Easiest way to make hash! Quick Wash ISO!

[Bumble Buddy]

Shook 21g of dried sour pheno Bogglegum trim for 5 minutes in 10 fluid ounces of 91% ISO, dried on double burner in 30 min, got 2.2 g of bubblegum-marjoram scented tasty goodness. Tastes great, smoke seems really cough inducing, maybe from the long shake? Think it may just be my throat today though. Whoa I'm blasted

 

[Wfw1]

Looks good, Nah oil is just harsh alot of the time. It looks good, no green at all I'm a little surprised cause that is a few mins in the solution but hey what ever works.

 

[Bumble Buddy]

Was wondering if there was green or what in that oil. Decided to shake my batches longer after checking some of the leftover plant matter from 10 to 30 second shakes, there were still plenty of trichome heads left. The oil seems to me more flavorful with a longer wash, its probably a trade off between flavor and harshness plus undesirable flavors creeping in, though I haven't smelled an aroma degradation with 5 min washes. The oil is darker with a longer wash, also the heat from the double boiler maybe makes it a bit darker.

Dried the leftover plant matter from that last batch there, on cursory inspection it appeared like normal trim with some small buds, it had only a bland leafy/grassy aroma (it had a nice strong aroma before the wash); it looked normal with a 15x magnifying glass except almost all of the trichome heads were gone.

One tip for easily squeezing the ISO/oil mixture from the buds with little waste is to use a french press coffee maker used the small one from Bodum, worked well for the 21g of trim I had, if there were too little trim you wouldn't be able to press it because the press-screen part doesn't go all the way to the bottom of the container. Was easy to pour off the ISO/oil from the press through a coffee filter.

 

[billy_big_bud!]

thanks for the pictorial amigo, that helped alot. question....... do you have to use a golden harvest jar?

 

[irieeyes808]

Purple ISO

Purple ISO

Hey there mafia nice thread been following for some time now this is so much fun who needs a bubble bag. I am using some Bubba that went like 80 something days good stony stuff the end product came out purple to a very amber color depending on how long I let it wash.

 

[Bumble Buddy]

Whoa, the oil residue pattern complements the glazing painted on the plate.

 

[zomboweed]

fuck... in italy it's impossible to find iso without denaturing agent .... U have to take a permission from authorities....

somebody help ?

 

[Wfw1]

You will have to find another solvent to try with then obtaining iso won't be worth the effort for you

 

[zomboweed]

I think isopropilic is the best.... ethilic didn't work good for me... someone help?
cause I found some isopropilic in gas, 400ml, in electronic store, but don't know if it's pure or not.

 

[Haps]

Good thread, well worth the effort to read through. I first made iso in one of the little ISO2 space ship machines in 78, we used to cook it for a long time, so I am updating my concepts.

1. Does anybody deoxicarbolate the herb first? In my green milk experiments this makes a huge potency difference.

2. Anybody use this to make tincture or topical rub? Any good results? My old man has pain I would like to relieve him of.

3.Anybody using this orally? As in what R Simpsons method more or less?

4. Is that enough fucking questions?

Thanks,
H

 

[Gray Wolf]

I deoxicarbolate by cooking the oil after butane or hexane extraction in alcohol to cook off the solvents and to deoxicarbolate. That is also a handy time to isomerize as well, if you wish.

I use it as a tincture and a topical rub, as do the cancer patients I supply it to. It works well either way.

I use it orally, as do the cancer patients in the program and one uses it topically as well. I supply it as a tincture or re-infussed into glycerin, or sesame, almond, walnut, olive, or avocado oil. I've found that Simpson's style sticks to the teeth and everything else it touches.

I have also soaked hash or powdered bud with it before pressing into buttons.

Gray Wolf

 

[flexo]

guys whats "deoxicarbolate"?

I googled it, yahoo, went to dictionary but still no luck?

Is the spelling wrong...... please define?

thanks!!

 

[nycdfan042]

i made quite a bit of qwiso ever since i caught wind of this thread and ive made som decent iso, some bad iso, and some incredible iso. The best iso i ever made was light golden blond in color and when i gathered it all together put a flame to it it had a darker amber final color and the end product got as hard as candy(jolly rancher), broke off in shards like galss. The not so good iso ive made was dark brown almost black, was gummy and wet, never really hardened at all(this is my least favorite qwiso ive made). I dont know what i did wrong or right, but all i know is the lighter colored harder stuff was way better, i dont know if it was the strain, something i did wrong in the process, or if it was the wrong ISO i used. I always do the qwiso the same way, with the same equipment the only thing that changes consistently is the strains i use. here are a few shots of qwiso ive made over the years :

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BEST ISO I EVER MADE

^^ decent qwiso

^^ REALLY GOOD QWISO

^^^^^^^^^^^^ THE BEST!

 

[Papulz]

almost looks like rosin

 

[Haps]

Flexo, I probably have it spelled wrong, means to heat it to convert the cbg I think over to thc, this can up to double potency, if you also have efficient extracton, which is not a given. I heat in a 325 toaster oven for 5-8 minutes depending on how much I am using, it does not quite get to 325, but close. Makes a huge weed stink.

