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Deft

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TIE VOTE STALLS REPEAL ATTEMPT

by Charles S. Johnson, The Standard State Bureau, (Source:Montana Standard)


Montana
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HELENA - A Senate committee deadlocked Monday on a bill that would repeal Montana's medical marijuana law, but backers said they intend to blast the bill out of committee onto the Senate floor.

The Senate Judiciary Committee tied on a 6-6 motion to pass House Bill 161, by House Speaker Mike Milburn, R-Cascade, and send it to the Senate floor for debate. The House had approved the repeal bill earlier this session.

After the bill stalled, committee Chairman Terry Murphy, R-Cardwell, named a three-member committee to come up with "a regulatory alternative" to a repeal bill.

Montanans voted by 62 percent to 32 percent in 2004 to legalize the use of marijuana for certain medical purposes.

Milburn, who watched the committee action, said he was disappointed but not surprised.

"It's kind of what we expected, but it's not over," he said. "We'll see what we can do on the full Senate floor. I hope I have the votes. It's looking positive."

Named to the committee were Senate Majority Leader Jeff Essmann, R-Billings as chairman, and Sens. Cliff Larsen, D-Missoula, and Chas Vincent, R-Libby.

Five Republicans joined by Democratic Sen. Larry Jent of Bozeman, voted in favor of HB 161.

Four Democratic senators, joined by Republican Sens. Chas Vincent of Libby and Murphy, voted against the bill.

During the committee's discussion, Jent said, "We really bungled this. Our citizens passed an initiative, but we let this get out of hand."

"This law has been an embarrassment for this state," Jent added. "It's an utter embarrassment. It's time for this to go."

Essmann agreed, but he put the blame on the Schweitzer administration. He said the administration had failed to act as the medical marijuana industry spun out of control here, unlike officials in New Mexico.

"It's not the Legislature that has punted," he said. "It's the executive branch that has punted. They had the authority to stop this mess from happening, and they failed to do it."

Senate President Jim Peterson, R-Buffalo, called the committee action one of the most important votes of the session.

"What really appalls me is that the old State Nursery here in town is used to grow medical marijuana," he said. "The money is taking over the process. We need to say enough is enough and if we need to start over, we need to start over."

The committee discussion took place around the same time that the former State Nursery and some other medical marijuana growing businesses were raided by law-enforcement officials Monday.

Sen. Jim Shockley, R-Victor, said Montana voters were deceived.

"It was sold to the public as an older person dying of cancer being allowed some relief, and it ended up with a 22-year-old smoking on the corner," he said. "That's not what people voted for."

However, some other senators argued against repeal.

"I believe repeal is about defying the will of Montana voters," said Sen. Anders Blewett, D-Great Falls. "It's about taking medications away from seriously ill patients."

Vincent said Montana has "a huge mess on our hands," with plenty of residents angry that what they voted on in 2004 turned out to be much different than what they thought.

He said he talked to a 23-year-old woman with epilepsy who had to take powerful prescription drugs that prevented her from being "a normal functioning person." Now, she is able to live a normal life by making butter with a marijuana tincture that she puts on her bread and pancakes in the morning and has no side effects, Vincent said.

Vincent said he couldn't look her in the woman's face and tell her she had to go back to what she had done before. Instead, he said the committee can fix the law and impose some strict regulations.

Sen. Shannon Augare, D-Browning, said the Legislature deserves the blame for failing to do anything about medical marijuana in 2007 and 2009, when there were slightly more total Republicans than Democrats.

He called for "taking the very best ideas and creating one bill, a very strong regulatory bill."

In opposing repeal, Murphy said, "I know some people who are getting some real relief from chronic conditions from it that they weren't getting from the most expensive medicines on the market."

Afterward, Tom Daubert, who helped write medical marijuana initiative and is a leading spokesman for the industry, voiced disappointment that the repeal bill wasn't tabled.

"This issue is far from over," he said.

