Alot of things to think about and alot of good clone machine and cloning info without a machine......thanks for all the help and info EVERYBODY
-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
EZ-Cloner 30 or 60 is this a good cloning machine?
- Thread starter wvkindbud38
- Start date
GorillaGrower
Member
EZ cloner iz your friend
EZ cloner iz your friend
The biggest mistake most people make with the EZ clone is they assume it doesn't work right when they use it. The problem is almost always that they don't read the directions.
To give you the big tip every misses or knows but tries to work around.. BLEACH use the amount on the instructions to clean it after every round! I believe its 1cup 30 site 2cup 60 site and 3 cups for 120 site... check the instructions tho.
Almost always the folks that complain about the EZ,, complain that they get mush stems and that its the temp. IT"S NOT THE TEMP! I can get 95% w/ just well water and a half dose of clonex.. in any temp. below 85deg.
Yes the nasties grow better at that temp.. but also roots grow faster too. IF the EZ is cleaned with bleach ZERO will grow in it until you start the cloner. At that point the clones will show roots in as little as 4-5 days.. its quicker at a higher temp.. and you beat the nasties. only if you bleach it baby.
IF I had the pref I would do it in a 65 deg room and get a nice even 72-74 deg temp in the cloner. But it usually doesn't work that nicely in life.
EZ cloner iz your friend
The biggest mistake most people make with the EZ clone is they assume it doesn't work right when they use it. The problem is almost always that they don't read the directions.
To give you the big tip every misses or knows but tries to work around.. BLEACH use the amount on the instructions to clean it after every round! I believe its 1cup 30 site 2cup 60 site and 3 cups for 120 site... check the instructions tho.
Almost always the folks that complain about the EZ,, complain that they get mush stems and that its the temp. IT"S NOT THE TEMP! I can get 95% w/ just well water and a half dose of clonex.. in any temp. below 85deg.
Yes the nasties grow better at that temp.. but also roots grow faster too. IF the EZ is cleaned with bleach ZERO will grow in it until you start the cloner. At that point the clones will show roots in as little as 4-5 days.. its quicker at a higher temp.. and you beat the nasties. only if you bleach it baby.
IF I had the pref I would do it in a 65 deg room and get a nice even 72-74 deg temp in the cloner. But it usually doesn't work that nicely in life.
O
Organic-Dank
I got myself a chiller and can run up to 3 ez 120 each, i only have 2 of them 120 running and it works perfect keep temps 72 and you should be perfect 
the cooler the more oxygen hope that helps don't try too strong of a floresent at first it might stress your freshly cut babys
the cooler the more oxygen hope that helps don't try too strong of a floresent at first it might stress your freshly cut babys
O
Organic-Dank
yeah thats a good point i dont know about the temps tho, i clean mine too put some hydroguard and 1/4 1/4 1/4 for genetal hydroponics 1 super thrive and not a problem...
Yea I heard you have to clean these out with bleach.......I usually read the directions but sometimes directions get confusing......thanks for the head ups
Not just bleach, hot water and bleach. And leave it cycling for an hour.
I cycle with hot water/bleach for an hour, dump it out, cycle again with hot water and bleach for another hour
Then I take out each individual mister and place it in a tupperware with water and bleach and shake it.
I lost 110 clones because I didn't use hot water, but I did everything else above.
I cycle with hot water/bleach for an hour, dump it out, cycle again with hot water and bleach for another hour
Then I take out each individual mister and place it in a tupperware with water and bleach and shake it.
I lost 110 clones because I didn't use hot water, but I did everything else above.
norcalkell
Member
I LOVE eZ_cloner!!!
Ez-cloner is the SHIT!!!
I double up my cuts for some the lanker sativa-hybrids, but indicas I dont like the leaf condensation they get from overlapping and improper ventilation, i have gotten PM in there...
ALWAYS buy bigger then you think you might need, bettter then kicking yourself later for makign the wrong choice..... you can ALWAYS leave some cloner holes EMPTY, but damn is it tough to drill new one's in the side.....!
