Feminized Seeds vs. Regular Seeds

[High Country]

oh god, someone had to stir this up again and im out of popcorn

feminized seeds quality is 100% based on the parents chosen, just like regulair seeds, so there will be bad seeds and good seeds, debating whats best is like debating if apples or oranges tastes best

but what i realy find strange is when you see femmed F1 hybrids where one part is a clone only male, like all the G13xHaze hybrids, or a certain companys lemon skunk (not greenhouse) where they just took the description from the regular seeds and used for the femmed ones, and half of it is one long praise of this very special male used, but it cant have been that male they used for the femmed seeds, things like that make me suspicios, so i never buy femmed seeds where one of the parents is known a male only plant

From my limited knowledge of genetics a true fem seed can only be produced from a reversed female which fucks the progeny of itself. A true male would have an xy chromosome in it and that y bit would defeat the purpose..xx x xx=xx, xy x xx=xy,xx..a mix, male, female seed.

 

[mrcreosote]

High Country,
I gotta admit that your girl on girl incest porn made me a bit turgid.

I got to ask now because I'm thinking about it and too lazy to look it up through a million pages of breeding stuff but when you reverse the mom with CS, will it revert back to female when revegged?
Common sense says it does because you wouldn't want to lose a particular mother, but then again, the clones and the (backcrossed?) seeds they produce are identical copies of the mom anyway so logic tells me you will have a male plant if revegged for future seed production.
Actually, logic and common sense play no part in this question ...I'm flat out guessing.
In short, is the CS treatment temporary or permanent?

What happens to mom and does it matter if shes/ hes chopped after producing pollen?

 

[growhi]

From my limited knowledge of genetics a true fem seed can only be produced from a reversed female which fucks the progeny of itself. A true male would have an xy chromosome in it and that y bit would defeat the purpose..xx x xx=xx, xy x xx=xy,xx..a mix, male, female seed.

now thats a intresting bit of info !!

i always thought fems were just made the same as normal seeds !!

as in a f1 hybrid only diff useing a reversed female of the same strain in witch the oringinal male was !!

 

[roach]

From my limited knowledge of genetics a true fem seed can only be produced from a reversed female which fucks the progeny of itself. A true male would have an xy chromosome in it and that y bit would defeat the purpose..xx x xx=xx, xy x xx=xy,xx..a mix, male, female seed.

i know that, thats why i find it very strange when several companies sell straight F1 femmed hybrids with the G13xHaze as one of the parents, the G13xHaze is a male only clone, there is no females, so how can they make a feminized F1 OG Kush x G13xHaze? someone is not telling the whole truth

 

[DocLeaf]

consider yourself addressed.

Try find a grower that grew a pack from FRT that wasn't happy with the results.

Dont worry we'll wait...

 

[wrongwrong]

Try find a grower that grew a pack from FRT that wasn't happy with the results.

Dont worry we'll wait...

Prob maybe finding enough growers to evaluate correctly!

keep the peace though!

 

[wrongwrong]

why the deletion of posts ? is this what happens when someone gets shown up? someone who sells seed ?

 

[DocLeaf]

Show up .. (when ? am I missing something) ? Here's a feminized clone (Critical), already seeded to a regular (WWxFT) male.

.. and here's the results in different gardens.

indoor / x1 plant

glasshouse

Note : these seeds were NEVER for sale. They went out to friends.

Please throw up some images (if you have anything on the subject) within context. A picture paints a 1000 words. OK lets draw a line under that.

- - -

Feminized seeds can be OK, it all depends on the methods of breeding. and the breeding stock used (remembering that some feminized seeds are hybrids). Regardless of the 'breeders' involved.

Edit: In the long term I do NOT personally believe that feminized or female seeds are productive in the singular as feminized lineage (there's no males..lol) But I'm sure not about to hate on it . life's way too short for that.

