skyloo works on the same principle, using brick enclosures -- or "vaults".
"The feces drop through a squat hole into the vaults and are left to mature. The vaults are rotated in a similar manner to the Fossa Alterna. After a suitable retention time, the contents of the vaults are placed on the garden or farm," said Chigwenembe.
Eco-latrine designs may use a round, domed slab as a seat for toilet users. This also suits the needs of low-income communities, as the slab does not contain any iron reinforcement bars, which are expensive and only available in Malawi's major cities. The weight and size of the slab makes it relatively easy to carry using the limited means of transport available to poor families, such as hand carts.
In addition to being eco-friendly, these technologies are also woman-friendly.
Nya Kaunda recalls that when her traditional pit latrine became unusable after her husband died in 2000, she resorted to relieving herself in nearby bushes as she could not manage to dig another latrine. Pit digging is very hard work, as the holes normally have to be big enough to accommodate ten years' worth of waste; as a result, this task is traditionally taken on by men.
But with the introduction of eco-latrines, Kaunda has been able to dig one pit latrine after another.
"It is not difficult to dig an eco-latrine because the pit is shallow, and building a shelter for it is no big deal. I am now able to use my toilet comfortably without fearing that some little kid will find me relieving myself as it was when I was using the bushes," she told IPS.
* This story is part of a series of features on sustainable development by IPS and IFEJ, the International Federation of Environmental Journalists.)
By Pilirani Semu-Banda*
Farmers in six of Malawi's 27 districts are using compost obtained from human excrement to avoid having to buy expensive chemical fertilizers for their fields.
BLANTYRE, Apr 14 (IPS/IFEJ) - In many parts of Malawi, discussing human excreta is taboo. The mere mention of feces, in any of the country's 10 official languages, makes those taking part in the conversation uncomfortable. But, excreta could be about to gain respectability.
Recent years have seen farmers start to use human waste for fertilizer: feces and urine, combined with wood ash and soil, are serving as a replacement for chemical fertilizers. This came as farmers who could not afford the standard fertilizers went in search of alternatives to increase the size of their yields.
Chemical fertilizers cost up to 11 dollars for a 50 kilogram bag -- a hefty expense in Malawi, where over 65 percent of people live below the poverty line of a dollar a day, according to the United Nations Development Program.
Estimates from the International Labor Organization indicate that farmers and their dependents make up 85 percent of Malawi's 12 million strong population.
"My family and I use the type of latrine where we are able to add ashes to our excreta every time we visit the toilet, and this in turn ends up speeding decomposition. The decomposed product is mixed with soil after about six months, and that makes a very effective fertilizer," says Patrick Moyo, who farms in the northern district of Mzimba.
Moyo told IPS he no longer spends money on chemical fertilizers, and that his annual maize and fruit yields have doubled since he started using fertilizer produced from human excreta. Communities in six of the 27 districts in Malawi have now made the switch from chemical fertilizers.
The Livingstonia Synod of the Church of Central Africa Presbyterian, a leading protestant church in Malawi, has joined forces with an international non-governmental organization -- WaterAid -- to promote the recycling of feces.
Sangster Nkhandwe, director of the synod's development department, says the transformation of human waste into fertilizer is termed "ecological sanitation", and that it poses little danger concerning the transmission of disease through excreta.
"We've done several scientific studies on this technology and have found that there is no threat to human health at all…as micro-organisms are treated immediately ash is added to the human excreta," he told IPS.
"Human excreta contain valuable nutrients for agricultural use, but most of this is lost after the traditional pit latrines fill up and get abandoned…hence the use of eco-latrines, which are being used to reverse this situation."
According to a policy and advocacy manager for WaterAid, Amos Chigwenembe, three types of eco-latrines are being used in areas that have turned to waste recycling: the Arborloo, Fossa Alterna and Skyloo.
The Arborloo, he says, is the simplest of the three, in that it involves the smallest adjustment on the part of the community that is using it. The only thing required is for people to plant a tree in a conventional pit latrine after it has filled up with excreta.
