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E-Cigarettes: A How-To With Canna
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TheMadHasher
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This is exactly why i suggested earlier if someone wanted to puff inconspicuously on the go, I would suggest a REAL portable vape, not an e-cig because they don't get hot enough to vaporize THC. Thanks for the hard data!
well i guess i wont be buying an e cig
TheMadHasher
Member
Surely it would be possible to find an e-cig like device that reaches the desired temperature huh? Could one possibly be "modded" to get hot enough? The idea of an e-cig is great but I also want to get stoned in a few hits you know?
BadKittySmiles
Member
The temps of your e-cig do not matter. Period. Unless, you're attempting to vape a premature tincture.
If done correctly, you are lining your lungs with a highly absorptive tincture, that has been processed for months. Not raw THC. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
If done correctly, you are lining your lungs with a highly absorptive tincture, that has been processed for months. Not raw THC. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
I've heard of people using small halogen bulbs in their DIY ecigs that would hit a much higher temperature, but as Sam pointed out, you hit too high a temp and you're breaking the VG into harmful compounds.
Just googled it down and they later clarified it got too hot and "tastes like crap" so they likely took a nice puff of that acrolein stuff.
You wouldn't want the plastic cartridge or the filler material that close to a powerful heat source anyways, and using it with a drip method would really require a safe and precise heating element to ensure it doesn't get too hot.
Ecig mods exist, like battery stacking in devices that support it, but in one of the links I posted earlier, they test the voltages achieved by those methods and never beat the high temp at the atomizer bridge. The atomizer is ultimately the weak link in the chain it would seem.
BadKittySmiles
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I will repeat, one more time: This is nothing new.
People have been vaping glycerin tinctures with success for ages now, and if it's done at a high enough temperature, you can even utilize a premature tincture.
Yes, it takes an entire cart, 15 drops, to get myself properly high from a fully loaded hash tincture. Others only find it takes a few puffs. Where as, with smoking, I smoke between 3 - 10 grams a day.
That is a lot more. When using my e-cigs, I run through maybe 3 - 4 carts in a day total, and one bowl pack or two. Meaning, I use much less medicine, to much greater effect. This is the benefit of a tincture when vaped or taken sublingually, bypassing the first pass metabolism in the liver.
If you can vape a cart dry, the cannabinoids are winding up in your lungs.. that much is hopefully obvious. Once there, in tincture form, they will absorb and be put to use just as easily as they would have under the tongue, and much more efficiently, than they would have in your stomach.
People have been vaping glycerin tinctures with success for ages now, and if it's done at a high enough temperature, you can even utilize a premature tincture.
Yes, it takes an entire cart, 15 drops, to get myself properly high from a fully loaded hash tincture. Others only find it takes a few puffs. Where as, with smoking, I smoke between 3 - 10 grams a day.
That is a lot more. When using my e-cigs, I run through maybe 3 - 4 carts in a day total, and one bowl pack or two. Meaning, I use much less medicine, to much greater effect. This is the benefit of a tincture when vaped or taken sublingually, bypassing the first pass metabolism in the liver.
If you can vape a cart dry, the cannabinoids are winding up in your lungs.. that much is hopefully obvious. Once there, in tincture form, they will absorb and be put to use just as easily as they would have under the tongue, and much more efficiently, than they would have in your stomach.
BadKittySmiles
Member
And if you disagree with combusting glycerin, as I do, then your efforts would be much better spent petitioning against most of the hookah shisha being sold on the market.
It's loaded with both vegetable, and animal glycerin. Yum yum.
It's loaded with both vegetable, and animal glycerin. Yum yum.
A properly loaded hookah never combusts.
From http://www.tobaccoinduceddiseases.com/content/5/1/16/comments
"450°C is the temperature of the glowing charcoal (of the quick self-lighting type). It should be noted that there is a thermal foil screen separating the heating source from the mixture so the temperature inside the bowl hardly goes in excess of 200°C. Furthermore, tobacco (or, more properly, the tobacco-molasses based mixture) does not burn in a hookah bowl but is simply heated. These points were clarified in a commentary about the WHO report cited by the authors."
