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Evolution
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Anyway, lets get back on topic.
Here is a new E sister and a Df3, an original D is sitting in a small pot on top. They are to be breed with H seeds which are yet to sprout tails. I think I have got the timing of this off a little, esp as I have that girl with 3 weeks left to flower (see previous post) and need to keep these in veg for at least that long yet with only one grow area and now they are too heavy to move (well its too hastley to move em now) as, well look I re-potted em.
well they needed it look
In the top pic the f3 is at the back with E at the front.
Now this thread slows down as I can't post pics of the next stage until it happens, so at this point Comments/Questions, hell even Flames are welcome,
Here is a new E sister and a Df3, an original D is sitting in a small pot on top. They are to be breed with H seeds which are yet to sprout tails. I think I have got the timing of this off a little, esp as I have that girl with 3 weeks left to flower (see previous post) and need to keep these in veg for at least that long yet with only one grow area and now they are too heavy to move (well its too hastley to move em now) as, well look I re-potted em.
well they needed it look
In the top pic the f3 is at the back with E at the front.
Now this thread slows down as I can't post pics of the next stage until it happens, so at this point Comments/Questions, hell even Flames are welcome,
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Well I guess this is of very limited interest, never mind, I'm having fun :smile:
Birth Dates are 19/03/05 Sorry English Dateing System,(come one I'm GMT) 23/03/05 & 02/04/05.
Latest pics :
As you can see I repotted the D (f1) the youngest plant.
The H seeds still havent sprouted. I think they may still be too fresh although this is getting to be a real pain. Everything is now on a roughly 13.5/10.5 lighting system.
Birth Dates are 19/03/05 Sorry English Dateing System,(come one I'm GMT) 23/03/05 & 02/04/05.
Latest pics :
As you can see I repotted the D (f1) the youngest plant.
The H seeds still havent sprouted. I think they may still be too fresh although this is getting to be a real pain. Everything is now on a roughly 13.5/10.5 lighting system.
I look in on each new post, still interested in this evolution and noticed the LST training two posts back. Why pinch, hack and screen your plant when you can just fool the auxins. Your suppercropping looks great you're makin caprichoso proud. How far are you going to go with this GMT?...perhaps to Z....beyond... Keep it up. 
Thanks for the motivation Packn, although there will always be a place in Nania for hacking and pinching, and next time I do a one plant yiled exercise I intend to combine both methods, I'm looking forward to trying that.
As for how far I intend to go with this, I think I'll just make this the thread I post what I'm upto on. After the I plants, (you know you can't wait for them either) it's going to be time to introduce new genetics into the the ExG line, the I line should be what I'm after and dont plan on playing with that any further unless I really feel it needs it. As you can see the D plants are nice already and I expect the H plants to be near perfect.
I have got about 10 seeds from the Do plant (top of page 5, (not sure if this will end up on page 6)), as I had lots of pollen and some pre-flowers only on that plant, so rather than pollinate the whole plant later like I did with F I went easy. I dont like the way this plant has gone though, LST on its own is really just scrogging with string, from really early on. I find (after my extensive experience of 1 attempt) that the main trunk stays fairly slender compared to supercropped plants, and I'm not sure how much of the reduced yield is due to the differnce in the crosses and how much is due to the methodology, so I need to play with these a bit more, and those seeds may be a good choice (or not depending on the smoke of their mother).
I posted pics last night but hers some more, pics arent up to much so I'll post in thumbnial, ya can always click anything for a better view.
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As for how far I intend to go with this, I think I'll just make this the thread I post what I'm upto on. After the I plants, (you know you can't wait for them either) it's going to be time to introduce new genetics into the the ExG line, the I line should be what I'm after and dont plan on playing with that any further unless I really feel it needs it. As you can see the D plants are nice already and I expect the H plants to be near perfect.
I have got about 10 seeds from the Do plant (top of page 5, (not sure if this will end up on page 6)), as I had lots of pollen and some pre-flowers only on that plant, so rather than pollinate the whole plant later like I did with F I went easy. I dont like the way this plant has gone though, LST on its own is really just scrogging with string, from really early on. I find (after my extensive experience of 1 attempt) that the main trunk stays fairly slender compared to supercropped plants, and I'm not sure how much of the reduced yield is due to the differnce in the crosses and how much is due to the methodology, so I need to play with these a bit more, and those seeds may be a good choice (or not depending on the smoke of their mother).