Yes, BLEACH IT! I put all the collars IN the machine [floating around] and then I use the lid of a "underbed rubbermaid storage container" [long and narrow like my 120 site] so that the spray dosent go everywhere, jsut falls back [juicily] into the machine, run that for like 30 minutes then RINSE RINSE RINSE, chlorine dissapates very rapidly but i could see tender young things still not liking it!
LOW LIGHT, you dont want them to GROW or STRETCH, just ROOT. I use a SINGLE T-5 or jsut the light splash from my mothers is really all they need...
PLAIN WATER!!! NO HYDROGUARD etc. *I like a splash of Liquinox [any B vitamin solution is the same]' and mebbe a few drops of ROOTS EXCELERATOR if I have some! thats it!
And if you feed your mothers a little bloom food the day or two before takign cuting, I find they can root MUCH faster if they have some P-K in their tissues!
I double up my cuts for some the lanker sativa-hybrids, but indicas I dont like the leaf condensation they get from overlapping and improper ventilation, i have gotten PM in there...
ALWAYS buy bigger then you think you might need, bettter then kicking yourself later for makign the wrong choice..... you can ALWAYS leave some cloner holes EMPTY, but damn is it tough to drill new one's in the side.....!
Yes, BLEACH IT! I put all the collars IN the machine [floating around] and then I use the lid of a "underbed rubbermaid storage container" [long and narrow like my 120 site] so that the spray dosent go everywhere, jsut falls back [juicily] into the machine, run that for like 30 minutes then RINSE RINSE RINSE, chlorine dissapates very rapidly but i could see tender young things still not liking it!
LOW LIGHT, you dont want them to GROW or STRETCH, just ROOT. I use a SINGLE T-5 or jsut the light splash from my mothers is really all they need...
PLAIN WATER!!! NO HYDROGUARD etc. *I like a splash of Liquinox [any B vitamin solution is the same]' and mebbe a few drops of ROOTS EXCELERATOR if I have some! thats it!
And if you feed your mothers a little bloom food the day or two before takign cuting, I find they can root MUCH faster if they have some P-K in their tissues!
HellaFella - just wondering if you use the airpump with your setup? I dont, and haven't noticed any diff.
Yes, I have never tried without, I replaced the shitty one they give you with the drip tubing with a proper pump and diffuser.
DO is everything with "standing" water, I understand its totally aerated by the sprayers, but thats gotta get old n stale after awhile, I just like the idea of fresh external air being introduced constantly....
Now DO is inverse to water temp, If you are "lucky" [I am] enough to have cool room temps then your EZ-cloner I could see still work acceptably, but I know some ppl constantly fighting high 70's and i would say an airpump w/EZ would be very necessary...
DO is everything with "standing" water, I understand its totally aerated by the sprayers, but thats gotta get old n stale after awhile, I just like the idea of fresh external air being introduced constantly....
Now DO is inverse to water temp, If you are "lucky" [I am] enough to have cool room temps then your EZ-cloner I could see still work acceptably, but I know some ppl constantly fighting high 70's and i would say an airpump w/EZ would be very necessary...
I totally agree about the importance of DO in standing water. I have nearly 100% success rate, probably like 90-95%. I too have fairly cool room temps and this might be one of the main reasons for my success rate but i would like 100%! I think I'm gonna give it a try with the air pump and see what happens. What pumps (air and water) are you running? Thanks for the help.
I have a Standard GH dual diphragm airpump, 4 outlets, 3 are going to the table next-to, 1 w/6in stone is in the EZ, this way the roots always get max fresh aeration
Sometimes I get cuttings that wont ROOT, they wont ever DIE, they jsut never root, its weird.....onyl time things DIE tho, is if the stems get moldy... The EZ is in a different location this time with better room airflow, not a hint of stem mold.... they do respirate and create a microclimate... Im glad they are moved now!