Long as I'm here chattin' with ya - you can stop insisting my tincture was burnt or premature - it was heated with a coffee cup warmer on low and the temp monitored the entire time, and sampled months later with strong effects when taken orally. Should stop with the wild assumptions and accept that someone else did it with less than stelar results. Here's a bunch of experienced people discussing the use of heat in the making of their tinctures - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42135
BadKittySmiles
Member
I was hoping you'd say that.
Ok, so a properly loaded hookah never combusts, but somehow, we're arguing the safety of using glycerin via a vaporizer? VG and PG are in all the e-liquids on the market, after all.
I knew this wasn't going anywhere
I was hoping you'd say that.
Ok, so a properly loaded hookah never combusts, but somehow, we're arguing the safety of using glycerin via a vaporizer? VG and PG are in all the e-liquids on the market, after all.
I knew this wasn't going anywhere
You were hoping you'd get called out on your false statement? You crazy, LOL.
Anyways, I never said a word about the safety of using VG in a vaporizer, and only brought it up recently when dismissing the prospect of using a much higher temperature DIY ecig.
Think you have me mixed up with Sam, but since I'm here - I would suspect he is referring to your idea of using the liquid in a fogger, which do hit some very high temps. Average operating temperature on a fogger is like 250C, so I'd imagine they get close to 300 at times, and as Sam mentioned, 280 is the danger zone. Not a Fog juice expert, but all the recipes call for some watering down and I see it specifically recommended that one not go above 75% glycerin... May wanna re-tool that part of your tutorial.
BadKittySmiles
Member
I'm sorry for confusing the two of you, but I am glad you brought it up still, because you're right; if you hookah properly, just as if you were to vape properly, you're not going to have any health issues. Many people don't use their shisha as directed however, so hopefully, they don't run into problems down the road.
My concern is that people should realize, the low temps involved with most e-cigs, are thus far proven to be safe for using with VG. The mods people use are still being used with store bought, VG and/or PG e-liquids, so as with anything in life, use at your own risk.
As for the fog machine, if small amounts over the course of weeks and years is considered safe use, at venues and carnivals etc., then larger amounts over short periods of time 'should' be safe as well.
I know, that's not always necessarily true, but they've been using fog machines this way in the dam with large groups in venues, to celebrate the cup and other canna festivals for as far back as I can remember personally, since the early 90's at least. I'm pretty sure there was an article in High Times covering the use of fog machines as tincture vaporizers as well.
My concern is that people should realize, the low temps involved with most e-cigs, are thus far proven to be safe for using with VG. The mods people use are still being used with store bought, VG and/or PG e-liquids, so as with anything in life, use at your own risk.
As for the fog machine, if small amounts over the course of weeks and years is considered safe use, at venues and carnivals etc., then larger amounts over short periods of time 'should' be safe as well.
I know, that's not always necessarily true, but they've been using fog machines this way in the dam with large groups in venues, to celebrate the cup and other canna festivals for as far back as I can remember personally, since the early 90's at least. I'm pretty sure there was an article in High Times covering the use of fog machines as tincture vaporizers as well.
DK2670_01
Member
i have just orderet over the internet after reading this post
a E-Cigaret Joye 510
some VG glyserin, from E-cig wepsite
plastik refill bottles 5 ml
small brown glass bottles 20, 125, 250 ml
bottles with pipette 30 ml
and som e-cig flaywers like blueberry and Reed Bull
í have some QWISO oil i will "try" to make some tincure off I HAVE read this post and your apinion to alkohold tincure But i will give it a go anyway It may not taste så good with QWISO oil, therfor the Reed Bull flawuor
My plan is,
1. Warm up QWISO oil.
2. warm up some grain alkohold 120 proof
3. put the oil in the alkohol and let it boil down to half 1/2.
