Dutch Ban Famed Hallucinatory Mushrooms

[t-rex]

Hey vinevamp. The ban is not in effect yet..

There was a demonstration against the ban on magic mushrooms at the dam square last week.. more information can be found on http://reddepaddo.nl/?page_id=29

Needless to say, but please be careful with using mushrooms when you are in Amsterdam for the first time.. A number of accidents has happened with tourists on shrooms causing problems - one french girl jumped down a bridge and died - and that is the main reason why they want to ban magic mushrooms alltogether.

 

[Quiet_Riot]

dont need to make sense...shrooms were banned here on the basis of fashbacks....which isnt something that happens with shrooms, thats LSD...the ****ing idiots muddled em... so sense really has shit all to do with it

Shrooms can give flashbacks, just so you know Wild, emotional fbz!

To bad about the ban, did they change government recently?! But heck, as long as substrates and spores is legal, I'm happy, is too easy to grow your own magic. Had a one kilo bag of substrate which yeilded about 25 g of dried Ecuadorian magica! I cased the substrate after each flush, thats the secret to it all

 

[t-rex]

To many, it's not just the fact that they're planning on banning magic mushrooms, but it is seen as a restriction of our freedom. Freedom to use a harmless natural product, one that can lead to great insights and a different view on many things.. If this will happen, what's next..?

We have a very conservative government right now, some parties would love to close down all coffeeshops in an instant, if they got the chance.

 

[vinevamp]

Thanks for the response t-rex. Looked at the reference but really no new info there. People do crazy stupid things with or without altering their awareness. To over react to one tragedy without considering all the facotrs is just wrong. Anyway, I hope I get back to dam beofre the shops are closed. And of course we can all get mushrooms but the idea of just being out in the open, having choice of what kind you might get today, seeing them all lined up in their little plastic containers always gives me a thrill. Seems our freedoms are being chipped away one mushroom at a time.

 

[Chamba]

A number of accidents has happened with tourists on shrooms causing problems - one french girl jumped down a bridge and died - and that is the main reason why they want to ban magic mushrooms alltogether.

true....but the media didn't mention the fact that she had serious psycho problems prior to her suicide until months after their sensationalistic biased reports first hit the headlines.......


the news editiors decided that "French school girl mushroom drug death" sounded better than "French mental patient commits suicide"

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[ViktorVaughn]

Flashbacks!!

Flashbacks!!

Originally Posted by Harry Gypsna
dont need to make sense...shrooms were banned here on the basis of fashbacks....which isnt something that happens with shrooms, thats LSD...the ****ing idiots muddled em... so sense really has shit all to do with it


Shrooms can give flashbacks, just so you know Wild, emotional fbz!

I am no doctor, but am a serious psychonaut who knows hundreds of serious heads of similar thinking, and amongst us the common response to people who claim that psychedelics cause flashbacks is: HUH!!!!!!!!!!????? I have never even heard of such a thing if I wasn't in some grade school drug education class. They may make you see/understand things that once seen/understood can't be unseen/ununderstood, but maybe they should have taken the blue pill???
Sorry, when I hear stuff like that I think about all the fears said classes instilled in me and get angry.
Thanks for letting me vent,
Vik

 

[Guest]

This truly is a shame, the loss of a schoolgirls life. I think it just makes it worse to turn it into some political catalyst.

 

[TimewarP]

schoolgirl be damned
no tears here.. one less idiot on the planet
ive tripped uncountable times and never felt i could fly.

as the late great Bill Hicks once said "if you think you can fly.. take off from the ground dummy"

like the birds
i think the government should ban bridges and tall buildings. while theyre at it, outlaw all kitchen knives and outlaw cars and outlaw everything dangerous. we can all sit in a box from childhood untill we die, then (conveniently) get buried in it

 

[TimewarP]

amongst us the common response to people who claim that psychedelics cause flashbacks is: HUH!!!!!!!!!!????? I have never even heard of such a thing if I wasn't in some grade school drug education class.

'flashbacks' was a common term for people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder/shellshock.. army guys would come back from war with nightmares and psychosis.. in the 60's the term got used for the hippie shellshock too.

it is real but GREATLY EXAGGERATED
psychedelics can be stored in your body fat, although usually it would be the metabolites and downstream products, NOT the substance itsself. then later when you burn off the fat these stores chemies can be released. you may have experienced it as dizzyness or walls melting a bit after running up stairs, energetic sex or not eating for a long time. people who have never done recreationals CAN also get this effect as there are many many body products (adrenaline, nerotransmitters, DMT) that occour normally but can also build up in fat the same way.

the real problem is that the governments of the world are so paranoid about these substances that they dont allow research to be done. if we knew why and how this all worked we could (at best) reach a new level of human conciousness (at least) know the dangers and what mental conditions they can exasperate, develop 'antidotes' or better blends or set percent limits.

instead, we rely on third hand hippie rumours said by some guy about a specific incident heard by some dude 40years ago while tripping in haight ashbury and now taken as FACT by politicians

 

[TimewarP]

.. had she simply been drunk (no other substances involved) when she killed herself, would the government have even considered banning alcohol? I think not.

obso****inglutely

"praise from Washington," .... Why do other countries try to seek approval from the U.S. when it comes to drug policies?

totally. its the exact same bullying tactics were seeing around iraq. amerika has become a despot ruled conquest mad state. seeking approval from them is like seeking dinner etiquette advice from geoffrey dahmer.

canada and mexico have long been targets of these amerikan policies, there are DEA facilities and small armies all over canada and mexico, not just colombia, bolivia, etc ..
how long do you think it will be until they insist on drug-army bases in holland? there are already DEA offices [can cup hq] and thousands of agents wasting their time looking for bigtime dealers but finding little fish

that to me is far more sad than some girls madness.

have there been any statistics to show HOW MANY shrooms have been sold over tha last few years? surely its many many thousands of people who DIDNT kill themselves or run amok in their hotel

 

[vinevamp]

Not sure you re correct about psychedelic flashbacks from substance stored in body fat. True for herb in that it can mess with a drug test, but you don't really "get high" from it. Many young men ( and women) in their 20's ( like drug experimenters or soldiers home from the war) find they have mental illness. Developmentally this is a time when such abnormalities first are recognized. For many its easier to blame a drug they ingested than deal with their own lousy genetics or chaotic life or mummy and daddy or any of the thousand s of factors that conribute to a psychotic break.

