Experiment : Brick seed from Paraguay

[barletta]

I used to go through a lot of brick, I assume most of it was from mexico/carribbean/s. american. Some of the bricks smelled heavy of ammonia, some, not at all. I have grown a few strains referred to as "Pinapple" (wally can probably help here), and to me, they smell VERY similar to those bricks, also 'cat piss' comes to mind.

 

[blan-k-flor]

By the way BLAN-K-FLOR, I'm using fertifox PK as a Flo fertilizer. Are you using this product too ?

I used PK a couple of times and it works pretty well in flora. I also used NPK fertifox in vegetative.

 

[Chamba]

edited for diplomatic reasons

Maybe Wallyduck (talking about this ammonia smell in those bricks), I have no answer for that.

good so far....lol

 

[droopy]

Edited too

Peace

 

[Chamba]

somewhere in Paraquay...the boss drops off truck loads of 60 or 70 proof fire water to the packing crew for misting down each kilo so it will stay compact and prevent mold, since the bootleg booze probably costs alot more than weed, so they use less than they should and it's probably 95 degrees and 90% humidity in the packing shed, so it's thirsty work ......and I bet the workers, who probably don't earn that much, water down the booze and set aside some of it for themselves for an after work sip...so the kilos get compacted with an insufficient amount of alcohol, or worse, are misted with watered down booze.

anyone who even suggests or considers that ammonia is actually added to Paraguayan brick weed on purpose is loco

dry weed won't stay compressed, so matter how hard or for how long it is compressed..eventually it will spring out again, splitting the packaging and if it doesn't it will mold unless it is so dried out that no one would want it ..so the brick weed guys have to add something to the weed to dampen it....obviously, water will make it ferment and mold and just about every other liquid either affects the smell or taste, costs too much or doesn't prevent molding..alcohol is cheap, kill mold spores and disapates without a trace, just mist enough to slightly dampen it, compress with vice, wrap and then stack it with the other ten thousand kilos there per favor

 

[blackone]

@chamba: As we say in Denmark: Who pissed on your sugar sandwich?
Maybe droopy is wrong, maybe not. But he definitely didn't DO anything wrong so what's the point of that hostile attitude?

@Droopy: I love your plant - as someone used to growing indicas and hybrids it's wonderful to see true sativas, if only in pictures.

 

[Chamba]

@chamba: As we say in Denmark: Who pissed on your sugar sandwich?

it must lose something in the translation, but you're still spot on, yet diplomatic...lol....actually I usually edit most of my posts..mostly for grammer and spelling mistakes, sometimes for temporarily being an ass!

and in the interest of keeping this thread going in a positive direction, I've edited my posts.....please feel free to do the same!​

....btw I've never grown any Sth Americano strains, but like most sativas, it's important to note that most do better with low nutrient levels during flowering and due to the longer flowering duration, make sure to keep giving adequate (small) amounts of nitrogen for the first few months of flowering....I'd guess those Paraguayans will take 3 ~4 months to be fully mature, so don't cut off the N ferts too early or the leaves will yellow and prematurely drop off causing lower yields etc .....sativas thrive when fed with homemade organic fertilizer teas.

you can grow long flowering sativas in small pots..but it's easy to under or overfertilize and when it's warmer, they might require watering twice per day to prevent drooping and drying out...

if they were less than a month into flowering, one might consider repotting into larger pots (but not too big or they might get wet feet due to having small rootball in a large wet container) and make sure the larger pots have a well draining soil mix and tease out the bottom roots when transplanting..if the roots are matted tight then break them off then plant them into the bigger pots.

and if a grower decides to keep their sats in small pots for flowering, a good way to fed them is with a low nutrient solution of organic ferts, pH balanced fed every 2 or 3 out of 4 waterings

keep posting pics of your Paraquayans!

 

[Jack Crevalle]

anyone who even suggests or considers that ammonia is actually added to Paraguayan brick weed on purpose is loco

You are funny, I think you need to study up a bit more and maybe go see it for yourself. What is your reasoning behind saying that the newspaper article from paraguay, every single person I know in South America, and myself are crazy for saying this?

I have smoked all sorts of brick herb. None from Mexico had ammonia, the ones from Paraguay vary from zero ammonia to harsh chemical smelling bricks. whoever said herb doesn't press well without water or an additive is completely ignorant. I have smoked some high quality bricks from Paraguay with zero ammonia and they were all green and citrus smelling.