4. Cool it down a bit (not to much)
5. puor it in the vg glycerin.
6. let it soke in a dark room for 60 days in a glas jar, and do the am/pm shake
What do you think about this little plan BadKitty
a E-Cigaret Joye 510
some VG glyserin, from E-cig wepsite
plastik refill bottles 5 ml
small brown glass bottles 20, 125, 250 ml
bottles with pipette 30 ml
and som e-cig flaywers like blueberry and Reed Bull
í have some QWISO oil i will "try" to make some tincure off
I HAVE read this post and your apinion to alkohold tincure But i will give it a go anyway It may not taste så good with QWISO oil, therfor the Reed Bull flawuor My plan is,
1. Warm up QWISO oil.
2. warm up some grain alkohold 120 proof
3. put the oil in the alkohol and let it boil down to half 1/2.
4. Cool it down a bit (not to much)
5. puor it in the vg glycerin.
6. let it soke in a dark room for 60 days in a glas jar, and do the am/pm shake
What do you think about this little plan BadKitty
BadKittySmiles
Member
Is your qwiso a first run, and fairly clean, DK2670? If so, you should be good to go A delayed or last run with qwiso will pick up a lot of plant waxes and chlorophyll, which can take up valuable holding space in your glycerin.
If you have an average tolerance use at least a few grams hash per liquid oz of glycerin. You can use even more if you like, with the proper amount of processing time with very little heat, glycerin can liquefy and hold a great deal of glandular material. This is why such a very small amount of hash tincture versus bud tincture works so well when vaped, especially if you're not wasting space with other unnecessary plant matter.
Be careful you don't burn it. Be very gentle with the heat, over cooked glandular material won't bond with glycerin. You'll end up with visible particles and a foul flavor, rather than a clean, gold-brown, hashy flavored syrup. It's the glycerin that requires the time for the canna to become available, so you're going to want to be patient and allow it to sit for at least a few weeks.
To anyone who's found Will's Glycerin Tincture recipe, it's the following pages in his thread that are the most crucial, they cover properly sealing your container during processing and numerous members claiming, regardless how much heat they used, that their tinctures didn't 'set up' or reach proper potency, for up to several months.
When making a glycerin tincture patience is crucial, and it's always rewarded.
A delayed or last run with qwiso will pick up a lot of plant waxes and chlorophyll, which can take up valuable holding space in your glycerin.If you have an average tolerance use at least a few grams hash per liquid oz of glycerin. You can use even more if you like, with the proper amount of processing time with very little heat, glycerin can liquefy and hold a great deal of glandular material. This is why such a very small amount of hash tincture versus bud tincture works so well when vaped, especially if you're not wasting space with other unnecessary plant matter.
Be careful you don't burn it. Be very gentle with the heat, over cooked glandular material won't bond with glycerin. You'll end up with visible particles and a foul flavor, rather than a clean, gold-brown, hashy flavored syrup. It's the glycerin that requires the time for the canna to become available, so you're going to want to be patient and allow it to sit for at least a few weeks.
To anyone who's found Will's Glycerin Tincture recipe, it's the following pages in his thread that are the most crucial, they cover properly sealing your container during processing and numerous members claiming, regardless how much heat they used, that their tinctures didn't 'set up' or reach proper potency, for up to several months.
When making a glycerin tincture patience is crucial, and it's always rewarded.
