Endless sky 400w DWC

[Illadelph]

Dumped the res again tonight, and added nutes, I did 1.5 tsp/gal and it ended up being at 1100 PPMS, which is about 925 if you subtract the PPM value of the tap water. I actually took a gallon back out of the res, and replaced it with a gal of plain tap, to try to bring it down a little more. I'm trying to reach around 950 PPMS total. Thats about what it was before the dump last night, and they seemed to be handleing it okay. It was about 1150 last time right after I had added that Kool Bloom, and I think that was a little too much for them.

How many days of flush should I do before harvest? For the final flush, should I replace the plain tap water with fresh tap water every day? or do you think that is excessive?

Hope I can get some answers for that question, and the ones in my last post.

Probably won't be many Pics or updates for a few weeks until things start to ripen up, assuming everything goes smoothly and I don't have any problems I need help with, So I figured I'd try to keep things interesting in here. Since many of the subscribers have mentioned that ES is one of there favorite strains, or one that they want to grow in the future, I was thinking those of you out there who have had the pleasure of smoking this stuff could name some strains that they definitely liked it better than. This is my first time growing it, so I haven't tried it yet, otherwise I'd start us off. I'll be interested to hear what strains people mention.

Also, I planted a single bag seed from that Jack Herer that I've mentioned, because I want to grow it after my next cycle of this ES. I'm hoping that the one seed that I'm trying to germ (in paper towel) will turn out to be a female, so I can make it a mother and take cuttings from it to flower out after I flower out these ES clones. If it Germs, I'm going to put it in a 2 Gal bucket set up like the one I am using for my ES mother (see picture below.) I'll flower a cut off of it when I flower the ES, to see if the single seed turned out to be a female. If its not, I still dont know what i'll grow instead, I have a bunch of different seeds from Nirvana Standard I could try instead. I really wanted to grow this Jack Herer though. But anyway, the reason I mention it is because it is something to stay tuned for because I'll update you on how that goes.






You get the idea, you've all seen it before.


Also plan on making moves on those extra intake holes for the mother cab this weekend, So i'll update on that too. Hopefully I get around to it, this outdoor "Blueberry" I been having keeps me on the couch.

 

[algrow12]

I wouldn't ph it just run it over night dump and refill.I change my res every week but I have also gone like 4 weeks with out doing a res change and I think the plants did better when I change out the res once a week. From the looks of it I think they can take the full dose of nutes. Oh and Yes flush Like this every time you do a res change.I have done a jack herer before it was cinnamon by female seeds it was a good yeilder. I have never done the es or tried it.I just droped me some new seeds today ch9s flower,aroma and flying dutchmans sk#1. So I should have some pics of that soon.

 

[Illadelph]

Nice, thanks for the answers, Many days should I flush before harvest? I did 14 Last time, but am wondering if 21 might be better, or too much? I never knew jack herer was suppost to be a good yeilder, i thought it was a quality over quantity type of thing. What do you condsider a full dose of nutes? 2tsp/gal? I checked out those CH9 genes, they seem pretty hard core.

 

[algrow12]

I would not flush but like 3 days at the most we aren't growing in soil and when you just put water in the res you only have water in the res.I think if you take all the nutes away from your plants in the final days when the swelling real starts you are just killing your yeild thats my 2 cents as far as dose goes I would put 1 and 3/4 tsp in

 

[Illadelph]

What about decreasing the light to 8hrs a day for the last 2 weeks? the theory is that if it mimics the days getting shorter and signal the plant to produce more resin. They say the same about cold temps. Do you buy into that theory or would you suggest stay at 12hrs of light till harvest?

 

[algrow12]

I say try it I have also heard of leaving them in the dark for 72 hrs but haven't done it I have cut back the light to give a 10 hrs on but can't really tell if it help

 

[Illadelph]

I did it last time with the bubba kush, Nirvana recommends doing it with her white widow, so it says in the seed descripton. You are sure about a 3 day flush though?

That jack herer bag seed sprouted, (forgot to take a pic) so I put it in a peat plug and threw together another one of those buckets. I'll have to get an air pump for it tomorrow.

That ES mother is growing like... well, a plant. Particularly a weed. Go figure.

Lights for my flowering ES just about to come on, I expect that all is still well.


Edit: 15 min later

A Few ES Flower Shots under the HPS

Getting Sticky and Stinky

algrow was right, they really do bulk up 2 days after a flush, will they grow like that every week if i flush once a week?

