happyinmendo
Member
Police can simply request power bills and it is not private. They look over broad lists of kwh listings and the bigger ones stand out. They look into that.
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drow
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Macster2
Member
Tks bubbabud for the link but generators are still useful under rare circumstances.and are still noisey,smelly and expensive and as far as I'm concerned still do little to enhance security.Just my .02$
However I guess if you live in Austin Texas.......
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dongle69
pugnacious
Active member
In my time on ICMAG this subject has come up so many times and has been discussed from every point of view imaginable. Where I left off and concluded is that if your electric company is state/county ran or private electric company, and what part of the country you live in.
Believe it or not there is some very conservative parts of California and there are also liberal areas that have state ran electric companies i.e (san diego, 5 years ago they did a massive raid where an innocent family was raided because of electric usage, it is still talked about till this day on icmag). No one knows the source of these raids. Its looking like a internal rat problem. But could be neighbors or electric company.
PG&E for an example is a private company that doesnt drop dimes from what I know. SF county is also a growers haven. Oakland and Berkley is also, but your most likely to get raided by home invaders then cops there. Now you got little hick towns between sacramento and stockton where theres been huge raids.
Im not familar if the electric companies in that area are private or state ran but im pretty sure that area is way more conservative then the other areas I listed. Its all depends on what region. If some grower in the bible belt gets raided because the electric company drops a dime, that doesnt mean us california folk need to be sweating bullets. And vice versa, if we get away with it, it doesnt apply to someone that lives in jesus country.
Just do some local research in your area. Find out about past grow busts in the area. And find out what kind of electric company you are using.
Believe it or not there is some very conservative parts of California and there are also liberal areas that have state ran electric companies i.e (san diego, 5 years ago they did a massive raid where an innocent family was raided because of electric usage, it is still talked about till this day on icmag). No one knows the source of these raids. Its looking like a internal rat problem. But could be neighbors or electric company.
PG&E for an example is a private company that doesnt drop dimes from what I know. SF county is also a growers haven. Oakland and Berkley is also, but your most likely to get raided by home invaders then cops there. Now you got little hick towns between sacramento and stockton where theres been huge raids.
Im not familar if the electric companies in that area are private or state ran but im pretty sure that area is way more conservative then the other areas I listed. Its all depends on what region. If some grower in the bible belt gets raided because the electric company drops a dime, that doesnt mean us california folk need to be sweating bullets. And vice versa, if we get away with it, it doesnt apply to someone that lives in jesus country.
Just do some local research in your area. Find out about past grow busts in the area. And find out what kind of electric company you are using.
A subpoena can be nothing but a form filled out by a lawyer. They're very easy to produce you know.
Macster2
Member
A formed filled out by a lawyer and then signed by a judge where enough evidence must be supplied to justify said subpoena and then be able to be challenged by a crafty lawyer.
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dongle69
I just used my computer to print out a warrant for your arrest.
Charges?
Paranoia and stupidity.
I'm sure the judge will throw the book at you once he sees how cool the font is.
i guesstimated what wattage a kiln, a tv/stereo and room lights would use. i've used kilns in apts and see no diff between it and a small house. i doubt if there are many of us living in a 3k sq ft house...
pkerr32586
New member
wanna start a list of high power usage items
wanna start a list of high power usage items
i was thinkin about items that people use that use a lot of power that meter people could see. oviously these items would be decoys that u dont really use
1. A/C's that go in windows
2. hot tubs. and they r used year round..................
any other ideas
wanna start a list of high power usage items
i was thinkin about items that people use that use a lot of power that meter people could see. oviously these items would be decoys that u dont really use
1. A/C's that go in windows
2. hot tubs. and they r used year round..................
any other ideas
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KMK0420
if your grow is consuming under 2,000 watts, that's nothing suspicious at all. some space heaters at full power range from 1-2k watts. mine is 1200 on full power.
there is not ONE legal way for cops to retrieve private bills like that unless somehow notified something illegal is going on, and for that, they have to have evidence....material witness, neighbor who smells something, etc.
if there was no true evidence aside from a higher electric bill, what they did was against the law. a good lawyer would have the case thrown out.
now, there is a lot of "unseen"...dude may have had other shit sucking up 5,000 watts more you never know...
even if your elec. bill is $50 a month and it goes to $250 a month, its just a spike in activity. there is nothing they can do to prove it has anything to do with growing weed. it could be large appliances, using electronics that consume 24/7, etc.
there is not ONE legal way for cops to retrieve private bills like that unless somehow notified something illegal is going on, and for that, they have to have evidence....material witness, neighbor who smells something, etc.
if there was no true evidence aside from a higher electric bill, what they did was against the law. a good lawyer would have the case thrown out.
now, there is a lot of "unseen"...dude may have had other shit sucking up 5,000 watts more you never know...
even if your elec. bill is $50 a month and it goes to $250 a month, its just a spike in activity. there is nothing they can do to prove it has anything to do with growing weed. it could be large appliances, using electronics that consume 24/7, etc.
Sorry, wrong. A subpoena may be signed by a judge, but not necessarily. There's a difference between a subpoena and a warrant. This would be a civil matter subpoena duces tecem.
It seems remarkable to be called stupid by a person who is so wrong. You really need to review court procedures for issuing civil subpoenas, because reality is the lawyers just fill out a form and deliver it. It is withing their purview as officers of the court. Again, there's a difference between a warrant and a subpoena. There's a difference between criminal and civil.
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dongle69
There is a difference between hot and cold, too!
Contact PG&E with your fake subpoena and see how far you get.
Growing weed is fun!
You should try it sometime.
Contact PG&E with your fake subpoena and see how far you get.
Growing weed is fun!
You should try it sometime.
CaptainTrips
Active member
I knew someone in california, they had never grown weed, and certainly no weed was being grown in the house. Got a visit from the the drug task force and about 10 officers. I doubt anything was signed by anyone. They said they got a "tip", and due to high electricity usage..... Its an old big house and electric bill goes over $400 in the summer.
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dongle69
Too many holes in that story to be valid.
CaptainTrips
Active member
Think whatever you want. I was there when they showed up. There have been many documented cases of police/task forces showing up where no weed is being grown.
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dongle69
But they didn't get the the PG&E records without a warrant or subpoena.
