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Burnside GC
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For a few years now I've been telling folks they have a fungal infection not broad mites. Lets put it this way, if you buy clones from a shop in SoCal you are having unprotected sex with a toothless meth hooker, at best
This a plant infected
A healthy leaf next to the fucked plant
Same strain same age just not fucked
This is fusarium, still somehow spreading its fucking face over a year since we threw almost everything away. This clone came healthy a few OG em ended up with plant AIDS
This a plant infected
A healthy leaf next to the fucked plant
Same strain same age just not fucked
This is fusarium, still somehow spreading its fucking face over a year since we threw almost everything away. This clone came healthy a few OG em ended up with plant AIDS
The symptoms I have been reading, about Fusarium, sound a lot more like what I had, then TMV. It can be spread through seeds, or contact, and someone that had lab testing done, did not find it in leaves or stalks, but did find in roots!!!! Just started reading -
https://www.*********.com/community...ts-worse-here-everyday-fusarium-solani.51997/
Unfortunately I can not post link to other site.
https://www.*********.com/community...ts-worse-here-everyday-fusarium-solani.51997/
Unfortunately I can not post link to other site.
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Burnside GC
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We sent in roots stem and leaves two years ago
Fusarium
Verticilum
It's all fungal gnar
Fusarium
Verticilum
It's all fungal gnar
I sent one that didn't have those but it tested positive for Pythium. I'm curious if it's something else and these are also present. The reason being that these aren't new issues yet this dud thing seems to be. Could be though. I've been growing since 05. Started indoor in 08 never seen or heard of this til a couple years ago. Seems to be the same timeline for a lot of folks. Wonder whT the part of this that is making it a new thing. Common root problems, while present don't answer all the mysteries.
Burnside GC
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Fusarium was found in Russia, iirc
Crazy enough an old room mate is the son of David Sands, the guy who helped the US weaponize it to combat coca in Latin/south America, google it if ya want
So they learned it works, so they used it on pot, and clone clubs spread it either unknowingly or even though they knew they sold them
I'm not blowing smoke, unfortunately this is real
Crazy enough an old room mate is the son of David Sands, the guy who helped the US weaponize it to combat coca in Latin/south America, google it if ya want
So they learned it works, so they used it on pot, and clone clubs spread it either unknowingly or even though they knew they sold them
I'm not blowing smoke, unfortunately this is real
Any references to recent use on weed inside of the USA.
I posted about weaponized fusarium way back in this thread, as it was my main suspect, however, I was chastised by xxxstr8edgexxx for trying to turn it into a conspiracy thread, which I wasn't. I know how diabolical the DEA is, and put nothing past them. If they can fuck us up in any way possible, they will. Meanwhile, we still need more testing, and peeps need to use preventative measures. Aspirin (salicylic acid), humic and fulvic acids (Florilicious & Florilicious Plus for one example of many), all of which boost plants immune system. In addition, use mycorrizae, trichoderma, and other bennies to kill/crowd out the nasties. Aquashield by Botanicaire is also excellent for that purpose.
The DEA doesn't inform us about their covert operations.
So it's speculation
I would guess a leaf hopper, but it is a guess. As there are 20,000 different ones.
-SamS
-SamS
It's no more speculation than other theories here, Ie., phytoplasmas,which you were sure your samples would have. Just to refresh your memory, and for those who only read the tail end of a long thread:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6402356#post6402356
post #590
"Fusarium? Definitely confirmed by lab.
Weaponized fusarium?
The first Agent Green fungus is Fusarium oxysporum, a family of “wilting” fungi whose species attack everything from corn and cotton to basil to watermelon. The anti-coca fungus species, Fusarium Oxysporum f. sp. Erythroxyli, was discovered accidentally when it wiped out a test plot of coca being grown in Hawaii. From that strain, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) developed the strain “Isolate EN-4,” which is supposed to attack only the coca plant, and which the US and UN want to spray extensively in Colombia.
The use of fusarium oxysporum to eradicate marijuana in Florida was proposed in 1999, and was soundly rejected by state officials as being a threat to the environment and agriculture. Secretary of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection David Struhs wrote in an April 6, 1999 letter:
Fusarium species are capable of evolving rapidly... Mutagenicity is by far the most disturbing factor in attempting to use a Fusarium species as a bioherbicide. It is difficult, if not impossible, to control the spread of Fusarium species. The mutated fungi can cause disease in a large number of crops, including tomatoes, peppers, flowers, corn and vines, and are normally considered a threat to farmers as a pest, rather than as a pesticide. Fusarium species are more active in warm soils and can stay resident in the soil for years.
Despite the Florida rejection, the US and UN went ahead with plans to pressure the Colombian government to use the fungus. The Clinton administration at one point tried to tie a $1.3 billion aid package to Colombian government approval of the fungus, and only backed off under considerable international pressure.
In October 2000, the Colombian government formally rejected this portion of the US/UN “Plan Colombia,” which also includes ongoing widespread spraying of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto’s “Roundup.” Colombian Environment Minister Juan Mayr said, “The government consulted national experts on the subject and decided not to agree to test the fungus because it felt that any agent foreign to the country’s native ecosystem could pose a serious risk to the environment and to human health.” Colombia’s neighbors, Peru and Ecuador, have also expressed concern about the proposed use of the fungus causing them ecological and agricultural damage.
The Colombian government’s position does not make this a closed issue, though. Companies such as Ag/Bio Con Inc., which holds a patent on the process of attaching the fungus to seeds for aerial dispersal, may be expected to keep the issue alive. Ag/Bio Con Inc. is headed by Dr. David Sands who worked on fusarium oxysporum at Montana State University for the USDA. The USDA has already invested at least $23 million in this research. The UNDCP has not dropped its endorsement of the plan. The spraying plan in Colombia does, however, appear to be at least dormant at the present.