I've smoked bricks mixed with honey, bricks mixed with cognac, thank God I never has the displeasure of seeing that glassed bud from England, but I guarantee you, ammonia in *some Paraguayan bricks is so strong that it makes your eyes water and the stone is very intense even though the bud with ammonia is crap full of seeds and stems. High quality brick from Paraguay is only bud and hardly any seed or stem, there are all qualities available, but most is AMMONIA laden crap to smuggle across borders...

Chamba I would expect a bit more education before you talk out your ass..

 

[droopy]

Update, 28 days after previous post (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 84 days ago (12 WEEKS), two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).


Those pictures :
- 84 days (12 weeks) under 12/12
- about 13 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged hence the longer time it takes for the plant to finish).

Comments :
- Trichome production started about 43 days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and is increasing more and more.
- Trichomes all are cloudy now while hairs have turned red.
- I pollinated it until now with a white rhino (nirvana) indica pheno, and with another paraguayan male as well but I got overwhelmed by the pollination process (will have way much more seeds than I wanted, lol)



Comments welcome !

(I did cut quite a few test buds, hence the lacks here and there)

Additional pictures :
- I'm growing some other paraguayans and at least one pheno seems interesting (the left plant with a nice lateral branching).

 

[hardhat22]

I did cut quite a few test buds, hence the lacks here and there

How was it?I wonder what the odds are of Paraguyan herb making
it's way to the U.S.?








Only difference is,you said Paraguayan exports are weak?Whatever this was,was very good,much better than mids with a psychedelic type buzz ,though they had far fewer trichs than yours.Do you feel that the amount of trichs have any bearing on the potency of S. American herb?Yours look great man.K+
Peace

 

[droopy]

Hi !

Well, I don't know much about Paraguayan exports.
First of all, Paraguay is an inland country (no frontiers along the sea).
Paraguay exports to Brazil & Argentina, Chile maybe too.
Other neighbors are Bolivia (I believe marijuana is being produced there extensively as well so there's no need to import from Paraguay) and a bit further Peru (same thing, I believe our beloved plant can be grown quite freely there).

The odds of Paraguayan MJ reaching the US are very low in my opinion (can't beat the MJ exported from Mexico) : by land it's impossible (too many countries to cross), and by sea, smugglers would need to cross Bolivia (easy), Peru (easy), load it onto a ship in Peru (probably starting getting difficult), then ship it to the US (very difficult).

Yes, yours look very similar to mine. I picked up the test buds quite early so the effect was not very strong, but yes, the psychedelic effect is quite strong (kind of delirium type of high).

As for the trichs and its impact on potency, I am not experienced enough to tell but if I was to answer, I'd say it has to have an effect on potency. But some boarders here are very knowledgeable about this (probably the answer is : trichs go for THC, resin goes for CBD ?).

As you can see, the various phenos all show a strong sativa influence.

Do you think she's mature enough so that I cut half of it ?

Peace

 

[droopy]

I really love to read about growers from all over the globe. Some of you ought to realise what a good time we are living in. We can access information imediately about anything we want. The Internet will go down in history with the Wheel, TV, Auto and Plane. This is the opportunity for the world to unite, for common people to live and and grow even further from each other and not have to rely on a proganda generator for information, news or even people's feelings.

I may state something here, but always realise that a statment is always a question. There are no absolutes anymore, only degrees of relativity. How one group of Paraguanians produces pot is probably as different as an American or European grower. The more isolated one farmer is from the others the more different it would naturally be. These guys are probably not even connected to the internet themselves, although I have absolutely no way of really knowing even that. Perhaps one fellow pees on his shit, another fella gets drunk on it and maybe the firtilizer building is the same place as the drying and preparing room. We all know what is in that stuff. I am usually overwhelmed by smells when I go to buy some gardening stuff myself.

Well, regarding the smell, there could be various explanations (there's not one only grower in Paraguay), nevertheless in many bricks the ammonia smell seems to be the same.
One possible solution would be to have a small part of the brick analyzed by a laboratory (it should cost about 50 bucks so I could do it... Only problem is to find a lab that is MJ friendly !).

As for internet, yes, we live an exceptional time.
I'd compare it with the invention of writing, invention of the egyptian papyrus, invention of the Roman volumen (first use of a "table of content" = quicker navigation), invention of the Gutenberg press... then internet.
Like every progress, it's a tool that can be used the good/bad way (you can use a car to visit peacely relatives or drive over the speed while influenced).

As for such forums, you find in them what you bring, meaning it's everyone's responsability to maintain a certain level (furthermore when it involves MJ : posters should be an example of peace).

 

[hardhat22]

Do you think she's mature enough so that I cut half of it ?

Not yet,especially not the one in the last pic.Looks like you still have alot of
new flowers.Are all of the pictures above of the same plant?