Been having to tie more and more of the buds to the stalk they are getting so heavy.


all is well on the clone front too






here is what the ES mom used to be:


this is her now



Notice the yellow leaf on the bottom left. Nitrogen Deficientcy? I've since bumped up the nutes to around 500ppms, and its been doing fine (happened about a week ago) or do the bottom two leaves always die off like cotyledens?



Do I need to PH the tap water I put in my bubble cloner? I change it weekly.

This strain flowers for 10 weeks, so far its been 5. Until what week do the buds keep getting fatter?

Drilled a 3" intake hole for the mom cab, will see if that makes enough of a difference. Gunna drill em 1 by one until I have enough. Probably will need a few more.

 

[algrow12]

Im sure about the flush. But you have clones and like I said before I don't do clones. so if I was you I would try this time with a 3 day flush next time do a 5 day and just see if you can tell.Lets see a full shot of the flowering es I want to see the humbolt shit how good it works.they will bulk up like that till like the last to weeks then I don't belive it will be as noticable to you.but still do it.don't ph the water before you put in the f/n on the clone give it the same 8 ml a gal also you will get masive growth out of it.looks a lot better this grow.have you flushed the clone yet for one day?

 

[Illadelph]

What up algrow, as always, a pleasure to here from you and share your wisdom. The flowering ES is from seed, in a cab i bought. The mother is a clone in the home built bucket, in the home built cab, not sure if thats what humbolt means. Sorry a lil slow on the uptake. I havn't flushed the clone yet, changed the water once but didn't flush between. Will upload a some pics when the lights come on in 3 hours, as requested. What kind of pics do you want? I'll take a variety of angles. Last night I "tied up" a lot of the bigger buds so they would be up in the canopy because the weight was holding them down. You'll see what I mean by "tied up" when you see the pics.

just to clarify, this is my second grow ever, first grow with ES. Very First Grow was Bubba Kush, but thanks, this grow sure does look better than the last, which was just one problem after the next.

 

[algrow12]

No I was talking about the bushmaster thats a humbolt product line. I just wanted to see if it stoped the growth rate. I looking for something I can use to stop mine from streching so much. like I said before I just give mine 7 days veg and you see the monsters take off. I just wish I could find some way to make it bud more and not strech so much so i can keep it more in the light.

 

[greenatik]

algrow - a product I used sure did the trick - The Stimul8r. kinda pricey but makes it produce tighter nodes for sure

also if u use clones and you have a mother. try flipping the mother to flower till pistils, then clone, veg for a week, and they seem as if they never skip a beat.

 

[Illadelph]

Oh, the bushmaster, Yeah, works well for me. Hasn't grown another inch since i added it, and I didnt ever replace it after I changed the water soon after. Maybe they just stop getting taller after they start to bloom for a while. They say its supposed to turn verticle growth into side growth, but it seems to halt verticle growth all together. So if you just want to slow it down, it might not be the right thing, but if you want to keep it at a particular hight, seems to do the trick. I was told the active ingredient is kelp and all kelp products will do a similar thing. I imagine in soil it might just slow it down temporarily if you only use it once. Also, i dont go by the dosage on the bottle, whatever it is. I do (if i remember right) 2.5 tsp for 10gal of water.

while we are on the subject of additives, anyone ever find that Kool bloom does what it says it does on the label?

My mother has pistils on it, wasn't sure if it was a good thing, i guess because i took the clone after switching to 12/12, the clones were then under 24hrs for some time after that though, and have been since, and still grew pistils when I planted it, even though it didn't have them as a rooted clone. (and the donors hadn't shown sex yet)















^^^Frosty One^^^



some pics

about 5 weeks till they start coming down

One of my plants is producing much more resin than the others. Good pheno? I have a clone from that plant (or 2) but its not the one i have as the mother, that clone was taken from the biggest fastest growing female. We'll see how the smoke compares, might have to flower the current mother and make the sticky one the new mother for this strain.

Oh, how could I forget my (hopefully) future jack herer mother. It poked through the surface today. Since it was commercially grown (I think) i'm thinking the reason it has seeds is because a female clone hermed, so maybe they are feminized seeds. That'd be nice. (it was some good smoke too, i have to say the best i've had) Let me go take a picture and edit it in.

 

[algrow12]

you ever thought bout cutting off the big fan leaves to let more light get to the bottom buds and move more air around the plant? Hint Hint. I may try both this grow I have a friend that can give me both of them for free. I have used the kool bloom I can't tell it does anything.the only thing I have seen with my on eyes is the res change trick now that really works for sure.