I posted pics last night but hers some more, pics arent up to much so I'll post in thumbnial, ya can always click anything for a better view.
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I was wondering if there was any negative aspects to the technique. I read Caprichoso's thread, which he calls it a form of supercropping in the fact that you're forcing growth from the nodes without stopping growth of the main kola, just slowing and redistributing growth energy. At least thats how I understood it. Sure I understand other methods still have their place. In fact I am going to top my plants soon. I still think LST is cool though, kind of ugly but cool.GMT said:
Yield, punch, taste is the final objective of project evolution...right...maybe the quest will never end or maybe the holy grail bud....hey you never know. At the very least you probably have something in your grow room that exists nowhere else on earth, which is the coolest thing of all. Rock on GMT.
ok this is my second attempt at this post after losing the first. Packn, my thoughts on LST are as follows, although I don't claim to be an expert on this subject. When you lower the main top to a point lower than the lower sites, rather than continuing to grow at at supersonic speed, it's growth hormones are redistributed to the new highest point or shared amongst several points at roughly the same height. This seems good news, but the growth at the old top really slows to an almost stop. The side shoots can also be tied down to completely control where new growth comes from and to keep the hieght of the overall plant very even and short, which is great where hieght is your most important consideration. By topping a plant, although you get a slight delay in the new tops forming and I've noticed with the plants I work with, a slight internodal stretch, this allows time for lower buds to catch up a little with their hieght. It also doubles the points from which nice buds can grow. Which in turn can be doubled again, and again. If you have the head room, as long as the plant will grow strongly enough, this can be done to the point you end up with
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Rougly the same result that your looking for from LST but a bit higher up with a far stronger plant.
sorry getting paranoid about losing this post, continued below...........
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Rougly the same result that your looking for from LST but a bit higher up with a far stronger plant.
sorry getting paranoid about losing this post, continued below...........
By pinching a young stem, just to the first point of give, as it repairs itself it will create a stronger stem, and the same on the branches, giving a far stronger plant with the ability to transport nutrients in a greater volume. By combining pinching and hacking and selective tieing, possibly for short periods of time, better yields can be gathered from far smaller numbers of plants where this is the main priority. Planting large numbers of plants fairly close together and letting them grow will be the most productive of all if you have the head room and yield is the main priority. It's all about deciding what's most important to the individual grower really.
The holy grail is all about the pursuit of the holy grail, not the grail itself.
Hehe, I finished trying all of the established strains I bought a about 3 years ago with the execption of the Armageddon which I wasn't into, everything else has been totally unique, and I must admit to really liking that. But rather than that, I have the closest thing to what I want that is on the market, (that I have tried that is, my perfect plant may be out there, but I aint got the time or money to try them all to find out). Everyone looks for something in particular from a smoke, and what best suits them will not suit someone else. I can't smoke any thing too sativaish, send me loopy and I dont enjoy it but saying that, black domina ( which is the ultimate smoke for inducing a coma) was tasteless and if this isnt a contradiction, too stoney. I need that punch but taste to go with it and maybe watered down just a little. Also the plant is suprisingly weak and poor producing.
Heres the daily up date
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I hope your clicking on photos I dont list as bad, the rest are worthy of an odd enlrgement here and there :smile:
The holy grail is all about the pursuit of the holy grail, not the grail itself.
Hehe, I finished trying all of the established strains I bought a about 3 years ago with the execption of the Armageddon which I wasn't into, everything else has been totally unique, and I must admit to really liking that. But rather than that, I have the closest thing to what I want that is on the market, (that I have tried that is, my perfect plant may be out there, but I aint got the time or money to try them all to find out). Everyone looks for something in particular from a smoke, and what best suits them will not suit someone else. I can't smoke any thing too sativaish, send me loopy and I dont enjoy it but saying that, black domina ( which is the ultimate smoke for inducing a coma) was tasteless and if this isnt a contradiction, too stoney. I need that punch but taste to go with it and maybe watered down just a little. Also the plant is suprisingly weak and poor producing.
Heres the daily up date
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I hope your clicking on photos I dont list as bad, the rest are worthy of an odd enlrgement here and there :smile:
Now just to keep this thread fully informed on these babies, Yesterday they had about 7 hours of light but today they had 13. After the 7 hours of light, they had 9 hours of dark. Tonight they will get about 13 hours of dark. 50/50ish still but not all that constant.
