Earth Juice Users

[treefrog]

I agree that a more moderate approach would be better. I had fucked up and not added any nutes to some soil I was reusing. The plants yellowed out badly a few weeks into flower. I was hoping a few watering s with high doses of the grow would green them back up. Not even close.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

I have found that a rate of 3 tbsp per gallon of the grow will not green up an N deficient plant. I hadn't used the grow in awhile, but recently tried it on an N hog. What's it going to take, 4, 5, 6 tablespoons? It seems like the "bang for your buck" element just isn't there. A gallon of fish hydrolysate can be had for less than one quart of EJ Grow.. Urine is free.

Dude - You statement is incorrect, you used WAY to much Grow at the wrong time.

3 TBSP per gal of Grow will green up a 10 ft outdoor tree during veg.

You grow small plants under a small light correct ?

The smaller the plant & light = smaller feeding levels.

1 TBSP per gal is PLENTY for most small to med sized plants.

2 to 3 TBSP per gal is for large plants (2-3 month veg time).

Trying real hard to not be a dick but please tell me your not using salty pee on your plants ?

* I use NO Grow or Nitrogen dominate fert AT ALL during 60 to 70 day flower cycle.

 

[loki3xb]

Hey All,

Two Things.. Well Maybe 3

1. Gross don't pee on your plants...

2. Where do you get the EJ High Brix Molasses? (Is it better then so say just reg blk strap molasses?)

3. I agree with Tactical the grow has enough N in there to keep your plants nice and green for a long time, I have been using some of these ferts outside (Dumping run off and unused mixture) and I have noticed amazing results on my rose bush and other plants. You have to remember that EJ uses the finest organic materials, the keyword there being organic, which means you're not going to be able to see a nutrient deficiency and fix it with 1 water with an extra tablespoon of grow in there, I hate to say it, organic doesn't work like that. You have to wait for the "BUGS" (Bacteria and Fungi) to eat and digest the materials in the ferts and make them useable to the plants, EJ does have some direct forms of NPK but a good percentage is non soluble (Tactical correct me if im wrong) which means it not a direct form of plant food, has to have things degrade it before it can be absorbed by the roots.. Im hope this helps.

Tactical - This is the grow where im 100% EJ, and I have to say im loving it so far..

 

[Dorje113]

I agree that a more moderate approach would be better. I had fucked up and not added any nutes to some soil I was reusing. The plants yellowed out badly a few weeks into flower. I was hoping a few watering s with high doses of the grow would green them back up. Not even close.

That's true, once you have a N def. EJ Grow isn't what you need to green them back up.

I don't think this makes it a bad deal or too weak, because if you added it at the right time, right qty, it would have kept a N df. from happening in the 1st place... however, the smaller your pots, the easier it is to run out of N going into flowering, and some plants are N hogs. Combine a N hog in a small pot and EJ Grow isn't going to work right anymore. A gal. of EJ Grow is only $22 at the store, and if used to maintain N levels on top of a ejc/guano base you don't need to use that much of it.

The product I use to correct N def. is Age Old Organics Grow. 12-6-6 I believe... this is a better product to use if you didn't add guanos and other dry ferts to your soil and will correct N defs. in 2 days or so with one application. Age Old works well, but the Grow is way stronger than I need if my N levels haven't tanked and the AO Bloom doesn't have the right proportion of P to K... too much P, not enough K...

I will admit my last run had a N hog (Sour D) that sucked all the N out of a 20 gal pot a couple days after switching to 12/12. But, I wasn't feeding N at all because the Fox Farm soil tested very high in N to begin with and I didn't catch it quick enough when the plant went through it all.

 

[Cool Moe]

I agree with treefrog, as a stand-alone of nutrition EJ Grow can fall short of providing adequate N. This summer I'll be supplementing the full EJ lineup with top-dressed mexican bat guano or other N source during veg phase, big dose just before they stretch.

