Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.

[Backyard Farmer]

The DEA isn't trying to fuck up marijuana grows,

Its ignorant to say biological fungicides don't work on fusarium, verticillium, Pythium , as companies like VERDERA and NATURAL INDUSTRIES would not be doing business on a national and international level selling biological controls if this were the case.

If you don't use them right they don't work. They aren't as easy to use as some chemicals you dump in and flood your plants with.

It's silly to think you can stop a fungus with a chemical and still have a plant survive...you need a stronger fungus to outcompete and eat the problem.

Again, no dud plants or products from real companies like verdera and tainio. Only dud growers who want to change timers to 12/12 and get paid with results that match growers who,dedicate their life to,it.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Meh, I agree with everything you say here BF, except I think DEA for sure is trying to infect growers. I think you don't see it as much because of where you're at at your growing methods and scale. But I think it's easy as fuck to get some bugs or eggs into some coco as it's coming into the country.... All I know is I never had fungus gnats until I used coco. Still never have them in soil crops, only coco. Clean room, clean clones out of a cloner, put them in coco, if I don't treat the medium, 30 days later there's gnats. Every time.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

I found that tin foil over the apical growth prevents it.

 

[mojave green]

Meh, I agree with everything you say here BF, except I think DEA for sure is trying to infect growers. I think you don't see it as much because of where you're at at your growing methods and scale. But I think it's easy as fuck to get some bugs or eggs into some coco as it's coming into the country.... All I know is I never had fungus gnats until I used coco. Still never have them in soil crops, only coco. Clean room, clean clones out of a cloner, put them in coco, if I don't treat the medium, 30 days later there's gnats. Every time.

lol, stop using coco!

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Pretty hard to match growth rate and yield with coco in my systems I run. Drain to waste coco for the win indoors when going for yield. Gnats don't fuck with a crop too much and their easy to get under control.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Big respect TMB.

Maybe, who knows...I don't ...I just know that it was a problem, now it isn't.

I'd prefer if you don't change any of your techniques. Your herb is fire.

 

[mojave green]

Pretty hard to match growth rate and yield with coco in my systems I run. Drain to waste coco for the win indoors when going for yield. Gnats don't fuck with a crop too much and their easy to get under control.

sounds like them ol fungus gnats be helpin yer grow.!

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Big respect TMB.

Maybe, who knows...I don't ...I just know that it was a problem, now it isn't.

I'd prefer if you don't change any of your techniques. Your herb is fire.

Thanks buddy!

See you next month! Wish I had time to stay out there and come up to the farm.

 

[RetroGrow]

Meh, I agree with everything you say here BF, except I think DEA for sure is trying to infect growers. I think you don't see it as much because of where you're at at your growing methods and scale. But I think it's easy as fuck to get some bugs or eggs into some coco as it's coming into the country.... All I know is I never had fungus gnats until I used coco. Still never have them in soil crops, only coco. Clean room, clean clones out of a cloner, put them in coco, if I don't treat the medium, 30 days later there's gnats. Every time.

Agree that DEA is most definitely infecting growers/dispensaries. Think about it. DEA has snitches on every level. Even if not part of their official policy, snitch/"growers" can be "persuaded" to go into gardens/dispensaries and drop their poison. Not to mention competing growers/dispensaries.
Have never "gotten" fungus gnats from coco. What kind of coco are you using?
Have never gotten anything from Canna bagged, and I check it with a scope before using, and have never seen anything that shouldn't be there.

 

[stasis]

Whiteflies carry BM's on their legs. They actually jump on. Whiteflies hate it.

Products like FORBID are also made to treat Whiteflies for this reason.
Pistil growth is arrested, they simply do not occur more than 50%. Trichome production also suffers as well as yield taste, aroma, etc.

Again, I state, some of You guys are killing Me. Look at Page 6 or 7 of the BROAD MITES ? thread for perfect pics in Veg of what is being called "Duds."
Those are the examples I use to show people at the Grow Shop. As their faces turn ashen in recognition.

I have often considered that a dusting of broad mites in a strategic place like Harborside's Clone room might be enough to spread it bad enough in CA (and thus the whole country from shipping of clones) to cause REAL damage to the amount of cannabis produced.

Kill the BM;s Guys. hahah.. Or else.

 

[Coconutz]

A fungus gnats entire lifespan is 30 days.
I dont think the dea is putting fungus gnats into your coco that are laying dormant for 30 days.
The eggs hatch within a week.

 

[RetroGrow]

Whiteflies carry BM's on their legs. They actually jump on. Whiteflies hate it.

We know about the phoresis, but how do you know whiteflies hate it? They might get off on it.

I have often considered that a dusting of broad mites in a strategic place like Harborside's Clone room might be enough to spread it bad enough in CA (and thus the whole country from shipping of clones) to cause REAL damage to the amount of cannabis produced.

Too late for that. Places like Harborside and PO have been spreading them for years, and they have done REAL damage. PO even has their own "Forbid" resistant strain. You are more at risk of getting BMs from walking into places like that than they are of getting it from you. They are already infested, and don't do much about it, so the plague continues to spread.
None of that, however, means there can't be some other causes of the generic term, "duds". I know what BM duds look like from my own many duds. The pictures I am seeing posted look different, more like fusarium wilt to me, but all of these guys are capable of scoping their plants, and would know if they had BMs. We are not dealing with total amateurs here.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

A fungus gnats entire lifespan is 30 days.
I dont think the dea is putting fungus gnats into your coco that are laying dormant for 30 days.
The eggs hatch within a week.

What about frozen in pallets of bags? Seems to be worse in the winter. And I'm not talking 30 days til I see one, 30 days till it's an infestation. So probably more like 1-2 weeks till they hatch and then 30 days later there's enough that have reproduced and hatched for it to be noticed.