I harvested the above plant while it was still putting out flowers.I didn't know what to do because it had amber tricks on the older flowers,maybe 70% of the plant.So I cut the main kola at 97 days of flower and the rest at 129.Which was odd as my sats usually start finishing from the bottom up.In retrospect I'm reasonably sure I could have just harvested the finished foxtails and allowed it to continue flowering till she decided to stop.Maybe time will tell.
Yea,my plant come from brickweed,so God only knows where it came from.It was a fascinating grow,my first with foxtails,Lol.
Peace

 

[droopy]

Not yet,especially not the one in the last pic.Looks like you still have alot of
new flowers.Are all of the pictures above of the same plant?

Hi Hardhat ! The last two are of different plants. Only the first four photographs are of the same one.
I tested buds yesterday (quick oven dry...) : very clear "smiley" high, quite "acoustic" and "visual", not stoney.

I went to WeBeHigh.com and paraguay wasnt listed. What is it like over there with that kind of thing. I mean I know the USA makes everyone declare it illegal, but for some in reality it is a not a big deal.
You sound reasonably educated and write much better than most Americans, it makes me wonder what you are doing there. You sound as though you been there for 20 years or more. If that is too personal let me know and I will remove the post.

Hi. Following your message I visited webehigh and yes, Paraguay is not listed. Nevertheless, Paraguay is famous for being very very loose on law enforcement which has for result that this country is a platform for various illegal operations (like expensive cars stolen in neighboring countries tend to be driven over there, MJ production is made easy, ...).
Thanks for the compliment (if it was adressed to me... If not I'll take it anyway ), in fact I'm European (nationality can be guessed from my posts) living in the country completely south of the Americas but I've lived two years in California and one year in London as well (that helps).
Too, my job is related to books & writing so I try to do my best to write without too many spelling mistakes.
Education -for what it is- is all I have (got no car, don't own any real estate) !
Lol

 

[guineapig]

Thanks for the Paraguayan thread......this is International Cannagraphic indeed.....

I wonder about the history of Paraguayan cannabis cultivation.......interesting for sure.....stay safe in Paraguay!!!

kind regards from guineapig

 

[Chamba]

we are still not talking nonsense about ammonia being added on purpose are we?.....sheesh! what's next? cannabis makes men grow breasts, boil the roots for more resin and other stupid tales based on rumor not fact or experience..it's comments like this that dumb a site down into the same level that most other canna sites are ...full of non-growing wankers and kids with the only decent posts coming from cut and pastes from Overgrow or here lol...my suggestion is, if you don't know from first hand experience about a particular subject then please refrain from posting silly maybes based on rumors and ignorance..it reflects badly on this site


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anyone who even suggests or considers that ammonia is actually added to Paraguayan brick weed on purpose is loco

You are funny, I think you need to study up a bit more and maybe go see it for yourself.


What is your reasoning behind saying that the newspaper article from paraguay, every single person I know in South America, and myself are crazy for saying this?

since when is the media or the average brick weed buyer ever been an expert on things cannabis or even remotely nearly correct about anything on that subject?..the answer is never 98% of the time......the former is full of sensationalistic crap and the latter is usually full of old wives tales, rumors and misinformation..just like boiling the plant's roots after harvesting will increase resin or other unsubstaniated, untrue nonsense

I have smoked all sorts of brick herb. None from Mexico had ammonia, the ones from Paraguay vary from zero ammonia to harsh chemical smelling bricks. whoever said herb doesn't press well without water
or an additive is completely ignorant.

yeah, you can press a handful without any alcohol misting and it will stay relatively compact if it's bound right, but it's obvious you have had zero experience with the commercial side of things..try compressing two loose bucket fulls of bud that are remotely damp into the size of a phone book without misting with alcohol, wrap it airtight and then see what happens....it will expand and develop ammonia ...and chances are if you are doing this with export weight, the product is always less than perfect...some will be over dry, other tonnes you get to compress with be green and damp, some might be half ok..but the boss needs it compressed and packed as a plane is coming tomorrow...so pronto, pronto Pedro..press and pack it all now

I have smoked some high quality bricks from Paraguay with zero ammonia and they were all green and citrus smelling.

that only means not everyone there doesn't give a shit about quality...or by chance they compresed good quality resiny dried bud, not half dry bud......the thing is, when you compress a few ounces, you take care,,,,when you compress hundreds of kilo bricks per day and the buyer wants it yesterday then quality suffers, it's the same with any biz or product..