Daubert said he remains "terrified" for medical marijuana patients whose comfort remains at risk "because the effort to repeal is far from over."

http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v11/n172/a07.htm
 

vinmanr2d2

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I THOUGHT IT WAS A SCENE FROM THE NEW GHOSTBUSTERS..........
if they take our medicine,hopefully someone takes that fed agents wifes VALTREX lol
SERIOUSLY THOUGH...those suits are coming out of the pockets of every tax paying citizen.... and there is no need for that shit.
land of the free ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

vta

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MARIJUANA RAIDS BUILT ON YEARS OF INVESTIGATION, YIELD MILLIONS IN CASH


A day after federal agents executed 30 search warrants in 13 Montana cities, the U.S. Attorney's Office said that the medical-marijuana businesses raided were involved in large-scale marijuana trafficking and tax evasion.

While there have been no arrests yet, agents seized at least $3.6 million from various bank accounts, according to court documents and the U.S. Attorney's Office.

In one case, undercover agents repeatedly bought marijuana from one of the owners of Montana Cannabis, which has offices in Helena, Billings and Miles City. According to court documents, Montana Cannabis also bought large amounts of marijuana from a dispensary in Bozeman after its grow operation in Helena was vandalized.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Victoria Francis said in a statement Tuesday afternoon that the raids came at the end of an 18-month investigation involving multiple federal agencies. Francis didn't list the targets of the search warrants, but many are connected to medical-marijuana businesses.

The release said medical-marijuana patients with valid state licenses weren't the target of the raids.

Earlier reports indicated that two other businesses in Billings had been raided, but both those businesses said Tuesday that they hadn't been visited by law enforcement. Americans for Safe Access, an advocacy group that had released a list of raided businesses on Monday, said it had received incorrect information.

According to an affidavit filed with several of the search warrants, federal agents had been watching Richard and Justin Flor of Miles City since 2007. Richard Flor, father of Justin, is one of the owners of Montana Cannabis, but in 2007 was growing marijuana in his backyard. Undercover agents in Miles City bought marijuana from the Flor family at least twice in 2007, and the Flors also sold the agents a sniper rifle.

The federal government doesn't recognize the legal use of medical marijuana, so the affidavit doesn't state if the Flors or anyone else were legal caregivers under Montana law.

Based on interviews with former employees, the affidavit also explains the business operation of Montana Cannabis, which was run by Flor, Chris Williams and Tom Daubert. Daubert is head of the lobbying group Patients and Families United.

The former employees told agents that Williams and other employees had "machine guns" in the business for protection, and Williams had a pistol with him everywhere he went. At first, Williams, Flor and Daubert were paid $2,000 a month. But as business improved, that jumped to $4,000 a month.

In early 2010, the Helena grow operation was vandalized, so Daubert and Williams arranged to buy marijuana every week from Big Sky Patient Care in Bozeman. Big Sky Patient Care was also raided on Monday. The informant told agents that, for about six months, Montana Cannabis bought pounds of marijuana each week from Big Sky Patient Care, with one pound costing $2,700.

Once Montana Cannabis recovered from the vandalism, they stopped buying marijuana from Bozeman. Employees would prepare the marijuana for distribution in Helena, and drivers would take it to Billings and Miles City. The business sold marijuana in many forms, including hash that was prepared by people who visited every month from Missouri, the affidavit states.

By November 2010, the informant said Daubert had fallen out with Williams and stopped working at Montana Cannabis, though he still remained an owner and likely collected his monthly check.

On March 4, an undercover drug agent bought a quarter-ounce of marijuana from Justin Flor at the Montana Cannabis store in Billings, at 2325 Ninth Ave. N. A few days later, agents went through the Flors' garbage in Miles City and found marijuana in the trash.

Besides the search warrants, agents seized more than $3.5 million from five bank accounts linked to Montana Cannabis. The smallest amount of money in the accounts was nearly $88,000, while one account held more than $1.6 million. Agents said an account at Valley Bank in Helena was opened in December 2009. In about a year, Montana Cannabis deposited more than $1.2 million, mostly in cash.