 

[loki3xb]

Cool Moe,

When my plants are in VEG I like to use some Mexican as well and right before I put them into and maybe the first week I will replace Mexican with Peruvian Seabird, and then thats it once I see the start of flowers I stop all Grow and N high guanos and by the 7-10 week of FLW the leaves are turning yellowing and some even fall off, but it looks amazing, best product ive seen in years

 

[Cool Moe]

Hey loki, glad to hear your results are where you want them. I just picked up some Jamaican guano yesterday to use every few weeks during flower. I'm in outdoor containers and we're in veg and coming up on a time where it can rain hard almost every day where i am, supplemental guano top dressings are helpful for when it's too wet to water in the EJ. I think I read it said by BOG that a heavy nitrogen boost right before they stretch is a key to big flowers.

 

[loki3xb]

Cool Moe,

I dont know if they are where I want them per say, but I can tell that the EJ is a great product and with a bit of time I should be able to "dial" it in..

What do you mean guanos are good when its too wet to water? Where im at its been raining constantly and the RH in my FLW room jumped to 80%, I almost fell over when I saw that, so I skipped a watering to bring it down a bit, got it to around 50% I forgot to mention that the basement kinda flooded and thats why it jumped. So if you could explain this guano thing maybe it would be helpful. I also noticed when I make a tea and use guanos, the sediment settles on the top of the soil and creates a barrier where it takes water forever to seep in.

 

[Cool Moe]

My grow is outdoors, where I am in the summer it can rain every day. So at times when the plants would be due for an EJ feeding the soil might already be soaked from the rain. Guanos come in handy for me in this regard as well as for simply providing a boost to the EJ lineup. I dont' build any nutrients into my soil, it all comes from the top.

 

[liquidmaco]

thanks tf. i think its working out with some micro blast. is it overkill to include that in every watering?

 

[treefrog]

Dude - You statement is incorrect, you used WAY to much Grow at the wrong time.

3 TBSP per gal of Grow will green up a 10 ft outdoor tree during veg.

You grow small plants under a small light correct ?

The smaller the plant & light = smaller feeding levels.

1 TBSP per gal is PLENTY for most small to med sized plants.

2 to 3 TBSP per gal is for large plants (2-3 month veg time).

Trying real hard to not be a dick but please tell me your not using salty pee on your plants ?

* I use NO Grow or Nitrogen dominate fert AT ALL during 60 to 70 day flower cycle.

Anytime someone says, "Trying real hard to not be a dick" it's too late!

On the first page it says..
"This is the place for all who are interested in the learning about the wonderful natural product “Earth Juice” OMRI Listed."

Not a true statement. It would be more accurate to say, this is a place for Earth Juice zealots to invalidate any Earth Juice experience other than that which Tactical Farmer deems worthy of sharing.

I apologize! I must have been mistaken when I added EJ Grow at a rate of 3 tbs per gallon for three waterings and it didn't green up my plants at all! The pictures I took must be lying as well. I probably photo-shopped them, but forgot doing it..

 

[supermanlives]

never had any probs with ej been using it like 7 years. the grow works fine for me.

 

[loki3xb]

Treefrog -

There where pictures? I must of missed them, can you please repost.

Supermanlives -

Would you be willing to share your "formula" for feeding?

 

[loki3xb]

Liquidmaco,

I wouldnt use it every watering it is a sulfur based solution so I would assume that to much would over whelm the colonies of "Bugs", but maybe somebody who knows what they are talking about could come in a verify this.

 

[treefrog]

Treefrog -

There where pictures? I must of missed them, can you please repost.

I never posted them here. I do have them though.
This is after being fed three times at the 3 tbs per gallon rate. The pic is at 34 days. They started yellowing at week 2, which is too early, so I wanted to try out the grow a friend had given me.
It didn't green them up at all. In the past, when yellowing has happened too soon into flowering, I've used fish with good results. I should add that each feeding of the grow also had 4 tbs of ground alfalfa, plus some EWC, EJ Cat, EJ Bloom, K-mag, LK and molasses in the tea! Bubbled for 24 to 48.

My intent was not to bash EJ, as I've used it since 2002 and generally like it. I only recently have been using the grow formula though and find it to be much weaker than say, fish emulsion, or Age Old Grow, or urine

As far as the urine goes.. All I drink is purified, restructured/remineralized water and a little tea. All I eat is organic vegetarian fare. No pharmaceuticals. I think my urine is OK to use. Not to mention, there are some amazing organic folks that were hip looong before this current, trendy 'organic' movement that recommend using it.