Whether or NOT the chemically altered genetics of such specimens further promote the free radical damage that co-exists alongside in-hailing such substances to begin with...is only for the fassies spouting shit before thinking to acknowledge (or ignore) really, before posting again on the subject. Honestly

One love ALL!

 

[wrongwrong]

Show up .. (when ? am I missing something) ? Here's a feminized clone (Critical), already seeded to a regular (WWxFT) male.

.. and here's the results in different gardens.

indoor / x1 plant

glasshouse

Note : these seeds were NEVER for sale. They went out to friends.

Please throw up some images (if you have anything on the subject) within context. A picture paints a 1000 words. OK lets draw a line under that.

- - -

Feminized seeds can be OK, it all depends on the methods of breeding. and the breeding stock used (remembering that some feminized seeds are hybrids). Regardless of the 'breeders' involved.

Edit: In the long term I do NOT personally believe that feminized or female seeds are productive in the singular as feminized lineage (there's no males..lol) But I'm sure not about to hate on it . life's way too short for that.

Whether or NOT the chemically altered genetics of such specimens further promote the free radical damage that co-exists alongside in-hailing such substances to begin with...is only for the fassies spouting shit before thinking to acknowledge (or ignore) really, before posting again on the subject. Honestly

One love ALL!

Chump!,

as you addressed me via pm, I can only presume then that you'd be ok with the post that was removed being put back? I'm not down with censorship myself.. as I mentioned in the previous post that was removed... about somas stock its highly intersexual IMO on both the regs he offers and the fems even though the rodalization is no longer in effect.. I asked as well about painted lady as you have shown above and what the results were? apart from the pictures.. were the seedlots free of intersexual plants? was it as vigorous as a "regular" mating?

maybe it was the mention of cannaboy and he being associated with your breeding (in the loosest terms)... that got the post canned?

anyway to some pics... one the result of a selfed seedlot to a regular.. the others intersexuals that some say naturally can perform about a yin and yang and the offspring of the two would therefore be free of intersexual plants.. I'm not sure on that myself. like begets like etc..

hopefully the thread can move on and we can take our cocks off the table.

 

[mrwags]

Chump!,

as you addressed me via pm, I can only presume then that you'd be ok with the post that was removed being put back? I'm not down with censorship myself.. as I mentioned in the previous post that was removed... about somas stock its highly intersexual IMO on both the regs he offers and the fems even though the rodalization is no longer in effect.. I asked as well about painted lady as you have shown above and what the results were? apart from the pictures.. were the seedlots free of intersexual plants? was it as vigorous as a "regular" mating?

maybe it was the mention of cannaboy and he being associated with your breeding (in the loosest terms)... that got the post canned?

anyway to some pics... one the result of a selfed seedlot to a regular.. the others intersexuals that some say naturally can perform about a yin and yang and the offspring of the two would therefore be free of intersexual plants.. I'm not sure on that myself. like begets like etc..

hopefully the thread can move on and we can take our cocks off the table.

Dude for real your calling DocLeaf a chump? Seriously? I mean for real you are using the word CHUMP and DocLeaf in the same breath?

Well for what it's worth and for what ever time you have here left I say you hav manged to prove my earleir post regarding the wheels falling off the bus.

Now I'm guessing your gonna come back with a nice witty come back only to prove my words even further so I'll save you the time. I have NO ISSUE with you but to consider DocLeaf a chump well if that was the case we are all screwed.


I Hope You Get To Stay But I Dought it
Mr.Wags

 

[High Country]

High Country,
I gotta admit that your girl on girl incest porn made me a bit turgid.

I got to ask now because I'm thinking about it and too lazy to look it up through a million pages of breeding stuff but when you reverse the mom with CS, will it revert back to female when revegged?
Common sense says it does because you wouldn't want to lose a particular mother, but then again, the clones and the (backcrossed?) seeds they produce are identical copies of the mom anyway so logic tells me you will have a male plant if revegged for future seed production.
Actually, logic and common sense play no part in this question ...I'm flat out guessing.
In short, is the CS treatment temporary or permanent?

