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Experiment : Brick seed from Paraguay
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First of all... Very interesting thread, im definitely going to check out how these develope! There seems to be lots of hybrization going over there based on the info I have collected from internet... Still im sure there are some cultivvators who have kept their traditional sativas "la pura" 
This pic caught my attention, it´s have such unique leafshape I havent found before and reminds me lots of mystery af sativadom I received seeds & growed them out last year. I have no info about my strains heritage and have lots of interest towards it, but this looks very promising indeed, check it out yourself guys/gals..
Doesnt these leafs indeed have some similarity?
Here are those plants, first comes the trained & seeded one´s, these are both pheno#1...
And some vertical plants, pheno#1:
Pheno#2
Pheno#3
Pheno#4
I think this "strain" could definitely have some Paraguayn heritage on them
What you guys think?
I did cross that pheno#1 with my only autoflowerin pollen at the time, which was Blcokhead, we didnt got any ,males from the bunch and every plant my friend did grow got af trait, but also hermied, most likely because of my friends mistakes with lightcycle, because I didnt got single hermie...
blan-k-flor said:Hi droopy. I think there was a lot of hybridization with indicas in Paraguay because of faster growing and flowering times. Luckily this one looks almost 100% sativa. The other I have (from Pedro Juan Caballero) seems it has some indica mixed. Some more pics from my sativa:
This pic caught my attention, it´s have such unique leafshape I havent found before and reminds me lots of mystery af sativadom I received seeds & growed them out last year. I have no info about my strains heritage and have lots of interest towards it, but this looks very promising indeed, check it out yourself guys/gals..
Doesnt these leafs indeed have some similarity?
Here are those plants, first comes the trained & seeded one´s, these are both pheno#1...
And some vertical plants, pheno#1:
Pheno#2
Pheno#3
Pheno#4
I think this "strain" could definitely have some Paraguayn heritage on them
What you guys think?I did cross that pheno#1 with my only autoflowerin pollen at the time, which was Blcokhead, we didnt got any ,males from the bunch and every plant my friend did grow got af trait, but also hermied, most likely because of my friends mistakes with lightcycle, because I didnt got single hermie...
Hi Herbalistic. First of all i got to say that your genetics always make me drol! The leaves of last pics and mine are pretty simmilar, i found some simmilarities with some senegalese strains in plant and leaf shape. I think maybe the first african slaves in South America brought their seeds with them to those latitudes 
Indeed they look quite similar. Mine is leaning more and more on the sativa side.
Nevertheless, I doubt the sativas in South America have for origins african ones (with the slave connection) for obvious coherent reasons. Having said that I don't know how many landraces exist or existed 50 years ago (probably in the 1000s?).
I'm growing more paraguayan seeds now (have about 10 running, and about 15/20 more coming) : they come from two different bricks (different seller, different taste & smell).
Update (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 26 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (showed hairs 11 days ago, took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures (I'm adding some other paraguayans to the sativa pheno) :
- 29 days under 12/12
- about 5 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
One of the bottom leaves (looking more indica)
One of the upper leaves (looking more sativa but that's the same plant)
The one I am keeping a diary of is on the far right :
Nevertheless, I doubt the sativas in South America have for origins african ones (with the slave connection) for obvious coherent reasons. Having said that I don't know how many landraces exist or existed 50 years ago (probably in the 1000s?).
I'm growing more paraguayan seeds now (have about 10 running, and about 15/20 more coming) : they come from two different bricks (different seller, different taste & smell).
Update (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 26 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (showed hairs 11 days ago, took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures (I'm adding some other paraguayans to the sativa pheno) :
- 29 days under 12/12
- about 5 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
One of the bottom leaves (looking more indica)
One of the upper leaves (looking more sativa but that's the same plant)
The one I am keeping a diary of is on the far right :
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Paraguay brick seed, sativa pheno
Paraguay brick seed, sativa pheno
Update (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 36 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (showed hairs 20 days ago, took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 36 days (5 weeks and 1 day) under 12/12
- about 6 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- It's the first time I grow such a sativa, hence my experience is limited.
- bottom leaves look more indica while upper ones are truly sativa (good for light penetration since I grow indoor, 400 HPS).
- pot is about 1.1 liter, I wonder if the roots will keep on growing (have been reading than sativas keep producing roots long after indicas). I'm probably about half way in the flower process, maybe should I transplant it (I think I'll do it) ?
- I got some other paraguayans growing but this is the only sativa one for now.
- a week ago, leaves were of a very light green color, so I gave a nitrogen boost and green got darker (among the 20 plants I'm growing right now that's the only one who needed a nitrogen boost but that's the most developped as well, strains I'm growing now are : paraguayan, white rhino nirvana, papaya, sweet kush, safari mix, ch9 aroma, ch9 green bud).
- I'll breed this sativa, probably with a male paraguayan sativa (if I find one), with a white rhino, with a sweet kush and with other varieties if I have the opportunity (I'll reveg it anyway, so I'll have enough flowers).
- Can it be considered that the sativa gene pool from this paraguayan is inherited from a paraguayan landrace ?
