Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.

[Greyskull]

i know... this is the first really specific thread about it
thanks goodness its about time
and its got some heads with serious knowledge checking things out
YES!!!!

grizz can tell you about his experiences with it and confirm its a "pre glue" issue.

 

[RetroGrow]

I never noticed/read any dud threads been here a long time. But like I said I live a shelter life so WTF do I know..

Extensive discussion of "dudding" in the Broad Mite thread.
After that experience, I will never grow without aspirin in the rez.........'cause that helps to prevent "dudding", at least the broad mite kind. What's going on here may very well be something different. We won't know until someone sends some "dudded" material to a lab and has it assayed.

 

[Hammerhead]

I have never had broad mites, I got mites 1x in 25 years. I destroyed the the entire stock. Cleaned everything treated all equipment,walls,floor anything that was in the room. Started over. I don't normally get cuts from anyone only 4. I'm really anal about insects/bugs/Arachnids.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

ELISA (old technique) or a PCR would be a great start in my opinion. the person i most recently met that had a confirmed dud had just trashed it, so no dice. it looks like this is popping up more and more so i will get more chances im guessing. if any of yall get a dud and live in a med state go get the thing screened!

 

[DIDM]

here is my experience

small leaves
woody stems
that smell, can't you smell that smell? if you know a dud you know that smell
whole branches "fall out of socket"
affected branches look weeks behind other branches and they are full of white hairs
the plant will shoot out tons of small branches, a space that would see a few sees hundreds, on big plants
finished buds are very orange in color and smell of hay
not the whole plant will be affected, it seems that part of the root mass gets sick and then the parts of the plant that part of the mass feeds gets "sick"
Also branches not directly under the hood seem to not be affected


it's really a fucking mess, and honestly, the clone shops in Cali are responsible for most of this mess, I know that we got some funky shit from So Cali

Fusarium and Verticillium

Gawd help you that you never know these beasts

 

[DIDM]

It just seems odd to me that it only reared it's head after the LA Cup. Never herd of it until this fiasco happened. I guess I live a shelter life. I will say no more about it

DUDs have been around since long before the last LA cup

PO specializes in handing them out

 

[mojave green]

honestly, the clone shops in Cali are responsible for most of this mess, I know that we got some funky shit from So Cali

and yet you keep on gettin it!

 

[Hammerhead]

DUDs have been around since long before the last LA cup

PO specializes in handing them out

LOL@MG

Yes I know I have been told 2x already now 3x..

Not in my Garden lol

 

[DIDM]

and yet you keep on gettin it!

um, no

threw that shit away and started over

there really isn't much hope for a funky fungal outbreak

 

[Greyskull]

it looks like this is popping up more and more so i will get more chances im guessing

you know the old saying - sharing is caring hahaha
the road to hell is paved with good intentions

 

[DIDM]

you know the old saying - sharing is caring hahaha
the road to hell is paved with good intentions

proverbial "gift" that, you know, keeps on giving

 

[high life 45]

I'm still highly speculative of this phenomena. Until I see some legitimate science backing it or experience it first hand, I will remain that way. All of the clone drama only reinforces why I never use them or anything I haven't popped myself. Best of luck to any of you having issues. I hope you get them squared away.

Abe, do you believe in this? Its not photoshopped its a legitimate photograph. Please tell me what this is called.

you may want to reconsider your proposed formula as more than a few people are allergic to cinnamon. it would probably be worse for them to inhale cinnamon oil than many of those feared chemical miticides...

Thanks for the heads up..much appreciated. I grew up with someone allergic to dairy, wheat, fish, and cats. Allergies are no fun.

Are you allergic to cinnamon oil?
Is it more common than peanut allergy because I havent met anyone IRL that I can recall that are allergic to cinnamon.

Ed Rosenthals ZeroTolerance contains cinnamon oil at higher concentrations than what I plan to be using, being that it is a product of Eds and is directly marketed to the cannabis industry I think that I will be ok, I dont plan on spraying during flowering, swirskii mites will be used then. .

Making everyone paranoid they might have it is not the answer. I know I don't have it. Only the cut's from the LA cup have this problem...

Did I scare ya PF?