What happens to mom and does it matter if shes/ hes chopped after producing pollen?

I haven't tried to reveg the reversed mum. The colloidal silver does the job at reversing sex but it pretty well seems to kill the plant when the process is finished...so I just throw them out...the girls have done their job...given me XX pollen...RIP.

It reverses the sex alright but the process appears to take a toll.

 

[wrongwrong]

Dude for real your calling DocLeaf a chump? Seriously? I mean for real you are using the word CHUMP and DocLeaf in the same breath?

Well for what it's worth and for what ever time you have here left I say you hav manged to prove my earleir post regarding the wheels falling off the bus.

Now I'm guessing your gonna come back with a nice witty come back only to prove my words even further so I'll save you the time. I have NO ISSUE with you but to consider DocLeaf a chump well if that was the case we are all screwed.


I Hope You Get To Stay But I Dought it
Mr.Wags

no mr wags its what he kindly called me so I gave him the good grace of calling him it back that ok with you? ... now since it was doc I addressed not yourself step off the bus.

I thought I made it clear with the 1st line!

Originally Posted by wrongwrong
Chump!,

as you addressed me via pm,

 

[High Country]

"I think JWP is going to have to explain more. As far as I can tell it's pretty basic genetics that HC is going to end up with seeds that are exactly identical to the clones. Not phenos, no weirdness, exactly the same. Maybe I'm not remembering my 1st year biology stuff, but here's how I see it...

Each piece of DNA can have four states. A, C, G and T. Read the wikipedia article on genetics for the details. Say our (trivial) example plant only has 6 pieces in it's DNA. Plant 1 (call it the father) has a state of AAACGT. Plant 2 (the mother) is AACCGG. When they mate, you get a random selection of either piece from plant 1 or plant 2 in each gene location. In this case, the possible combinations would be:
1st gene: Father = A, Mother = A, therefore child MUST be A
2nd gene: A, A = A
3rd gene: Father = A, Mother = C, therefore some children will be A, some C
4th gene: Both C
5th gene: Both G
6th gene: T or G

So mating these two plants would give you four possible variations (phenotypes):
AAACGT (same as father)
AAACGG
AACCGT
AACCGG (same as mother)

Now, consider what's happening here with the colloidal silver. Plant 1 is now a father but the genetics HAVE NOT CHANGED. So lets say it's DNA sequence is AAACGT. Plant 2 is the mother, but it's the same plant. The genetics are AAACGT. Put the two together, and the ONLY POSSIBLE COMBINATION is AAACGT. There will not be any variation, as there is not any possible extra options to choose from."

This was a post sent to me by Scorpion au some time ago

It explains the process very well.

Read it once, twice or three times...but think about it.

It is correct.

 

[DocLeaf]

"I think JWP is going to have to explain more. As far as I can tell it's pretty basic genetics that HC is going to end up with seeds that are exactly identical to the clones. Not phenos, no weirdness, exactly the same. Maybe I'm not remembering my 1st year biology stuff, but here's how I see it...

Each piece of DNA can have four states. A, C, G and T. Read the wikipedia article on genetics for the details. Say our (trivial) example plant only has 6 pieces in it's DNA. Plant 1 (call it the father) has a state of AAACGT. Plant 2 (the mother) is AACCGG. When they mate, you get a random selection of either piece from plant 1 or plant 2 in each gene location. In this case, the possible combinations would be:
1st gene: Father = A, Mother = A, therefore child MUST be A
2nd gene: A, A = A
3rd gene: Father = A, Mother = C, therefore some children will be A, some C
4th gene: Both C
5th gene: Both G
6th gene: T or G

So mating these two plants would give you four possible variations (phenotypes):
AAACGT (same as father)
AAACGG
AACCGT
AACCGG (same as mother)

Now, consider what's happening here with the colloidal silver. Plant 1 is now a father but the genetics HAVE NOT CHANGED. So lets say it's DNA sequence is AAACGT. Plant 2 is the mother, but it's the same plant. The genetics are AAACGT. Put the two together, and the ONLY POSSIBLE COMBINATION is AAACGT. There will not be any variation, as there is not any possible extra options to choose from."