I've smoked bricks mixed with honey, bricks mixed with cognac, thank God I never has the displeasure of seeing that glassed bud from England, but I guarantee you, ammonia in *some Paraguayan bricks is so strong that it makes your eyes water and the stone is very intense even though the bud with ammonia is crap full of seeds and stems.


no one is denying that some brick bud smells of ammonia....ever notice whitish specks in these ammonia bricks too?..cos mold and piss smell are often seen together.....this piss/ammonia smell comes from fermentation due to the moisture in the bud when compressed...it's not added, and if they, according to you, do add ammonia..please enlighten us why?, for what purpose, rhymme or reason would anyone in their right mind do this?...if you can't, then be my guest and try this, get yourself a shoe box full of un-ammonia smelling bud, mist it with water, just a little to slightly dampen it, compress with a vice and wrap/seal it airtight brick style.....open it up in a few weeks and you'll notice that magically the ammonia smell is there...either that or some sneaky Paraquayan guy snuck in there and pissed on it or added ammonia and then re-sealed it when you weren't looking...

High quality brick from Paraguay is only bud and hardly any seed or stem, there are all qualities available, but most is AMMONIA laden crap to smuggle across borders...

of course it is, the crap always gets exported and the locals always get to keep the good stuff..it's the same with cheese, wine, ..everything!....but when you are talking tons, quality is a secondary concern.....meeting the deadlline is far more important, these guys don't smoke it, the buyers don't smoke it, the people they sell to don't smoke it....it's only the people who buy phone books of it that actually get around to smoke testing it ..if you are selling bud to locals, it would get bounced back at you if they had bricked up bud that wasn't not dry and it fermented....those big time gangsters and generals don't give a shit about quality, it's all about the profit...but local middlemen usually do as they have to

Chamba I would expect a bit more education before you talk out your ass..

well, I've given reasons why the ammonia smell is there and not added based on first hand experience a lifetime ago....please give us your version of "the ammonia additive method" based on your experience in smuggling, compressing bulk bud into bricks, packaging, transporting to other countries, quality etc ......we're all ears

and Droopy, although you are doing a great job keeping those girls healthy so far, I recommend you repot those plants out of those little coke bottle containers and into pots a gallon or two bigger.....you will triple your yield and have happier, healthier plants.

 

[guest123]

im amazed at how youve gotten those plants to survive so long in those bottles ...
sativas are typically a surface rooter , they dont need much depth but they like to grow lots of roots outwards not far from the surface of the soil ..
as chamba says u would be doing a lot better if u used a bigger pot ..
your lateral branching would be much increased if you let the plants develop the roots for them ..

 

[droopy]

Hi !

Well, I'm running approx. 20/25 plants (5 or 6 different strains) under a single 400W with about 3x2 ft, and I have both indicas and sativas, hence the small pots.
Nevertheless, I transplanted yesterday the two other big sativas (including the one with lateral branching) into a bigger pot.

About the ammonia smell, I won't comment anymore (others can if they wish !) : it makes sense that the smell comes from fermentation, best explanation in my opinion. The newspaper article in spanish tells it's ammonia added to dissolve the cellulosic fibers, but the same article tells Paraguay exports high quality weed (untrue... never ever saw good quality weed).
The only thing we can all agree on is whatever it is, it's bad for the health, that's for sure.

About the Paraguayan bricks, I've found two youtube videos made by Brazilians, about the "maconha" (weed) grown in Paraguay.

First, a bust of a farm with 12000 pounds of MJ (5 to 6 tons) in which it can be seen how the bricks are pressed (nice music too : "maconha" is weed and the song tells maconha my friend, my warrior, my dear, my cachaca -the alcohol-, my little, my capoeira -the dance-, my family ...). The bust took place in Capitan Bado where 50 to 80% of the people are involved into MJ production :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8VZiE5EYpnk

And another Brazilian investigation : the journalists cross the frontier with Paraguay at night without any control. Then they managed to meet a farm, and so on ...
Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uzyW__3yBUU
Part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6xo_xpJHGg&feature=related

 

[Tokermon]

Yeah, my lungs are still fucked up...the ammonia keeps the green bud from even molding, it's nasty shit, and you are correct, the trichs get dissolved and all you can smell is a very chemical ammonia smell, and the bud is many times wet, fucking disgusting, should not even be called MJ. However, this is why this thread is so cool, we can actually see what South America SHOULD be smoking, but due to archaic draconian laws and USA support, crackdown causes people to do the unimaginable, mix in poisonous chems to the herb to cross borders and hide it......SHAME..

shit they do that in the UK too! when it dries it goes very hard and crumbly, very dark green ect and tastes like a chemical factory. nasty shit.

 

[~CH9~]

Nice plants Droopy...