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Dutch Ban Famed Hallucinatory Mushrooms

Dutch Ban Hallucinogenic Mushrooms
By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer

Friday, October 12, 2007

(10-12) 11:15 PDT AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) --


The Netherlands will ban the sale of hallucinogenic mushrooms, the government announced Friday, tightening the country's famed liberal drug policies after the suicide of an intoxicated teenage girl.


The ban — in response to the death and other highly publicized adverse reactions involving the fungus — is the latest backlash against the freewheeling policies of the past.


Mushrooms "will be outlawed the same way as other drugs," Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told reporters in The Hague. "The way we will enforce the ban is through targeting sellers."


Psilocybin, the main active chemical in the mushrooms, has been illegal under international law since 1971. However, fresh mushrooms continued to be sold legally in the Netherlands along with herbal medicines in so-called "smart-shops," on the theory that it was impossible to determine how much psilocybin any given mushroom contains.


That meant mushrooms were less regulated than marijuana, which is technically illegal but sold openly in small amounts in "coffee shops." Possession of "hard" drugs like cocaine, LSD and Ecstasy is illegal.


The government has cracked down on hard drugs and tightened controls on marijuana. It was expected to do the same with mushrooms after the death of 17-year-old Gaelle Caroff, who had suffered from psychological problems before her death in March. She jumped from a building after eating psychedelic mushrooms while on a school visit.


But the outright ban came as a surprise: The government had solicited advice from vendors, advocacy groups and the city of Amsterdam, which benefits greatly from drug-related tourism, on how to improve the situation.


Mushroom vendors suggested stricter ID controls to prevent underage buyers, and strong warnings against mixing mushrooms with other drugs.


Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen had suggested a three-day "cooling off" period between ordering them and using them.


The Justice Ministry decided those measures did not go far enough.


The problem with mushrooms is that "it's impossible to estimate what amount will have what effect," spokesman Wim Van der Weegen said.


Around 500,000 "doses" of packaged mushrooms are sold here annually. According to a study published in January by Amsterdam's health services said the city's emergency services were summoned 148 times to deal with a bad reaction to mushrooms in 2004-2006. Of those 134 were foreigners, with Britons forming the largest group.


Denmark outlawed mushrooms in 2001, Japan in 2002, Britain in 2005 and Ireland in 2006. Selling psilocybin-containing mushrooms is illegal in the U.S., but the status varies from state to state for spores, homegrown and wild species.


Marjan Heuving, a spokeswoman for the country's Trimbos Institute, a drug policy think-tank, said mushrooms are not toxic and themselves pose no physical risk to users.


But she agreed that people's reaction to them is unpredictable, depending on factors such as weight; how much food they have eaten recently; their past drug experience; psychological health; and the setting in which they are taken.


"The main danger to the user is that he will somehow hurt himself," she said. "I should add that that's extremely rare."


Since Caroff's death, a number of other dramatic stories involving mushrooms have been reported in the Dutch press, including a 22-year-old British tourist who ran amok in a hotel, breaking his window and slicing his hand badly.


"It's a shame, the media really blew this up into a big issue," said Chloe Collette, owner of the FullMoon smart-shop in Amsterdam.


She said each case also involved the use of alcohol — against the advice of sellers — but it was the mushrooms that were blamed.


She said that many herbal medicines have quietly been outlawed as well.


"Every two months they're banning something. Ephedra, yohimbe, herbal 'Ecstasy,' and now this," she said. "I don't know if we can survive in the future."


Since 2001, the government has gradually pared back the number of marijuana-selling coffee shops by refusing to renew licenses to stores in undesirable locations, such as near schools.


Coffee shops in the southern city of Maastricht have begun demanding fingerprints from customers to ensure they aren't buying too much in one day.


Growers, including household growers, have been more aggressively targeted for prosecution.


The Netherlands remains a major Ecstasy producer, but has won praise from Washington for the crackdown. Seizures of a ton or more of cocaine from ships docking in the Port of Rotterdam — Europe's largest — have become routine.


Murat Kucuksen, whose farm Procare supplies about half the psychedelic mushrooms on the Dutch market, predicted the trade will move underground as a result of the ban. Prices will rise, and dealers will sell dried mushrooms, or LSD as a substitute, to tourists with no guidance.


"So you'll have a rise in incidents but they won't be recorded as mushroom-related, and the politicians can declare victory," he said.


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Associated Press reporter Mike Corder contributed to this story from The Hague.
 
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Lucky 7

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well, that's too bad. People do tend to get pretty ****ed up when they're on vacation there, mostly young Europeans it looked to me. They walk the streets till around 5:00 AM, drinking, fighting, yelling; it's general mayhem!! ha ha

was cool to see the shops, though, knowing a big hit was only a few bills away. . .
 
This makes me sad....

I was over there again in may and the atmosphere in regards to freedom is being curtailed. The problem is you have a government in power over there that is using fear to do it (started with the muslims).

I sure hope the dutch people wake up before it is too late and see what is going on for what it is... CONTROL.

makes me sad, so very sad.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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People who suffer from mental illness before taking drugs, suffer mental illness after taking drugs, so ban the drugs, yeah makes lots of sense.
 