I'm here for open communication. The sharing of ideas/experience.
Camaraderie. My experience with EJ Grow hasn't been a good one.
If other folks dig it, then groovy. If you're looking for a strong 'grow' feed, then i would suggest looking elsewhere.

peace ~

 

[Cool Moe]

i think the 3LBs recommend microblast once during veg, once during flower, maybe twice with a really long veg or flower

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Earth Juice Homepage Data

MILD: Small to slow growing medium size plants, apply with each watering or every 2 weeks.

NORMAL: Recommended for most plants, including medium to large plants, apply with each watering or every 2 weeks.

STRONG: Fast growing and large plants, apply with every other watering or every 4 weeks.

EXTRA STRONG: Very large mature plants, trees, and gardens, apply every 4 weeks.

GENERAL USE RATES PER GALLON OF WATER

* Rates may be adjusted according to individual needs

GROW

Mild = 1/2 Tbsp

Normal = 1 Tbsp

Strong = 2 Tbsp

Extra Strong = 3 Tbsp

BLOOM

Mild = 1/2 Tbsp

Normal = 1 Tbsp

Strong = 2 Tbsp

Extra Strong = 3 Tbsp

CATALYST

Mild = 1 tsp

Normal = 1 Tbsp

Strong = 2 Tbsp

Extra Strong = 3 Tbsp

META-K * Include Meta-K every 4th feeding

Mild = 1/2 tsp

Normal = 1-2 tsp

Strong = 1 Tbsp

Extra Strong = 1 Tbsp

ASSIST * Initially use 4 tsp, follow every 2-4 weeks with 1-2 tsp.

MICROBLAST * Use 2-4 tsp to prevent and correct micro nutrient deficiencies and to perk up plants.

Quick Metric Conversion

5 ml = 1 tsp / 3 tsp = 1 Tbsp = 15 ml / 2 Tbsp = 1 floz = 30ml / 128 floz = 1 gal = 3.785
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* I should add that each feeding of the grow also had 4 tbs of ground alfalfa, plus some EWC, EJ Cat, EJ Bloom, K-mag, LK and molasses in the tea!

Sure looks like a case of overfeeding & nute lockout to me.

Sorry to offend dude.

We have both expressed our opinions - lets just let it go

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Read all about pee as a fert years back & gave it a go.

2L bottled it - left it sit to ferment then composted it for a few month min.

Did it help or hurt = never know ?

But quit that because humans need salts in there cells for proper hydration "cells bigger"

If the country crashes & the hydro stores fail then i'll go old school again.

There are hundreds of better options than that at this point in time.
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First page:

The kind folks at HTG (High Tech Garden) told me they can special order them. http://www.htgsupply.com

Brix or other EJ "special order" may need to call, great guys & store = stealth ship also.

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Microblast:

Got a bottle but never used it, depends on the diversity of your liquids - dry fert & soil.

If your lacking that then its up to you - got some weird stuff in there ?

Earth Juice Microblast - (1-0-0)

kelp meal
magnesium sulfate
borax
cobalt sulfate
ferrous sulfate
manganese sulfate
sodium molybdate
zinc sulfate

* Decent option if dealing with "strange" problems.

* Microblast tests out to the following percentages . . . Magnesium (Mg) .05%, Boron (B) .02%, Cobalt (Co) .0005%, Iron (Fe) .10%, Manganese (Mn) .05%, Molybdenum (Mo) .0005%, Zinc (Zn) .05%.
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Did I miss or piss anyone off with my option ?

Thats a joke treefrog

 

[treefrog]

treefrogs don't get pissed, that would be toads.
They do however, get grumpy when it rains, rains, rains and have been stuck in the house too long

 

[Jdizzel]

how often are u guys using micro blast and meta K????? i think i am using too much of this shit but the plants look healthy??
please help.
and the high brix mollassas is kick ass, i have never seen my plants react to that shit before, the leaves are always perked up but not like that after adding high brix they were almost standing straight up.