A variety of different dispersal methods have been suggested. The most direct form would be aerial spraying of the spores. The lead US researcher that developed the EN-4 strain, David Sands, proposed to equip large transport aircraft to spray tons of F. oxysporum spores from specialized equipment attached to the bottom of the plane.
The idea to disperse the agent from a high altitude is intended to blanket large areas and to avoid ground-based gunfire. Forced eradication efforts – especially in war situations such as in Colombia or some Central Asian areas – are likely to meet armed resistance, and several chemical eradication pilots have been killed in the past. Sands favours spraying huge areas where coca is currently grown and, as a preventative measure, over areas where coca could be sown.
Fusarium is passed through seed! That means seeds are not safe anymore!
"If seed is taken from infected plants, the seed itself is usually healthy, but the seed coat often becomes contaminated by microscopic pieces of infected tissue and by spores. Many important Fusarium wilt diseases are spread in this manner. It is always prudent to treat seed with a fungicide or heat to destroy the fungus on the seed and to protect the emerging seedlings from infection."
Fusarium is definitely a fungus that has, at least, been implicated in government funded research for the eradication of drug crops. It has been suggested that this stuff has been sprayed in Colombia and possibly here in NA. Fusarium has a lot of variations. The one talked about below as the "pot eating fungus" is Fusarium Oxysporum and I don't know how different they are.
Tom Hill mentioned something about seeing the feds spraying botyritis, I believe. Wouldn't put anything past the DEA."
Mofeta, post 592: "I was wondering when the first mention of some government or corporate sabotage would occur, I can't believe it has taken this long. Are the other forum's members speculating along these lines in regards to duds, or is this your own personal feeling? Nothing personal, but I hope people don't latch onto that idea, it is irrelevant to what I am interested in, and could cause the rapid decay of this now pretty good thread."
xxxstr8edgexxx response: post #592:
"the government involvment is a fascinating component of all this, you should start a thread about it. the dea dud conspiracy thread. maybe we could keep this thread a resource about diagnostics prevention and cure regardless of where it originated. its not tht its not a worthwhile topic but i think this thread could turn unmanageable and be hard to use as a resource in the future for people trying to identify and solve this syndrome."
Why dismiss possible government involvement? Their creation of this pathogen might be a clue to what's going on, or it may not have anything to do with it, but why dismiss the possibility? There is no evidence of phytoplasmas that has been confirmed by a lab, yet you tested for it. Keep an open mind, and eventually we will have an answer, or answers.
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I think part bears repeating:
"Fusarium species are capable of evolving rapidly... Mutagenicity is by far the most disturbing factor in attempting to use a Fusarium species as a bioherbicide. It is difficult, if not impossible, to control the spread of Fusarium species."
So now it is weaponized Fusarium oxysporum? Or the Fed's spraying botyritis?
Give me a break....
Why not weaponized phytoplasmas? Or weaponized Broad Mites? Or weaponized nematodes?
Just as believable.
People,
Just take the time to send samples into the Calif lab or other labs that will test and try and find the real problems, pests or pathogens. Or continue to waste time speculating what the govt has done or is going to do, it is much easier speculating then finding the real truths. It does no good but it is easier.
And yes BTW, I do believe some people have more then one pathogen or pests.
And if any are weaponized, the lab will know this pretty easy, not that I think any are outside of a few lab experiments.
-SamS
Give me a break....
Why not weaponized phytoplasmas? Or weaponized Broad Mites? Or weaponized nematodes?
Just as believable.
People,
Just take the time to send samples into the Calif lab or other labs that will test and try and find the real problems, pests or pathogens. Or continue to waste time speculating what the govt has done or is going to do, it is much easier speculating then finding the real truths. It does no good but it is easier.
And yes BTW, I do believe some people have more then one pathogen or pests.
And if any are weaponized, the lab will know this pretty easy, not that I think any are outside of a few lab experiments.
-SamS
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Maybe we need to develop a weaponized Cannabis plant that attacks anyone that tries to kill it? Pests and pathogens included?
We just need a molecular switch to turn it off so the plant can be harvested by the grower. Otherwise I can see the headlines now "Cannabis kills thousands"?
-SamS
We just need a molecular switch to turn it off so the plant can be harvested by the grower. Otherwise I can see the headlines now "Cannabis kills thousands"?
-SamS
Not saying it is, Sam, just saying that anything is possible. And not necessarily weaponized, but mutated.
I think we all agree that more samples need to be sent in. That part of it is a "no brainer", yet the response has been underwhelming to this point. It's puzzling as to why it isn't happening, but my best guess is that people are culling their dudds to keep them out of their space for fear of contagion, or that they just don't have the funds to perform a whole battery of tests, which can get expensive when you add them all up.
I'm pretty sure Monsanto is already working on that, but don't quote me.
Burnside GC
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Sam, there you are, you fruity skunk you, hehehe
Yes, we paid a lab to test the leaf, stem, roots, and soil, the lab found fusarium
And I happened to mention it to a room mate, as soon as he heard Fusarium he was like, bro, my Dad
http://www.greens.org/s-r/26/26-14.html
There it is folks
Yes, we paid a lab to test the leaf, stem, roots, and soil, the lab found fusarium
And I happened to mention it to a room mate, as soon as he heard Fusarium he was like, bro, my Dad
http://www.greens.org/s-r/26/26-14.html
There it is folks
Burnside GC
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Seems you should listen and not spit shit SAM the fruity skunk man
Fusarium would be found in most soil, no?
Was the fusarium found in leaf, stem, and roots, in addition to soil? Can you post the test results, or tell us more about it, ie., strain (s) involved?
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