In my considerable experience, I have never known of or seen anyone who was not also psychotic have a flashback. PTSS usually do not experience what has been described as flashbacks except with other mental illness present. Debilitating anxiety...yes...........tripping out flashback...no.

 

[manicobsession]

sounds like an irresponsible girl ruined it for the rest of us,bound to happen imo
not a big deal to me,ive had my fun with em

 

[Guest]

The USA is the main donor (and the biggest debtor) to the United Nations. Money talks.

W.

 

[buckeye-leaf]

well aint that a bitch guess ill have to bring my own

 

[foaf]

after the death of 17-year-old

its tragic and the couple of persons who dissed the tragedy should be ashamed, such perspectives do the cause no good.

certainly psychedelics are powerful agents that should be regulated if vendors are allowed to legally sell them. By regulated, I mean there should at least be an age limit, or as they originally planned, a waiting period. Sure I was eating shrooms when I was 14, but I picked them in the field, I didnt need to involve sanctioned government sales or vendors in my act. And an unprepared 17 year old girl is much more likely to take them if they seem to be sanctioned and sold OTC than if you have to wake up early and pick them yourself, or better yet grow them.

I've takin tons of psychedelics and dosed tons of people. I think that the responses in this thread bear out that people underestimate the potential for problems with them, at least the fairly frequent experience of a bad trip and a trip to the ER, and auto accidents if you are inexperienced and try to drive, or as the tragedy suggest, just losing touch with reality and who knows what can happen.

I personally think such agents should be legal but not sold, with commerce you almost always have to include the government. If you cant grow your own mushrooms or columnar cactus (mescaline), then you really probably shouldn't take them. Growing mushrooms is much easier than growing pot, if you follow the easily obtainable instructions.

 

[Guest]

I feel so sorry for all those punters out there, who will now go home empty handed, deprieved of their credit cards ability to purchase fungus. Poor souls, what will they do. Unless it comes in a package, they will be lost I fear!
The thought of walking through muddy fields in their expensive trainers would only confuse & disorientate them even further. Maybe they should go home, & watch TV.

 

[prepress420]

Why do do you want them to go home and watch tv ?

 

[*mr.mike*]

Kinda strange....

They're illegal, but I just bought 100 grams not even 12 hours ago in a shop in Amsterdam.

 

[Guest]

I am a republican due to democrats being lying assholes, and most f the public believes their bullshit, The republicans are not great either, I will admit that. My choice is have an abortion if you want to ,drink ,smoke, smoke pot, use schrooms, do what you want. People will learn for themselves, they know when to stop. My Uncle quit smoking after 50 years, but still drinks beer like crazy; So what he is in debt, worked a shit job for 30 years. If someone wants to live they will quit or slow down, If ozzy wanted to think clearly he would. Be yourself kill your brain if you have to, if you love your chuild hood like my dad stop before you kill your brain cells. Drugs/alcohol/tobacco are a choice stop bitching about it. Being around a smoker probably wil not kill me.If you do not like inhaling smoke get the fuck away from them.If someone smokes drugs to close to you kick their ass, tell them to take it somewhere else. DRugies should have sense enough not to smoke near you and normal people should warn them if that does not wotk kick their pussy asses and stick an american flag in it. Stick up for yourselves the government does not need all theese rules. Do not be a big pussy or an asshole. Use drugs at home do not involve innocent people.I do not smoke in the car or near people.Now when with friendly pot smokers close all the windows and toke away.If everyone knew their limits and kept their mouths shut there would not be a drug problem. MY message to the government is let people do what they want, get layed back die or whatever.If they drive a car arrest them, if they get violent arrest them, most people are decent and will respect decent laws, get off of our asses if we want to die let us, if we want to have fun at our consenting expense; what the fuck.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

I would like to get all upset about this and write a pamphlet on how people who do not know what they're talking about try to run the lives of others, according to their own narrow-minded misconceptions. Then again, around here I would basically adress people that agree with me, which kind of takes the edge out of standing up and saying your piece.

Possession of "hard" drugs like cocaine, LSD and Ecstasy is illegal.

Wouldn't it be nice if journalists actually researched the subjects they write about, to make sure they don't just spit out myths and erroneous statements that misinform the readers?

Since when does LSD fall under the definition of "Hard Drugs"? A quick look at Wikipedia's article on the subject could have clarified the matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_drugs
Too bad that Toby Sterling (that wrote this article) was in such a hurry that he didn't bother to check facts.

LSD, or Lysergic acid diethylamide, is an all natural substance and can be found in several wild growing plants.

LSD is not addictive.

LSD is not lethal.

LSD cause no lasting physical harm to the human body (LSD does not cause chromosome damage, as some biased reports have stated).

Neither do mushrooms. In difference to alcohol, which qualifies in every sense as a hard drug. But Amsterdam would never dream of banning alcohol, would they? It's a socially accepted drug after all, and if they banned alcohol, then soccer hooligans wouldn't beat their brains out after a game, men wouldn't beat the crap out of their women, and down-and-out alcoholics wouldn't live miserable lives in the gutter of most major cities in the world.

Retards.