Harry Gypsna

Dirty hippy Bastard
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dont need to make sense...shrooms were banned here on the basis of fashbacks....which isnt something that happens with shrooms, thats LSD...the ****ing idiots muddled em... so sense really has shit all to do with it
 

BadTicket

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Everything should be legal as long as you don't hurt other peeps and have a brain about yer doping up, so to speak. Drugs are fab for the right peeps :cuss:
 

Horus

Member
TrichomusCaesar said:
That's not even a little bit funny, dude........

Nope I was serious. They should both be legal, but I think shrooms causes a lot more good than weed does.
 

blAsia

Member
Reminds me of the states... one person does the wrong thing and the substance is blamed. before you do anything talk to people, do research and weigh the risks. Stupid things I have done are completely my fault since I decided to take whatever it was. I decided to drive 125 mph, when drunk, whatever.....

Just like ephedrin (sp?) being banned because a professional baseball player decided to misuse the drug and probably jacked himself up....

Why should everyone else pay for the "sins" of others... our gov shows that popularity is a better route than reason. Sucks.

I don't trip on mescaline, shrooms, lsd, or do coke, and all the other shit anymore... just don't want to. I only drink about 24 beers a year. I like to smoke...that is me, that fits me and that is that.

Pisses me off that we elect these f'in leaders only to have a no win situation. How the hell did the Netherlands end up with the current freakish government. Did everyone forget to vote or what? Did they forget where they live??? (the gov.)

to each his own just be responsible for your own actions and accept the consequences... like I should have to say that to anyone over 15.

Peace

too bad for the girl's family
 

blAsia

Member
Horus said:
Nope I was serious. They should both be legal, but I think shrooms causes a lot more good than weed does.

I don't really know what you mean, or how you arrived at your opinion, mate. It is hard to function "normally" when you are trippin on anything. They don't call it an altered state for nothing (sure weed alters your state, but, c'mon, hallucinogens, really alter your state of being in a dramatic way).

Your opinion counts, but please elaborate.
 
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rastamonunika

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that isnt too pleasing to me, but luckily we can still get spores ourselves and trip =-)

but in all actuality, id rather support the local dutch economy by purchasing my mushies in A-dam, and enjoying the sites and sounds of holland. . hopefully this will be repealed? i dont know the dutch gov, so i dont know how their systems work. . .



is peyote still viable? or are they banning that as well?




much Love to the girl's family, and i hope everything works out for the good of all.



infinite Love
unika
 
Whenever I read this type of article, it gives me a really bad feeling. It's a tragedy that this girl had psychological problems which eventually resulted in her suicide. I truly feel for her family and I hope I never have to feel that kind of pain. However, had she simply been drunk (no other substances involved) when she killed herself, would the government have even considered banning alcohol? I think not.

What I fear is that the Netherland's gov't, seeking further "praise from Washington," will find some reason to crack down totally on the sale of marijuana. That statement speaks to a dark underlying problem with drug policies worldwide. Why do other countries try to seek approval from the U.S. when it comes to drug policies?

And I agree with the final few lines regarding the sale of mushrooms moving underground. You automatically create a black market for anything when it's banned. Who does that benefit? Ask Al Capone. Have we learned nothing?
 

blAsia

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Economy will falter, business owner and citizens would revolt and make it so hard for the government to operate (while in fear of losing their position) will have no choice but to repeal that. I think, but have no real idea (someone tell me), that the Dutch, even those that don't speak out, must be proud that country is pretty unique, and that MJ survives, even the pressure from the asshole bully govs. That really speaks in favor of the Dutch people... independent and understanding.

Black market is always good for some, bad for others. Right, though, it will go straight into the basements of everyone's home and then they will become criminals I suppose. It does not benefit the greater community, that is for sure.
 
blAsia said:
Economy will falter, business owner and citizens would revolt and make it so hard for the government to operate (while in fear of losing their position) will have no choice but to repeal that. I think, but have no real idea (someone tell me), that the Dutch, even those that don't speak out, must be proud that country is pretty unique, and that MJ survives, even the pressure from the asshole bully govs. That really speaks in favor of the Dutch people... independent and understanding.

Black market is always good for some, bad for others. Right, though, it will go straight into the basements of everyone's home and then they will become criminals I suppose. It does not benefit the greater community, that is for sure.

From the article, it sounds like the business owners (as well as others) already tried to sway the government's decision to no avail. :confused:

Call me jaded, but I simply think that the U.S. puts so much pressure on other countries to ban substances which the U.S. considers "bad" that the other countries eventually cave, regardless of popular public opinion.

I love the concept under which the U.S. was formed. I hate politicians and what the U.S. has become. (I know, that's not what this thread started as. I apologize for my digression)

Again, I'm sorry this girl killed herself. But it was NOT because she did shrooms. And making something illegal doesn't stop it from being consumed, and it doesn't curtail any harm that might be a direct result of its consumption. All it accomplishes is it automatically turns those who consume or "manufacture" it into criminals.

Just makes me sick. Sorry for the rant.

:joint:
 

pseudostelariae

Active member
it's sad that people use mushrooms in manners such as this. perhaps if people took the time to ready themselves for an experience like mushrooms provide and stay away from situations they might feel out of control in, things like this wouldnt happen. imho mushrooms are best taken alone, and in the dark, with no ill feelings and only a sense of furthering yourself.
 

vinevamp

Member
hey...there must be someone out there who is actually in amsterdam. Are the shops closed already? Has a date been set? Would surely like to come for a last hurrah.
 

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