More updates soon.
Paraguay brick seed, sativa pheno
Update (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 36 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (showed hairs 20 days ago, took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 36 days (5 weeks and 1 day) under 12/12
- about 6 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- It's the first time I grow such a sativa, hence my experience is limited.
- bottom leaves look more indica while upper ones are truly sativa (good for light penetration since I grow indoor, 400 HPS).
- pot is about 1.1 liter, I wonder if the roots will keep on growing (have been reading than sativas keep producing roots long after indicas). I'm probably about half way in the flower process, maybe should I transplant it (I think I'll do it) ?
- I got some other paraguayans growing but this is the only sativa one for now.
- a week ago, leaves were of a very light green color, so I gave a nitrogen boost and green got darker (among the 20 plants I'm growing right now that's the only one who needed a nitrogen boost but that's the most developped as well, strains I'm growing now are : paraguayan, white rhino nirvana, papaya, sweet kush, safari mix, ch9 aroma, ch9 green bud).
- I'll breed this sativa, probably with a male paraguayan sativa (if I find one), with a white rhino, with a sweet kush and with other varieties if I have the opportunity (I'll reveg it anyway, so I'll have enough flowers).
- Can it be considered that the sativa gene pool from this paraguayan is inherited from a paraguayan landrace ?
More updates soon.
hardhat22
Member
A lot of people are noticing that.Motaco and I discussed it briefly in the ultimate Sativa thread.Some think that it is a normal sativa trait while some thinks it is an indication of indica genes in the mix.I lean towards it being indicative of hybridation as I occasionally grow longflowering sats that start and finish with thin leaves.droopy said:
Most sats will continue to grow roots,though not all.The largest bud I grew indoors was only in a 2 litre drink bottle.It had broken the soil down to dust and at chop there was only roots,peat moss dust and perlite.Root restriction is the most important tool to growing sats indoors,though 2 litres is extremely restrictive and may cause hermies in an unstable line.droopy said:
Hope you don't mind one more spectator.They're looking great.K+
Peace
J
Jack Crevalle
Paraguayan brick is worse than Mexican schwagg because they add so much ammonia, specially the commercial shit is dark brown and filled with seeds and stems, smells like shoe glue, disgusting.For months on end it's the ONLY weed available in Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, it's aplague... Exactly like the article says, the ammonia added destroys the buds smell and taste and adds weight to the shit, not to mention the cancer forming smoke you inhale, I swear my lungs are still fucked up all due to years of smoking that crap. My friends think I'm snobby when I go down and refuse to smoke their joints, that shit is disgusing, like glass weed in the UK,
that being said, THIS thread is awesome, because we can see what the herb should really be like, green, lime, menthol, delicious, good luck and grow on fumeta!
that being said, THIS thread is awesome, because we can see what the herb should really be like, green, lime, menthol, delicious, good luck and grow on fumeta!
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hardhat22
Member
I couldn't read the article.I have never heard of adding ammonia.Seems to me that the ammonia would dissolve the trichs,ruining the high.Thats just plain dangerous.No wonder you grow your own,Lol.Jack Crevalle said:
1987, my partners and I had a security issue and had to stash several lbs of green herb that we were in the process of manicuring.As the yard was full of cops,all we had time to do was put it in plastic trash bags and stuff them into our hidey hole.It was 3 days of 100 degree temps before we could retrieve it.As the first bag was opened the smell of ammonia took my breath away.It was all ruined and covered with a white mildew.We chucked it.Same smell I get from my compost when I don't keep it turned properly.
Peace
Jack, your avatar got me....I tried to smash the little bugger! lol
Update, 7 days after previous post (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 43 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 43 days (6 weeks and 1 day) under 12/12
- about 7 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- The 1.1 liter pot was replaced with a 2 liters one (3 liters bottle cut).
- Trichome production started a few days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and there even are small trichomes appearing on larger leaves.
- 43 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 43 days (6 weeks and 1 day) under 12/12
- about 7 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- The 1.1 liter pot was replaced with a 2 liters one (3 liters bottle cut).
- Trichome production started a few days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and there even are small trichomes appearing on larger leaves.
Hi droopy ! Your sativa are getting very nice! Here i got more material for investigation. My sativa from Pedro Juan Caballero *Paraguay*, flowering outdoor in winter at day 70 of flora *34°LS*. And pregnant with Kali Mist pollen 
! Your sativa are getting very nice! Here i got more material for investigation. My sativa from Pedro Juan Caballero *Paraguay*, flowering outdoor in winter at day 70 of flora *34°LS*. And pregnant with Kali Mist pollen 
Hola Blan-k-flor !
You're gonna get nice seeds it seems, congrats.
I started too making seeds with my sativa : for now, I just pollinated using a male nirvana white rhino indica pheno, but I'll use too : nirvana white rhino sativa pheno, sweet kush (probably the best genetic I have), and paraguayan pollen (I may have found a male paraguayan sativa, waiting for sex to be confirmed).
Update, 6 days after previous post (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 49 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 49 days (7 weeks) under 12/12
- about 8 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- Trichome production started about 10 days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and is increasing now.