Sometimes I get cuttings that wont ROOT, they wont ever DIE, they jsut never root, its weird.....onyl time things DIE tho, is if the stems get moldy... The EZ is in a different location this time with better room airflow, not a hint of stem mold.... they do respirate and create a microclimate... Im glad they are moved now!
Thanks I realize the bleach must be diluted.....sorry about your clone loss.....thanks for your help/info
Hellafella thats a damn nice setup man......that's what I'd like to have.....a bunch of nice clones.......I'd like to get a EZ Cloner....but I might try REZ's method first as it's kinda like I used to take cuttings back in the late 90's before I got into the Fem seed craze......I could always try both....and if I didn't like the EZ cloner I could sell it on ebay or give it to somebody.....My growroom stays cool and I can make it cooler if needed or warmer.......so I might be able to avoid the water temp problem......I dunno it's hard not to give Rez's style a shot.....I'm sure Rez damn sure knows his method will work and everybody with a Ez Cloner knows those work(most of them)also.....I'll probably try Rez's method first and if it don't work I'll get the wife to get me a cloner for X mas or something LOL.........thanks guys
The rainforest cloner looks good also.......I think somebody said the pump was outside annd the water didn't get to hot.....not 100% sure about that.......the rainforest does look like a nice machine
reverev313
Active member
wvkindbud38 i had the rainforest 36 and have clones going right now will try to send a update of pic of my clones and the rootsystem of my ladies. heres is a old pic here they are about a week old
You will never never never never NEVER!!!!! not like your EZ-cloner!!!! I can understand your reticance, but trust me it will be the coolest peice of kit you will ever invest in...
The rainforest's from what I gather, are a too small enough body of water to adequately sink the heat generated by the constant pump, ie. the res temps get too high and they dont work as well....
I dunno what this "Rez's" method is, but I gotta take everything that guy says with a grain of salt, he's a real dick if he dosent like what you have to say, that fool has ALOT of hype going on, thats part of his marketing strategy, hes just slingin' seeds afterall, he could make GOBS of money growing bomby-ass herb, and yet he sells seeeds? why.....?
It's like the rasta-hippy douche Subaru driving whiteboys that work at the "grow shop" telling me how to garden, and these crazy new products that will double my yeilds or turn my shit purple! Then all I can do is wonder is, "why are you standing here making $8 an hour then?" hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
"Those that can not do, teach [or atleast SELL!]
The rainforest's from what I gather, are a too small enough body of water to adequately sink the heat generated by the constant pump, ie. the res temps get too high and they dont work as well....
I dunno what this "Rez's" method is, but I gotta take everything that guy says with a grain of salt, he's a real dick if he dosent like what you have to say, that fool has ALOT of hype going on, thats part of his marketing strategy, hes just slingin' seeds afterall, he could make GOBS of money growing bomby-ass herb, and yet he sells seeeds? why.....?
It's like the rasta-hippy douche Subaru driving whiteboys that work at the "grow shop" telling me how to garden, and these crazy new products that will double my yeilds or turn my shit purple! Then all I can do is wonder is, "why are you standing here making $8 an hour then?" hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
"Those that can not do, teach [or atleast SELL!]
1) EZ Cloners are NOT the be-all,end-all in cloning.
They're a pain in the ass when a room's hot,and the pumps are WAY too big to run the units without creating the need for a chiller.
It's a great idea,but a deeply flawed design-I've owned EZ CLoners and Rainforests,and the RF is a clearly superior unit-in design and build.
2) Rainforests are easily equal to EZ Cloners.
In your case,ignorance is bliss,I suppose.
Those are based on the Israeli's Ein-Gedi hydroponic research.
The "released much later" EZ units design points were lifted from the Rainforest design,excepting misters were substituted for the aerating RF pump.
Anyone can build a simple "EZ" unit,for about $50USD,or even less.
3) I have +twenty years,growing marijuana.
You don't know my cloning method,numbnuts,because you didn't bother to read the thread that you started.
4) Because I don't need to.
I grow plenty of top-shelf,"bomb-y-ass herb",in fact,all that me and my family need.