"The tree grows and utilizes the compost to produce large, succulent fruit. After a few years of latrine movement, the result is an orchard that is producing fruit with real economic value," Chigwenembe told IPS.
With the Fossa Alterna, two shallow pits are dug. One is used for defecation, while the other stores waste as it matures and develops into compost.
Chigwenembe explains that a thin layer of soil placed on the maturing pit is ideal for growing tomato or pepper plants, and that watering of these plants helps the composting process. This pit is emptied to receive the contents of the defecation pit when this becomes full, with the composted waste being used as fertilizer.
The Skyloo works on the same principle, using brick enclosures -- or "vaults".
"The feces drop through a squat hole into the vaults and are left to mature. The vaults are rotated in a similar manner to the Fossa Alterna. After a suitable retention time, the contents of the vaults are placed on the garden or farm," said Chigwenembe.
Eco-latrine designs may use a round, domed slab as a seat for toilet users. This also suits the needs of low-income communities, as the slab does not contain any iron reinforcement bars, which are expensive and only available in Malawi's major cities. The weight and size of the slab makes it relatively easy to carry using the limited means of transport available to poor families, such as hand carts.
In addition to being eco-friendly, these technologies are also woman-friendly.
Nya Kaunda recalls that when her traditional pit latrine became unusable after her husband died in 2000, she resorted to relieving herself in nearby bushes as she could not manage to dig another latrine. Pit digging is very hard work, as the holes normally have to be big enough to accommodate ten years' worth of waste; as a result, this task is traditionally taken on by men.
But with the introduction of eco-latrines, Kaunda has been able to dig one pit latrine after another.
"It is not difficult to dig an eco-latrine because the pit is shallow, and building a shelter for it is no big deal. I am now able to use my toilet comfortably without fearing that some little kid will find me relieving myself as it was when I was using the bushes," she told IPS.
* This story is part of a series of features on sustainable development by IPS and IFEJ, the International Federation of Environmental Journalists.)
brainthor, good post! (and these folks thought i was just talking shit)
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stonedeconomist
dude the hassle involved with converting you own crap into a safe and usable fertilizer isn't worth it. your better off just buying some composted manure. as bad a shit smells when it's in the crapper imagine how bad it will smell in your composte heap. 
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but I have, for lack of a better way of putting it, a shitload of shit ...
check out bio-solids
http://www.biosolids.state.va.us/
as for personal use i wouldn't do it. guano kicks ass and is cheap.
http://www.biosolids.state.va.us/
as for personal use i wouldn't do it. guano kicks ass and is cheap.
But sheep and cow manure i know is very popular as a fertiliser, yet human turd is cheaper and just as readily available, so why use sheep manure instead of human manure?
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Millorganite.......
It shouldn't be sold IMHO.
Keep that nasty shit for golf courses, not for human consumption.
It shouldn't be sold IMHO.
Keep that nasty shit for golf courses, not for human consumption.
Hmm ... this begs the question: should human turds be sold on the market
At the end of the day turds are just manure so why not???
We all have to turd so why not make money from it
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Relik
Different organisms have different intestinal flora, this is why they dump different kinds of shit. Intestinal flora is another term for symbiotic bacteria (bacteria that benefit from you as much as you benefit from them, as they help digest the foods you ingest, and in turn get some nutrients back - pretty similar to the symbiosis involved in mycorrhizal associations between plant roots and fungi).
When you take a dump, you are excreting part of these bacteria, but also potentially harmful pathogens that may have made it into your organism, because you actually are an omnivorous creature (no offense lol) and thus absorb all kinds of foods from different sources.
The manure sources commonly used in agriculture come from vegetarian organisms (rabbits, cows, horses, etc..) because such manures contain way less pathogens than other kinds of manure. There as been a debate regarding guanos containing pathogens, but I have nothing to say about it because I can't find them here.