The medical-marijuana community in Billings was still reeling from the raids on Tuesday. David Couch, owner of Yellowstone Patient Care, said his business had not been raided on Monday, despite widespread accounts that it had been. Couch has four locations, including one in Miles City and one on 24th Street West across from the Rimrock Mall. He said his business had been connected to Big Sky Patient Care in Bozeman but "divorced itself" in September because of concerns he had with the Bozeman outfit.

Couch said he received advanced notice that his business would not be raided, but he still closed his doors on Monday to avoid any problems. He said he had no idea how his business had been linked to the raids. Another Billings dispensary, A Kinder Caregiver, also said it hadn't been raided.

"We were informed that there were several dispensaries that were going to be raided across the state," Couch said. "We thought it in the best interests of our employees and patients to close the door for the day and let the chips fall."
 

Deft

Get two birds stoned at once
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Unless it was a lapua 338 they should stfu and call it a deer rifle as anyone else would.

Fucking modern G men
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
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pigs get fat
hogs get butchered.

if you have med laws in your state,do yourself a favor and follow them....
 

vta

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DEA – Drug Employment Agency (or: How drug laws make cop jobs)

By "Radical" Russ Belville

Here’s the official report from the latest raids in Montana. If you needed any more evidence that our marijuana prohibition is nothing more than an elaborate job creation program for cops, prisons, and rehabs, just check out this list of law enforcement organizations that participated in shutting down the storefronts of caregivers in Montana:
(KXLF Butte) Agencies involved in the investigation include the Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations, the Internal Revenue Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Environmental Protection Agency-Criminal Investigation Division, U.S. Customs and Border Protection-Border Patrol, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. These federal agencies were assisted by the Montana Division of Criminal Investigations, and local High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area task forces, the Northwest Drug Task Force, the Kalispell Police Department, the Flathead County Sheriff’s Office, the Missoula Police Department, the Missoula County Sheriff’s Office, the Missoula High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Task Force, the Great Falls Police Department, the Cascade County Sheriff’s Office, the Central Montana Drug Task Force, the Billings Police Department, the Yellowstone County Sheriff’s Office, the Eastern Montana High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Task Force, the Dillon Police Department, the Beaverhead County Sheriff’s Office, the Park County Sheriff’s Office, the Bozeman Police Department, the Gallatin County Sheriff’s Office, the Missouri River Drug Task Force, the Helena Police Department, the Lewis & Clark Sheriff’s Office, and the Eastern Montana Drug Task Force – Miles City.

Here is the reason why all these cops were hard at work for eighteen months. However, there was a problem in transcribing the news release – some of the release was mysteriously redacted. So I took the liberty of putting the missing words back into the copy, which you can identify by the emphasis:

The businesses that provide medicine to sick people that were targeted were believed to be in violation of the Controlled Substances Act, the release states.

“Specifically, it is alleged in the search warrants, civil seizure warrants and related documents that the premises or property identified were involved in some or all of the following violations of federal law: manufacture of marijuana medicine for sick people in accordance with state law and possession with intent to distribute marijuana medicine to sick people, and distribution of marijuana medicine to sick people in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 841, conspiracy to commit the offenses of manufacture of marijuana medicine for sick people, possession with intent to distribute marijuana medicine to sick people and distribution of marijuana medicine to sick people in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 846, structuring or assisting in structuring any transaction to evade currency reporting requirements or causing or attempting to cause a domestic financial institution to fail to file Currency Transaction Reports in violation of 31 U.S.C. §§ 5324(a)(1) and (3),” the release states.

The reason those emphasized words have been redacted is to get the caregivers on trial used to the fact they can’t say those words in federal court. There is no medical marijuana. There is no medicine. There are no patients and caregivers. All those cancer patients and compassionate farmers are just felons to the feds.