Buds have been gaining some weight, not much (but that's normal, it's a sativa).
It seems it will finish quite quickly (in 3 weeks done ?) for a sativa ? Comments are welcome.
Same location today :
And a week ago :
You're gonna get nice seeds it seems, congrats.
I started too making seeds with my sativa : for now, I just pollinated using a male nirvana white rhino indica pheno, but I'll use too : nirvana white rhino sativa pheno, sweet kush (probably the best genetic I have), and paraguayan pollen (I may have found a male paraguayan sativa, waiting for sex to be confirmed).
Update, 6 days after previous post (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 49 days ago, two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 49 days (7 weeks) under 12/12
- about 8 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- Trichome production started about 10 days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and is increasing now.
Buds have been gaining some weight, not much (but that's normal, it's a sativa).
It seems it will finish quite quickly (in 3 weeks done ?) for a sativa ? Comments are welcome.
Same location today :
And a week ago :
J
Jack Crevalle
Yeah, my lungs are still fucked up...the ammonia keeps the green bud from even molding, it's nasty shit, and you are correct, the trichs get dissolved and all you can smell is a very chemical ammonia smell, and the bud is many times wet, fucking disgusting, should not even be called MJ. However, this is why this thread is so cool, we can actually see what South America SHOULD be smoking, but due to archaic draconian laws and USA support, crackdown causes people to do the unimaginable, mix in poisonous chems to the herb to cross borders and hide it......SHAME..
Update, 7 days after previous post (for the sativa pheno one) :
- 56 days ago (8 WEEKS), two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 56 days (8 weeks) under 12/12
- about 9 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- Trichome production started about 17 days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and is increasing more and more.
Buds have been gaining more weight since 1 week.
- Trichomes are mainly transparent, a few start being cloudy it seems. I'll probably chop once half of them are amber.
- I pollinated it until now with a white rhino (nirvana) indica pheno, and with another paraguayan male as well.
Included a comparison of buds at 6,7 and 8 weeks.
Comments welcome !
- 56 days ago (8 WEEKS), two paraguayans were placed under 12/12. One turned out to be a male (chop), this one is a female (took 18 days to show female sex under 12/12 and 16 days for the male sexed one).
Those pictures :
- 56 days (8 weeks) under 12/12
- about 9 weeks since seeds sprouted (it's almost a 12/12 from seed since I almost didn't vegged).
Comments :
- Trichome production started about 17 days ago (therefore about 5 1/2 weeks after 12/12 started), and is increasing more and more.
Buds have been gaining more weight since 1 week.
- Trichomes are mainly transparent, a few start being cloudy it seems. I'll probably chop once half of them are amber.
- I pollinated it until now with a white rhino (nirvana) indica pheno, and with another paraguayan male as well.
Included a comparison of buds at 6,7 and 8 weeks.
Comments welcome !
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Hola amigo ! Your sativa will have huge buds! She's developing very nice! Congrats!! How does she smells
! Your sativa will have huge buds! She's developing very nice! Congrats!! How does she smellsblan-k-flor said:Hola amigo
I smoke 30 cigs a day (bad) so my smell is not very good.
Nevertheless, it has a citric/lemony smell (like a bit acidic).
Yop, since a week (week 7 to 8) it seems that the plant focuses on packing weight to the buds.
I hope it will finish soon (got many plants going on but nothing to smoke, lol).
G
guest123
are u guys sure they add something to get that smell ,, id be leaning towards chambas post ..
i grow in the tropics , and have smelt that smell like ammonia many times from the local herb thats been harvested a bit mouldy ,or in the rain , never quite dried and then stored.. the smell almost cuts your nose when u put your head in the bag ...
strangely some folks find it a fond memory of the herb that was grown 20 yrs ago here by folks who didnt know how to handle the herb properly ...
i grow in the tropics , and have smelt that smell like ammonia many times from the local herb thats been harvested a bit mouldy ,or in the rain , never quite dried and then stored.. the smell almost cuts your nose when u put your head in the bag ...
strangely some folks find it a fond memory of the herb that was grown 20 yrs ago here by folks who didnt know how to handle the herb properly ...
wallyduck said:
Maybe Wallyduck (talking about this ammonia smell in those bricks), I have no answer for that.
The newspaper article I posted (in spanish) tells it's ammonia added, but meanwhile the same article tells about the high-grade paraguayan weed exported to Brazil and Argentina ( WHat ???!!! This I can assure that it's not the case : paraguayan weed that's being exported is very very low grade).
As far as now, there are 3 explanations for this smell :
- Paraguayans peeing on their plants for the nitrogen (mhhhh... I don't believe it, but it's what quite a bunch of people tell here in latin america...).
- Ammonia (or whatever formula close to it) added to the brick, to dissolve the cellulosic fibers and make it more compact (makes sense, maybe ?).
- bad curing, hence the smell (makes sense too, maybe ?).
Truth is either of those last two eventualities.
Best thing would be for someone to go to Paraguay and make an investigation with photos and so on... (I live nearby but I'm not in my 20s anymore... I could do it though).