I breed world-class marijuana because I like doing it,and am extremely good at it.
Money isn't remotely my chief focus,I've had all I need for quite a long time,and am quite comfortable.
5) Again,because I don't need to.
Seeds break slightly better than even,as I refuse to breed any way other than "small batch",even though there's a world-wide demand for Reservoir Seeds.
6) Kids always talk shit,and that "rasta" kid that sold you that over-priced pH meter probably runs six houses.
He'll be rich and retired by thirty-and why?
Because he didn't have anything to say about what he was doing.
A good operator always has a job,it's good for their cover.
I'd think you'd know that,but I'm probably talking to a 20-something that still thinks his shit doesn't stink.
When that kid at the grow shop buys a spankin' new,shiny red Porsche,don't get all flustered,it could have been you,if you were smarter.
(Don't hate on me for my success,it just makes me work harder!)
7) I've been teaching people exactly how to grow for better than 15 years. And you?
....Since Overgrow and CW,I've written over 200 online articles on Marijuana Growing Esoterica,including articles for Skunk Magazine and High Times. And you?
My comprehensive article ("The Recipe") on General Hydroponics plant nutrition as it applies to marijuana,is stickied at the top of my forum. It's helped thousands of people. And you?
My articles on cloning have helped many,many people. And you?
Reservoir Seeds genetics have been helping people around the world grow the Finest Marijuana on the Planet for almost a decade. And you?
8) "Drug" dealing,in an illegal market,is for idiots.
I now live in a country where marijuana is tolerated for personal consumption in the home.
The trade-off was,I didn't speak the language,at the time.
As long as Reservoir produces seeds,and not "flowers,for commercial sale",I stand a Zero Chance for visits from the authorities. That,and I pay all taxes,in full,and use an accounting firm for all the minutiae.
Kinda' like Cali could be,if US LEO weren't such motherfuckers.
Between Smokey and I,we have about 35 years of marijuana growing experience,between us.
If you don't want to listen to what we have to say,fine-dig your own hole.
No need to be a douchebag about it,but if you insist....
Last edited:
P
Perpetual
K Double O
Member
And now KDub PRESENTS:
Trolls: Analyzing Their DUMB ASS Posts #1
Today we have HellaFell420:
Now let us begin.
Okay here is where you I got lost the 1st time.
Moving on....
As I smoke and read this shit. I'm thinking to myself HellaFella420 is insane!
Moving on.....
Okay after laughing uncontrollably and reading on. At this point, I have came to the decision that HellaFella420 might be smoking a little more than weed. If ya know what I mean?
Moving on....
You know what fuck that. I can't take any more. That shits a buzz kill.
I got some questions for ya Hellafella420.
What rock did you crawl out from under HellaFella420? Seriously.
And what the fuck does the rainforest have to with an ez cloner?
Oh and another thing. Talking shit to Rez? WHo are you Swerve? (Kidding... kidding)
I will conclude with the following statement.
Morons should not have internet access.
I repeat MORONS should not have Internet access.
And that concludes this episode. Stay tuned.
Because there are Trolls every where.
Trolls: Analyzing Their DUMB ASS Posts #1
Today we have HellaFell420:
Now let us begin.
Okay here is where you I got lost the 1st time.
Moving on....
As I smoke and read this shit. I'm thinking to myself HellaFella420 is insane!
Moving on.....
Okay after laughing uncontrollably and reading on. At this point, I have came to the decision that HellaFella420 might be smoking a little more than weed. If ya know what I mean?
Moving on....
You know what fuck that. I can't take any more. That shits a buzz kill.
I got some questions for ya Hellafella420.
What rock did you crawl out from under HellaFella420? Seriously.
And what the fuck does the rainforest have to with an ez cloner?
Oh and another thing. Talking shit to Rez? WHo are you Swerve? (Kidding... kidding)
I will conclude with the following statement.
Morons should not have internet access.
I repeat MORONS should not have Internet access.
And that concludes this episode. Stay tuned.
Because there are Trolls every where.