So I can see why DEA, ICE, IRS, ATFE, FBI, EPA, and OSHA* are involved. Why do we have all those county cops involved in enforcing federal law? Those search warrants are all alleging violations of federal law, not state law. State and local cops aren’t obliged to enforce federal laws. They have to make the choice to assist.

Montanans, how do you feel about your tax dollars being wasted to prosecute caregivers and patients

*Interesting anagram: DEATH AIRBASE? A COFFEE I SIP.
 

Jim Rockford

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Why can't they arrest people like we arrest people in America? These people haven't been arrested, haven't been read rights, they've been thrown to the ground, women included, by armed guys in body armor. If they were violating laws why not arrest them? Innocent to proven guilty is my understanding of America. When people lose all they own and aren't even told why America sure looks like Mexico.
 
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stickey fingers

SPECIAL THANKS, VTA great job as always thanks for keeping us informed
you ROCK !!!
RIP DR JAY
 

dustin27

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I'm wondering why they said "gloves off" with medical commercial ops, however, its being reported now that some of the commercial ops in MT werent raided, and some where....So why didnt they ALL get raided? I mean, its all federally illegal, so why did they leave some alone, when they specifically made note that commercial ops are illegal, regardless of state law?

It just seems hypocritical or something. It seems like they keep switching the reasoning back and forth, for the raidings. From illegal trafficking, tax evasion, to "its still illegal under federal law, gloves off, lets get em all" to "lets leave them smaller ones alone."

I just dont understand how they pulled illegal trafficking/tax evasion excuse and are using it for one case and no others. Wouldnt ANY operation be deemed the exact same ???
 
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HippyJohnny

Its about nothing more than the money and who is and is not getting paid.

The public see druggies and gangsters getting busted. Didn't even raise an eyebrow...

No mercy for the sick and dying and could care less about rights, liberty or freedoms for damn sure.

Most do not even see past the drug issue, these are legal precedent setting processes and events. Habeas Corpus is dead or dying if you can't tell. It is dying a decreasingly slow death, charges are not even necessary anymore. Wait till they get started on the gun owners ... seriously I cant wait.

I need to buy a fiddle.
:violin:
Burn baby, burn.

One party - two wings.... or two politicians and a cup.
 
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vta

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Source: Billings Gazette, The (MT)
Author: Tim Trainor


CRACKDOWN ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS COMING, BUTTE LEGISLATOR SAYS


BUTTE - State Rep. Jon Sesso, D-Butte, told the Montana Bar Association Friday to expect the Legislature to clamp down on medical marijuana.

Sesso, the House minority leader, who spoke to the lawyers' group in Butte, said he anticipates significant reform, but not outright repeal of the 2004 Medical Marijuana Act.

"The abusers will be on notice, probably in the next 30 days," said Sesso. "If you aren't legitimately sick, you are not going to be able to use ( medical marijuana )."

He said legislators recognize that abuse of the law is overriding its merits and that reform is necessary.

Numerous bills are working their way through the Senate and more moving through the House. Sesso said he expects a bill combining some of their elements will be enacted this session. Particulars about how the final products will look, however, remain unknown.

"Today's report will be essentially obsolete tomorrow," Sesso said. "24 hours means a lot in the legislative session and things are moving as we speak."

Changes have already been enacted, such as House Bill 19, which put medial marijuana under the Clean Air Act and forbid smoking in enclosed public places.

But the Legislature is toying with a number of other ways to tinker with the law. Some of the bills being debated include provisions for making it illegal for felons to become caregivers, forbidding those on probation from using medical marijuana, clarifying the conditions that qualify for the drug, prohibiting physicians from having financial ties to the marijuana industry and requiring product labeling.

Sesso said the problems with medical marijuana law snuck up on the Legislature because at first the program was working as designed.