 

[Illadelph]

Ya, I think about it all the time, but someone told me that its better to leave them because they are absorbing light and providing food and energy to the buds they are connected too. No? Ya, that res-change trick damn sure does work.

My think with the kool bloom is that it doesn't contain anything that the FN doesn't have, its all the same shit just in a different ratio. Don't know if that means it doesn't help, i dont know how these things work, but i hear what you and Freezerboy were saying about how they like to sell you stuff you don't need to make money.

Where you @ Freezer? havn't heard from you in a minute.

 

[Illadelph]

So should I cut some fan leaves off tonight? anyone who has grown this indoors ever notice that it is sensitive to heat? they are always bitching about it to me. Leaves curling up around edges like a canoe, but not severely. What is ideal air temps? mine are prob high 70's.

 

[algrow12]

my buddy works at a hydro store and before he got a job there he said they got him good.now he gets to try out stuff for free. He said he had somethings he wanted me to try so I may try them this time.the cool bloom is a flower booster but I think the f/n has it covered the plant is only going to take up so much and leave the rest.If it was me I would trim the big fans and make hash out of it so you will already know about how potin it is. I have tried it both ways and like trimed better I know for sure the smaller buds do get fatter when you let the light in from trimming the big fans and you look like you have pleny of big ones shading the lower buds

 

[Illadelph]

Ya, i had been thinking about it and I think in most of the pics I see here on IC the fan leaves are trimmed. I'll do some trimming tonight.

what was some of the stuff he wanted you to try?

 

[algrow12]

phosphoload,stimul8r I can't remember what else

 

[Illadelph]

Trimmed some fan leaves. Not sure if you meant the ones comming out of the buds or the ones just coming out of the stalk. Trimmed some of each. But I hesitate to cut the ones coming out of the buds because of the idea that they are providing the buds they are attatched to with food. Started with the ones with burn damage, mostly lower.

Camera battery charging so no pics for now. They are starting to smell, not that its a bad thing, i noticed the stickier plant smells a little different. Can't wait to smoke some of that shit. It all smells pretty dank though. My bubba kush doesn't smell anything like it did on the stalk after it was dry, or smokable 10 days later, but i guess it has to do with chlorophyl breaking down and shit. But what i mean to say is that it smelled better while it was still "alive" on the plant.

So which fan leaves did you mean? and where the hell did everyone else go, seems like its just you and me in here now. Well, thanks for sticking around.

Should I be trimming my ES mother in any way? I suppose it would help it bush out more, but its pretty bushy already, and I don't think I'll need to take more than a few cuts off of it at a time.

The potential Jack Herer Mother is doing well. Stretched a little today, so I moved it closer to the lights (CFLs), it was pretty far away. Could just be the genetics though, but I doubt it based on the distance it was from the lights. Its growing "like a plant" though. Has a nice tap root coming out the bottom a few inches. Suppose I should add some nutes soon. Gunna 1 day flush the ES mother soon.

So I should flush the Flowering ES once a week? and they will have a growth spurt like that every time? Or should I do it every two weeks? I only ask because its a pain in the ass to siphon all the water out two days in a row, if once a week won't yeild me noticably more than every two weeks. Let me know? cuz its been a week.

What method of making the trimmed fan leaves into hash do you suggest? I'm not trying to do anything crazy. Usually I make cannabutter out of the trim, but I have plenty of that in the freezer and probably need more leaves to make a worthy batch.

 

[algrow12]

don't trim the ones coming out of the buds Yet.they will get big in like a week but never get as big as the fan leaves.I take all of the fan leaves and sometimes take the smaller ones coming out of the buds if there blocking the light they go.Look at some of my pics. I trim like once a week sometimes 2 times just don't try to take to many at one time. best way I have found to make hash is ISO alcohol you just freeze the leaves for 2 hours and put them in a coffee fillter and dip the fillter into a bowl of alcohol for 45 sec and then put the bowl somewhere (I like outside in the grill)to evaporat the alcohol and what you have left is hash I have also started to use everclear 190 proof.it is alot more cost wise but people say they like it better I would also get a pyrex bowl it makes getting the hash out alot easier.I would top the mother to make more clone sites and I would flush maybe every 10 days on the mother it shouldn't shot up like the ones in flower do.I just looked at my new babies today I have 3 alittle behide you but I think i will catch up fast