DK2670_01
Member
yes it is 1. run true an then a 2. run 30 sec shake in isopronyl
yes i will take care and not overload it 2-4 sec at max
i HAVE read Will's Glycerin Tincture recipe but the specely pot is way to expensive here in denmark, over 120 $ ... thats cracy ... i was thinking about a rice cooker ? but i think it is better to make alcohold tincure than glyserin tincure ? so thats why i will do the glasjar in the dark closet trix
i also will make some tincure with only grinded buds and glyserin at the same time, but only jar in the closet trix also No heat ? to see the different
BUT the QWISO oli have been heat treatet in the oven
yes i will take care and not overload it
2-4 sec at max i HAVE read Will's Glycerin Tincture recipe but the specely pot is way to expensive here in denmark, over 120 $ ... thats cracy ... i was thinking about a rice cooker ? but i think it is better to make alcohold tincure than glyserin tincure ? so thats why i will do the glasjar in the dark closet trix
i also will make some tincure with only grinded buds and glyserin at the same time, but only jar in the closet trix also
No heat ? to see the differentBUT the QWISO oli have been heat treatet in the oven
First of all can you tell me the year you first smoked bubble?
Second just because there are no published reports on the negative effects of flavors, smells, glycerin and the colors means nothing about their safety. How long were cigarettes called safe until proven to be not safe?
Third, why not use a nebulizer, that uses ultrasonic Vibrating Mesh Technology (VMT)? Then there is zero heat. I bought and tried one more then a decade ago, and if you can get the particle size small enough they work, if too big they make you cough like crazy.
I myself would never heat or smoke to consume added flavors, smells, colors, or glycerin, regardless of what anyone says, I don't trust anything not found in natural Cannabis or resin, you of course are free to do whatever you want, but do not claim they are risk free, they are not. Anything that gets the glycerin over 280 C will form Acrolein, and I presume you do believe this is not good for anyone?
Eating glycerin seems pretty safe, smoking or vaporizing is a whole other matter. I won't bother to argue about if it is safe or not, I just won't do it, like I did not take any hits when I saw them in use at the HT Cannabis Cup, I wondered about safety and what the smoked materials were, like I do when ever I see an oil product or anything made out of trash or with less then the very best and cleanest Cannabis or resin.
-SamS
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BadKittySmiles
Member
To each their own
To each their own
I would still like answers to my questions above if it is not to much trouble.
-SamS
yeah i thought that was a cheap answer too.
BadKittySmiles
Member
Why a cheap answer, because I'm no longer willing to argue with negative nancies?
From now on I'm ignoring them, someone has to take the high road, after all, and I'm ignoring any irrelevant, childish, "I'm better than you" questions about 'who did what first, and how early, and where'
If anyone still insists on using their soap box, they should drag it somewhere else, because simply put, anyone who's used a piece of chewing gum, or has been in a hospital, or a fun house, has been exposed to vaporized or over-heated glycerin. It should be just as bad for you to eat, as it is to absorb via the lungs.
So those of you who keep getting your undergarments in a twist, may want to begin using your rants in places where it may do more good, like the food industry or the medical industry both of which heavily rely on -Animal- Glycerin and PG... rather than picking on people for their smoke of choice in a weed forum
It's common in foods as a preservative, in gums and candy, and they heavily pump PG/VG vapor through the exhaust and ventilation systems to keep hospitals sterile.
People are told to cook with it, at high temps even, using it as a sugar substitute. Then (I know, it's weird) they eat it. It's used heavily in restaurants, it's an inexpensive way to thin and sweeten glazes. It both preserves, and sweetens. And *gasp*, after boiling it in lotions on a huge scale in factories where the workers don't get ill and file lawsuits, they expect you to smooth it on to your skin, for it to be absorbed there. Oh the humanity!
Pssst... and it's made the same way, with intense heat, to be used in your naughty edible lube, too.
Clear rolling papers? They contain up to 14% glycerin.
Acrolein, the dangerous chemical we're actually discussing, is released every single time you combust your herb, as well Heck, our lovely canna when smoked releases more acrolein than the average tobacco cigarette, according the Erowid
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml
People really need to struggle to combust glycerin via an e-cig even with mods, I mean one of the big complaints here, is that they supposedly don't get hot enough to properly vape raw THC, right? But they do get up to 250 c. I've been on e-cig forums all morning and haven't managed to find any complaints of the foul "burned fat" odor of acrolein coming from their VG e-liquids.