Thanks old wolf, I will give it a few tries, the topical rub is what I need. Was hoping I could mix it with glycerin, do you take all the alch out before mixing that?

H

 

[flexo]

thanks for explaining the process Haps,
I'll have to try that in the future.

always learning new things here, icmag rocks

 

[Bumble Buddy]

Oil Refinery

Oil Refinery

Refining my oil washing technique:

Took the frosty trim/buds and crushed them uniformly removing larger stems, previously I've sort of just tossed it all in the jar chunks and all, figured I'd get the ISO to go further this way. Trying to find the optimal amount of herb to use with a 16 oz. bottle of ISO.. tried 43g of the shake in a quart jar this time, filled the jar about half way. Poured in the whole 16 oz. bottle of 99% ISO, it easily covered all the herb, could have put more in there. Shook the jar for 5 minutes then strained it and gave a good squeeze with a french press coffee maker then through a paper coffee filter. The silicone spatula I use to remove the soaked herb from the quart jar and the french press is visible there, makes things much easier as nothing sticks to it:



It took an hour to drip through the coffee filter into the measuring cup. I was tempted to just pour it through the metal strainer as the french press and the strainer are very fine, glad I didn't because there was a mass of very fine sawdust like material that gathered in the paper filter. Evaporated the ISO on a double boiler, took 45 minutes with a fan nearby. The oil is great (from various strains), smooth, tastes like gummy menthol. Got 3.5 g of the goodness

 

[Bumble Buddy]

oil spill

oil spill

Made another batch, used 44g of the same trim used in the previous post, used the same process as above except for: increased the shake time from 5 minutes to 8, shook it a bit harder, and used 91% alcohol instead of 99%, got a higher yield % of 4.5g:


Well, it gets me high and I'll smoke it cause its what I've got, but honestly its kind of gross tasting and not so great, which is in stark contrast to the previous batch which was divine to smoke and just bursting with nice flavors. There is a sort of flavor that reminds me of the aroma from a test pressing of the leftover weed shake from an ISO hash oil run I did once, took the alcohol soaked shake and put it in a jar with water, shook it, then pressed out the moisture and evaporated it. The resulting product was GROSS!!! it had an extremely cloying sweet odor of prunes and gave me a headache... that is the flavor I can taste a little bit in this oil, kinda nasty. I'm blown away by the huge difference in quality from the same batch of shake with such small differences in the process used...

I've made some good batches with the same brand of 91% ISO using 5 minute shake, so I'm a little confused as to what happened, its like it suddenly hit a critical point that leached out some nastiness. I had been wondering what the numerous complaints about QWISO I'd been seeing on the boards because mine had always come out nice, now I can understand some of that.

Will stick to using the 99% ISO as that has always seemed to work better anyhow.

 

[BudMasterzero]

just made some using 5g of schwag weed shake. Removed the seeds and stems and crap. Then ground it up, put it in a mason jar and used about 1/2 cup of 91% iso alcohol. Shook the mixture about 20 secs then strained. while I was doing this I got a small amount of water going on the stove and when I was ready put the plate on and poured the strained mix in. Then really about 5-10 mins later the stuff was dry and not liquid was present. Used a razor to scrap the stuff off the plate. Now time to smoke a bit. Didn't get much but it looks like cheap schwag iso. Not bad for starting out as a bunch of shit.

 

[Gray Wolf]

The short answer is that it converts the THC acids present in the plant material into THC, which adds to potency and takes out some of the lung tickle.

The longer answer is eloquently outlined in pages six through fifteen of Marijuana Chemistry by Michael Starks, where he covers the latest state of the art 1977 research findings, which suggests that CBD is the plants precursor to THC and CBN is THC's immediate dehydrogenized degradation product.

Those cannabinoids are present in fresh plant material only in their acid forms and require heat to convert to their pure forms. Burning converts most of them, but not all. Conversion ahead of time insures their complete conversion and makes them orally active.

The acids in material that has been well aged may have already decarboxylated, as time and temperature are both involved in the reaction and more temperature just speeds it up.

There are a lot of things that can be done with cannabis oil beyond just smoking it as is. Starks also outlines dropping the Ph during the hot cycle and also isomerizing the CBD’s into THC, to further raise the potency. Depending on the strain, it can be several times more potent after isomerizing.

In Cannabis Alchemy, D Gold outlines how the THC thus extracted can also be converted to its acetate, which doubles its potency from 7.3 on the Adam’s scale to 14.6 and increases its over all weight in the process.

Gray Wolf

Edit: Hi ya'll!

This 2009 post recently came up again and I noticed my error. Subsequent research sugests that CBC is the precursor for both CBD and THC.

guys whats "deoxicarbolate"?

I googled it, yahoo, went to dictionary but still no luck?

Is the spelling wrong...... please define?

thanks!!