Guess you gotta be über specific over here in the D.I.C.K. Thread. Lol.

 

[Coconutz]

I still dont think the dea is putting fungus gnats in coco because that would be silly...
What the hell is a fungus gnat going to do?
Only new growers are going to have issues with gnats.
Dont think the dea has to do anything and most newbs arent going to exactly be changing the world with their dope.
But Im a dick!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I do believe most of the problems you mention could be the three mites you refer to. That said do you really think that no one is confusing viruses, bacterial, or fungal diseases with BM damages?
Duds are only from BM et al?
I have found viruses in Cannabis, same with bacterial diseases like
witches broom, from Phytoplasmas.
What is the toxin that people say is injected into plants by these mites? If it is just a toxin then can plants be grown so much bigger the toxin is so diluted the plant will return to normal?
I agree that people can be in denial about BM CM & RM do you also agree that their are Cannabis viruses, bacterial and fungal diseases that affect Cannabis and could maybe just maybe, be causing one or two of these problems? I do. Denial is common. Science is all that matters......
-SamS

Gaius, ya' won't get any Yield. That is the worst part of the attack.

Broad Mites, as well as other Tarsoneimids, such as Cyclamen and Russet Mites, are the cause of "Duds." Let the Blustering cease.

I got 'em again in this other Med State as well as CA. So, Been through the war. Jeesh.

I ALMOST gave up. But, after talking at length with the ONE realist that I saved from complete Ruin - We read all the threads, the University info and Web Info we could find on these pests and treatments. Then We decided to FIGHT 'em, so that We'd come out on top - since People were so "In Denial around Here.".

Although winning the battle NOW, I am still embroiled. 'Cause as I said before, I act preventatively, and assume the BM's are still present. They are still there, but less and less with each succeeding generation. Can't get in there and spray the 2 heinous compounds that I spray while in the Flowering Stage, due to their Half-Lives, so Ya gotta address it in Veg..

PICTURED: Triple Diesel Bud harvested at 66 days - from a Clone that HAD BM's... Key Word: Had. [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52943&pictureid=1235049&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

Follow the directions of some of the People Who Have Gone To Battle on the BROAD MITES Thread (myself, retrogrow, many others), filter it all through Your belief system,
Be "On It," and You're done. Duds are not on a per-strain basis..!!!! Although, Like Spider Mites, certain strains seem to be more attractive than others to the Bugs..

The Plushberry I got in clone and started with the 3D and 40 seeds from Seedbay about 8 months ago was infested, thus I tossed 'em all - but the 5 "saved" 3D plants, which I based my present grow on. Took clones, flowered Four got a pound and a half, kept one plant for a Mom. Now, I am 2/3's done flowering the next 30, with 30 more in teen veg stage. All Trip-D, all looking good. Culled the plants that showed the disease caused by the Bugs' saliva. Spray every 8-9 days or so, alternating the 2 miticides, until Flowering Stage.

Although it is VERY hard to do, One Must Kill the Bugs, or Start Over from seed. Get a Scope. Get through this scourge.

Diligence, Preventative treatments will clean up the room.

I have stopped trying to educate People Here about it. They just look at Me like I'm speaking Icelandic about UFO's, and blame it on something unrelated.
Fine, Just makes My work look better. They lose the frost on the buds, and grow multiple generations of infested crops. Wondering why it came out so dry and lifeless... Hmmmm...

I believe the BM's will take over the Cannabis Scene, and only those who paid REAL attention will flourish.

My 2c. Not caring about the Haters. Science is all that matters.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I'm thinking that was their initial thought because it has been happening for years..... Now they're on to spreading root aphids...

 

[Tom Hill]

everything starts from genotypic and phenotypic expression. if your plant was not genotypically disposed to exposure,, the phenotype would have not manifested right? Sam is talking about growing your way out of it,,, but its weakness will always remain - if exposed again..

 

[high life 45]

Roots organic has had thrips and fungus gnats in their media for years. You can let a bag sit for 60 days and there will still be bugs in there.

Again, I state, some of You guys are killing Me. Look at Page 6 or 7 of the BROAD MITES ? thread for perfect pics in Veg of what is being called "Duds."
Those are the examples I use to show people at the Grow Shop. As their faces turn ashen in recognition.

I looked at those pics and that is what I would call "damage" and not "duds"

The damage from bms looks nothing like the strange growth I posted.

The leaves curling up at the edges, every time I have seen that IRL they are covered in eggs along the edge where the curl up. The weak yellow new growth also has been during an infestation, when I have seen it.

I first heard the term dud associated with bms in the sense that AFTER the bms are gone, the "toxin from their saliva" is still affecting the plants health even though theres no more bugs, the toxins from the bugs are still causing damage and the plant doesnt yeild.

None of that, however, means there can't be some other causes of the generic term, "duds". I know what BM duds look like from my own many duds. The pictures I am seeing posted look different, more like fusarium wilt to me, but all of these guys are capable of scoping their plants, and would know if they had BMs. We are not dealing with total amateurs here.

Did not find eggs on the "dud'd" growth

It sounds like there may be bms duds and fungal duds. ANy pics are welcome here.

Thanks for everyone who has contributed and stated their opinion, keep em coming.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

You guys are trippin. The dea is responsible for duds by sneaking into coco coir factories with fungus gnats and waltzing into harbor side with mites. Has it occurred to you that if the dea wanted to fuck you up they would just legalize hemp or weed for that matter. Buds that contain more protein than thc and are as profitable to grow as home brewing.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I never said DEA is responsible for duds, I am with the virus/root problem camp.

Way cheaper to covertly infect growers than pass new laws and regulate a new industry...