Humanure (carnivorous manures in general) has to be composted for a very long time before being used, definitely not suited for the relatively short cycle of marijuana growing.
You should make sure, when using manures, that they have been properly composted. It reduces the risk of burning your plants but also reduces potential pathogens.
Peace and good luck
When you take a dump, you are excreting part of these bacteria, but also potentially harmful pathogens that may have made it into your organism, because you actually are an omnivorous creature (no offense lol) and thus absorb all kinds of foods from different sources.
The manure sources commonly used in agriculture come from vegetarian organisms (rabbits, cows, horses, etc..) because such manures contain way less pathogens than other kinds of manure. There as been a debate regarding guanos containing pathogens, but I have nothing to say about it because I can't find them here.
Humanure (carnivorous manures in general) has to be composted for a very long time before being used, definitely not suited for the relatively short cycle of marijuana growing.
You should make sure, when using manures, that they have been properly composted. It reduces the risk of burning your plants but also reduces potential pathogens.
Peace and good luck
lol I just realised how dodgy it'd be if you grew a plant in your own turd and then let a friend smoke it without telling him
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22067165-13762,00.html
Recycled poo the next 'big thing'
RECYCLING "number ones" could soon become the number one industry to help farmers - and "number twos" aren't far behind, according to a sustainability expert.
Associate professor Cynthia Mitchell from the University of Technology Sydney said “a revolution in sanitation” was needed to make maximum use of phosphorus.
“Urine will soon become too precious to flush down the loo,” Professor Mitchell said.
Professor Mitchell said Australians produce about two per cent of the average annual phosphorus usage in their urine each year.
She said that faeces was also useful, but was too difficult to process to become a useful product on a mass scale.
“Flushing poo and potentially harmful pharmaceuticals away with lots of water and transporting it to a large centralised location for disposal is incredibly wasteful, polluting and expensive to taxpayers,” she said.
“It would be madness for water-poor Australia not to investigate the widespread adoption of these new efficient and effective technologies.
“It would be wise for our long-term prosperity – and it would be a great opportunity for the entrepreneurially minded out there who are looking for the next ‘big thing’.”
Recycled poo the next 'big thing'
RECYCLING "number ones" could soon become the number one industry to help farmers - and "number twos" aren't far behind, according to a sustainability expert.
Associate professor Cynthia Mitchell from the University of Technology Sydney said “a revolution in sanitation” was needed to make maximum use of phosphorus.
“Urine will soon become too precious to flush down the loo,” Professor Mitchell said.
Professor Mitchell said Australians produce about two per cent of the average annual phosphorus usage in their urine each year.
She said that faeces was also useful, but was too difficult to process to become a useful product on a mass scale.
“Flushing poo and potentially harmful pharmaceuticals away with lots of water and transporting it to a large centralised location for disposal is incredibly wasteful, polluting and expensive to taxpayers,” she said.
“It would be madness for water-poor Australia not to investigate the widespread adoption of these new efficient and effective technologies.
“It would be wise for our long-term prosperity – and it would be a great opportunity for the entrepreneurially minded out there who are looking for the next ‘big thing’.”
Well for the last ~6 days i have been shitting into a bucket and now have enough turd to start a small 2-plant grow, but am waiting a little while for it to break down a bit more. Man does it stink !!! lol. I think my nextdoor neighbour can probably smell it. Hopefully it will behave like regular compost and lose its smell after it starts breaking down because I dont want to stink out the place with it
Anyway will keep yous updated
Anyway will keep yous updated
lol, ive gotta say it feels like REALLY weird shitting in a bucket btw. Impossible to do it comfortably and then it feels weird not flushing
You say "human turd takes a LONG time to decompose", how long are we talking? cos if its gonna take months i dont think ill be able to do it because of the smell, its already annoying me a bit but hey its free compost
You say "human turd takes a LONG time to decompose", how long are we talking? cos if its gonna take months i dont think ill be able to do it because of the smell, its already annoying me a bit but hey its free compost