In 2009, five years after the referendum passed, 1,500 Montanans used medical marijuana. Those patients suffered from cancer, glaucoma, AIDS and other serious ailments. But in 2010, fueled by an "explosion" of touring clinics and doctors that gave out thousands of scripts, more than 4,000 patients were joining the rolls each month.

That is when Sesso said he realized there was a problem with the system.

He said he still wants legitimate users to have access to marijuana if they wish. But he warned the thousands of patients that signed on in the wave of 2010, many of whom cited vague health problems, should prepare to do without legal access to marijuana.

The thousands of new caregivers, too, may find that the drug is not going to be the moneymaking industry they may have imagined. Caregivers may be limited to the number of customers they can have and the federal government, which recently conducted raids on two of the largest producers in the state, may have a say in that matter, too.

"The word is out that the federal government is not going to make medical marijuana a low priority, but will enforce the law as it is intended - as a Tier 1 drug subject to prosecution," he said.
 

dagnabit

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One party - two wings.... or two politicians and a cup.

sad part is there are those out there who still think one party or the other is their friend...
i just got a PM from such a poor misguided soul...
poor little thing actually still believes the "liberals" are going to help him.
 

dustin27

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So how the hell will they decide who is 'worthy' of herbal meds? This is gonna mess alot of people shit up. I am young, a bit alternative looking, but also a med user. A legitimate one. But the times I have talked to the law about it, they didnt seem to take me seriously. There is nothing on that list of ailments that says diabetes, or symptoms caused by, so my medical status will probably be revoked.

I can see the problem, tons of kids out of highschool went and got their cards for headaches. I just have a really bad feeling that its going to be alot more hassle then helping; keeping/renewing/getting a medical card after this...
 
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decarboxylator

So how the hell will they decide who is 'worthy' of herbal meds? This is gonna mess alot of people shit up. I am young, a bit alternative looking, but also a med user. A legitimate one. But the times I have talked to the law about it, they didnt seem to take me seriously. There is nothing on that list of ailments that says diabetes, or symptoms caused by, so my medical status will probably be revoked.

I can see the problem, tons of kids out of highschool went and got their cards for headaches. I just have a really bad feeling that its going to be alot more hassle then helping; keeping/renewing/getting a medical card after this...

Yup, politicians needs to stop playing doctor. It's insulting to the medical profession and patients. Montana's actions are not new or unique, this is the model for MMj moving forward unfortunately. Look at NJ... shit is not right. Can't we all just smoke pot instead of antidepressants?
 

highonmt

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Unless it was a lapua 338 they should stfu and call it a deer rifle as anyone else would.

Fucking modern G men

No doubt man why cant they just tell us the make and model. Always have to spin everything to make all growers look like Mexican gangsters.
 
Hell a .338 is for children here in Montana. I was in a pawn shop the other day and they had a .50 cal machine gun that you had to tow behind your truck. I asked my buddy behind the counter if it was legal. He just shrugged his shoulders and told me it was semi-auto....for now.

Bunch of cocksuckers probably just found a BB gun. Regardless of what it was I dont care as long as it wasn't used to commit a crime. By the way shooting up a bunch of Feds aint a crime in my book.
 
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thefatman

Federal law is Federal law. Write your Federal congressman instead of sniveling which accomplishes nothing. If all the snivelers in each state would organize so as to get together and vote out the present Federal congressmen supporting the present drug laws this thread would not be necessary. State citizens can bitch all they want about the federal actions but the state congressman and law enforcement agencies want them Federal tax dollars and state laws hold no weight with the Federal congressmen or the Federal courts.
 

mrktwiz

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Federal law is Federal law. Write your Federal congressman instead of sniveling which accomplishes nothing. If all the snivelers in each state would organize so as to get together and vote out the present Federal congressmen supporting the present drug laws this thread would not be necessary. State citizens can bitch all they want about the federal actions but the state congressman and law enforcement agencies want them Federal tax dollars and state laws hold no weight with the Federal congressmen or the Federal courts.

..............OH SNAP!.................................:whip:
 

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