This was a post sent to me by Scorpion au some time ago

It explains the process very well.

Read it once, twice or three times...but think about it.

It is correct.

Nice post

 

[DiSCoNUGS]

I for one am kinda sick of people calling feminized seeds "unnatural" You do know female plants grow male parts in nature all the time right? These days breeders dont really "stress" the plant to make it grow balls. I heard they used to use all kinds of methods such as light stress, driving nails into the stalk and basically attacking the plant and fucking with it so bad that it thinks its life is coming to an end so it grows male parts to try and basically fuck itself so it can produce seeds and let its all female children live on. Now breeders simply spray collodial silver on the plants. My fathers friend is actually a collodial silver fanatic (not MJ related) he drinks the shit everyday and even feeds it to his animals and claims it builds the immune system so much he never gets sick and even makes IMO some far fetched claims that it cures cancer. I cut myself at his house and he sprayed some of the collodial silver water on my cut and he claimed it would make it heal much faster, I do think i noticed a difference and when I had poison ivy he sprayed it all over me and it seemed to take the itch a way instantly. I told him about how it is used in marijuana breeding and he was not surprised. He claims he feeds it to all his (non MJ) plants and it makes his plants very strong and diesease free. He does not really understand male and female cannabis plants but he told me the collodial silver would not stress the plant...so why it makes it grow male parts is unknown to me. But collodial silver is very easy to make and there are a couple threads on it. Friends of mine make fem seeds outdoors every year. Some people think it is so hard but it is pretty simple. And to everyone saying why not just use proven clones...the med states must be getting to your head. Not everyone has access to clones, some of us have to pick a nice mother and make clones ourself....

So YOU CAN clone a femmed seed and avoid things like hermie pants and shit? I am about to buy seeds and am confused off the whole deal. I mean i have time and money to get reggo seeds but I am so confused with the controversy. If i am not breeding and just want new flavas which is the best way to go? i hear you loose potency and flavor with femmed is that true... someone help me put these myths to rest!?!?!?

 

[mrwags]

So YOU CAN clone a femmed seed and avoid things like hermie pants and shit? I am about to buy seeds and am confused off the whole deal. I mean i have time and money to get reggo seeds but I am so confused with the controversy. If i am not breeding and just want new flavas which is the best way to go? i hear you loose potency and flavor with femmed is that true... someone help me put these myths to rest!?!?!?

Been growing Female Seeds Gear since I came here and the ONLY difference Ive seen that is as they say obvious is light leaks causing hermies. To give you an idea had a bucket next to a power strip and that little red light that shows its on caused a few rocks on my girl but to show and learn as well I took some cuts from the exact same area that had beans cloned them covered up the red light put those clones back in the exact same bucket and guess what nuttin but boobies. wont lecture you on room setup but like I said the red light on a power strip caused it nothing else since the same plant went back in the same bucket and was beautiful as her sister who had 5 or 6 balls for those that are into that kind of stuff lol.









I included a shot of what the kids call a 2 liter cola. To bad even after I cut the bottom of the bottle off it still wouldn't fit.

Bottom Line like Doc said Does it get you high? Did it cure what ailed ya? There all weeds and have been here for millions of years all we do is make them grow bigger and faster but the Breeders are the ones I salute for without their wisdom the cancer would have got me but taking some of Rezs Chem and crossing with some of Ferrys abomination females and making a paste we kicked that cancers ass as a family just like it was intended.

Ty Breeders
Wags

 

[Fuel]

If i am not breeding and just want new flavas which is the best way to go?

Buying clones ? lol