So if you have problems with it, you better lock your doors and check your cupboards, because it's probably already made its way into your home
Personally, I don't use joint papers, even if they're hemp, or blunt wraps or anything of the like (I don't smoke tobacco, either), because I find them too harsh, they alter the taste, and after using them too much for too long, they cause me to cut back on my smoking for a few days while I recover.
Glycerin has -never- done that to me.
I can vape as much tincture as I can breathe for hours in a table vape, and move on to bowls and bongs, and the next day I feel fine, like I never tested the limits of my lungs. The only reason I often wouldn't bother over-using, is because I get a noticeably greater effect this way, and I'm past the phase of wasting my medicine. I conserve it more now, and this is a lovely way of doing it.
Regardless how much I vape and 'binge' on my glycerin, I wake up with strong lungs. That's not something I can say for joints or blunts.
But I'm not going to waltz on to a canna forum, and start judging people for their smoking preferences... you know, like some people
From now on I'm ignoring them, someone has to take the high road, after all, and I'm ignoring any irrelevant, childish, "I'm better than you" questions about 'who did what first, and how early, and where'
If anyone still insists on using their soap box, they should drag it somewhere else, because simply put, anyone who's used a piece of chewing gum, or has been in a hospital, or a fun house, has been exposed to vaporized or over-heated glycerin. It should be just as bad for you to eat, as it is to absorb via the lungs.
So those of you who keep getting your undergarments in a twist, may want to begin using your rants in places where it may do more good, like the food industry or the medical industry both of which heavily rely on -Animal- Glycerin and PG... rather than picking on people for their smoke of choice in a weed forum
It's common in foods as a preservative, in gums and candy, and they heavily pump PG/VG vapor through the exhaust and ventilation systems to keep hospitals sterile.
People are told to cook with it, at high temps even, using it as a sugar substitute. Then (I know, it's weird) they eat it. It's used heavily in restaurants, it's an inexpensive way to thin and sweeten glazes. It both preserves, and sweetens. And *gasp*, after boiling it in lotions on a huge scale in factories where the workers don't get ill and file lawsuits, they expect you to smooth it on to your skin, for it to be absorbed there. Oh the humanity!
Pssst... and it's made the same way, with intense heat, to be used in your naughty edible lube, too.
Clear rolling papers? They contain up to 14% glycerin.
Acrolein, the dangerous chemical we're actually discussing, is released every single time you combust your herb, as well
Heck, our lovely canna when smoked releases more acrolein than the average tobacco cigarette, according the Erowidhttp://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml
People really need to struggle to combust glycerin via an e-cig even with mods, I mean one of the big complaints here, is that they supposedly don't get hot enough to properly vape raw THC, right? But they do get up to 250 c. I've been on e-cig forums all morning and haven't managed to find any complaints of the foul "burned fat" odor of acrolein coming from their VG e-liquids.
So if you have problems with it, you better lock your doors and check your cupboards, because it's probably already made its way into your home
Personally, I don't use joint papers, even if they're hemp, or blunt wraps or anything of the like (I don't smoke tobacco, either), because I find them too harsh, they alter the taste, and after using them too much for too long, they cause me to cut back on my smoking for a few days while I recover.
Glycerin has -never- done that to me.
I can vape as much tincture as I can breathe for hours in a table vape, and move on to bowls and bongs, and the next day I feel fine, like I never tested the limits of my lungs. The only reason I often wouldn't bother over-using, is because I get a noticeably greater effect this way, and I'm past the phase of wasting my medicine. I conserve it more now, and this is a lovely way of doing it.
Regardless how much I vape and 'binge' on my glycerin, I wake up with strong lungs. That's not something I can say for joints or blunts.
But I'm not going to waltz on to a canna forum, and start judging people for their smoking preferences... you know, like some people