I have noticed a bit of stretching and this may be a consequence, though they are at that funny age where stretching is only to be expected anyway.
I have noticed a bit of stretching and this may be a consequence, though they are at that funny age where stretching is only to be expected anyway.
usawontstopme
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bad ass thread man i luv em pics. and plants...then again who dont best type i think cuz they give ya da knock out kind of stone dat nice and mind blowing keep up the great work.
GMT said:
Was this done on purpose?....I haven't heard of technique like this before. What's the idea behind this, if it is?
It was done semi-on purpose. I will be doing it a lot but not too sure how well I'll document it. Partly it is to prove that this alone does not create a plant to hermie but rather that that is in it's genetic make up. Also as I'm fed up of having the budding plant in there, and dont want to elongate the budding time of that by keeping the lights on for the little ones. But mainly I went out and wouldnt have been back to turn them off at the right time. It's time the babies stopped being given false expectations of their world anyway, and got used to short days and long nights.
Anyway, I am not going to update with pics tonight as there is a development happening I think and dont want to pre-empt the unvieling of this. I'll be back tomorrow.
Anyway, I am not going to update with pics tonight as there is a development happening I think and dont want to pre-empt the unvieling of this. I'll be back tomorrow.
Well it looks like the Df3(the tall one) is a male. I'll give hime another 24 hours to make sure, and then its time to play. I seem to remember something about water and paper, off to re-read some posts, here's some pics.
The suspected male .......... The E plant which will take off at sexing
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Now the LSTed (less early cuts now trich's are cloudy)
The suspected male .......... The E plant which will take off at sexing
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Now the LSTed (less early cuts now trich's are cloudy)
Chunk-o-buds lookin tasty. Are you going to pollenate this plant as well, or is the LST plant more for messing with just LST?
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Oh GMT, those look so nice and thick 
Gotta Love'em BudZ!
Gotta Love'em BudZ!
Man GMT, they look mouth watering! The large shot is just awesome - looks like an Alpine Peak!!! 
Ok one last nug shot from the off topic plant
Unfortunately the suspected male was found to be guilty. He was sentenced to life as a cutting in a glass of water in order to test something. The update on his health is not looking good. If he had a graph it would be going down.
The youngest plant the Df1 has been transplanted into the place of the Df3 and so the main pot now has a D and E plant in it as originally planned, just the original D rather than the new and (improved?) version.
The single seed that I had in soak from the above plant has cracked its shell but no tail as of yet. The seeds from the other plant have all failed to germ at this point, (about 8 tried now). I have breed seeds quite a number of times now and I have never before found seeds too fresh to germ and so I am still sceptical about this phenomenon although I am hoping that this is the situation with these seeds rather than the alternative of, I took the plant too early and the seeds aren't viable (which is my growing suspission).
I know all you want is photos so I'll update in a couple of days with the latest news.
Unfortunately the suspected male was found to be guilty. He was sentenced to life as a cutting in a glass of water in order to test something. The update on his health is not looking good. If he had a graph it would be going down.
The youngest plant the Df1 has been transplanted into the place of the Df3 and so the main pot now has a D and E plant in it as originally planned, just the original D rather than the new and (improved?) version.
The single seed that I had in soak from the above plant has cracked its shell but no tail as of yet. The seeds from the other plant have all failed to germ at this point, (about 8 tried now). I have breed seeds quite a number of times now and I have never before found seeds too fresh to germ and so I am still sceptical about this phenomenon although I am hoping that this is the situation with these seeds rather than the alternative of, I took the plant too early and the seeds aren't viable (which is my growing suspission).
I know all you want is photos so I'll update in a couple of days with the latest news.
Not Ready For Primetime Buds
Not Ready For Primetime Buds
TV set drying operation..hmmm...bud boob tube. "Well actually I use the CRT method of drying, it is a very expensive Cathode Ray Tube drying medium." I love it!
Look at that last pic "The Off Topic" It looks like a Voodoo doll; 2 eyes, nose, leaf for a tongue, leaf on each arm and legs, and a blond spiked haircut.....damn stoners
Not Ready For Primetime Buds
TV set drying operation..hmmm...bud boob tube. "Well actually I use the CRT method of drying, it is a very expensive Cathode Ray Tube drying medium." I love it!
Look at that last pic "The Off Topic" It looks like a Voodoo doll; 2 eyes, nose, leaf for a tongue, leaf on each arm and legs, and a blond spiked haircut.....damn stoners
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