Please tell me what being too cautious is. . .you havent dealt with bms and I hope you never have to, and you have never seen a dud in your garden, so its probably hard for you to relate, I know you have had spider mites, LoL they are a joke compared to bms. Everyone who has had both will agree.

Making everyone very cautious might instill a desire to go the extra mile and be more diligent about the cleanliness of ones garden, it might also encourage constant surveillance of ones genetics, keeping an eye on every little branch and looking for the descriptors found in this thread.

How much time is too much time with your girls? Your only gonna get to know them better, the more time you spend looking at them.

Getting duds at the wrong time could take you out if you are solely reliant on your garden for income.

Since there is no evidence that any chemicals will prevent this, it shouldnt encourage any reckless pesticide usage. Aspirin is the only thing mentioned that may help your plants immune system. 325 ml a gallon.

I only thought to check out for duds because of so much talk about the la cup cuts having issues. Saved my ass if you ask me.

 

[Hammerhead]

Not at all. I know I don't have dud's or mites or any kind of insect in my garden. I guarantee it.

If you already have duds and you know it trash them. If your unsure Isolate them or get a known good cut. If you have any kind of mites destroy everything. Keep 2 cuts of your keepers root them then treat those with a weak solution of avid or forbid for 9 days they will be fine. DO NOT FOLLOW THE BOTTLES INSTRUCTIONS. Less is more..IMO doesn't matter if its your only means of income. If its infested with bugs/Disease it needs to be destroyed it's the right thing to do for everyone's safety. I don't want to be smokin on mites or plants that are way to far into veg/flower treated with pesticides trying to save them. This could harm someone.. If everyone did this we would not have such a problem with any type of mite.. People that use my flowers wont have to worry about this. I'm thinking of them not myself.

Anyway it's all good we all have our own Opinion this is mine.

 

[FatherEarth]

Not at all. I know I don't have dud's or mites or any kind of insect in my garden. I guarantee it.

If you already have duds and you know it trash them. If your unsure Isolate them or get a known good cut. If you have any kind of mites destroy everything. Keep 2 cuts of your keepers root them then treat those with a weak solution of avid or forbid for 9 days they will be fine. DO NOT FOLLOW THE BOTTLES INSTRUCTIONS. Less is more..IMO doesn't matter if its your only means of income. If its infested with bugs/Disease it needs to be destroyed it's the right thing to do for everyone's safety. I don't want to be smokin on mites or plants that are way to far into veg/flower treated with pesticides trying to save them. This could harm someone.. If everyone did this we would not have such a problem with any type of mite.. People that use my flowers wont have to worry about this. I'm thinking of them not myself.

Anyway it's all good we all have our own Opinion this is mine.

Agreed. I'd rather lose a crop, than poison people trying to save it.

Precisely why I don't smoke anyone's herb but my own ..

Do unto others...

Regular organic IPM once a week, without the presence of pests.
Every three days when there is noticeable insect pressure.

Nutrient dense crops with ample nutrient energy stored in the soil, ftw.

Losing isn't bad as long as you learn from it and take measures to ensure it doesn't happen again. It's farming.

My 2

Respectfully,

FE

 

[sunset limited]

it is soooo easy to be smug and cavalier about this thing.
until you are dealing with it yourself.
the feeling then is like being a star.
in the grapes of wrath, or maybe the book of job.
now i like to think of myself as a reasonable fellow, and i'm not superstitious about much, but i almost feel like warning certain members not to be so brazenly pleased with themselves, lest the canna gods smite them for their pride.

this is the sort of thing that will have even the most devoted student of reason and empiricism start looking in the back of free press for exorcists for hire.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

is this what you're showing in your pic? the main growth tips all turned to leaves. i dunno what it's called but i can tell you this happened because i revegged a budsite, i didn't let it fully reveg before i started topping to take clones. the clone i cut is in my flower box, this one is in the trash. i have several i took last round like that. the main tip died off and i'm left with rooted leaves. if you leave it long enough i'm sure it will resume normal branching...but it's like that old tree stump out back. it'll eventually start growing tree again...after some years.

 

[DJXX]

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is this what you're showing in your pic? the main growth tips all turned to leaves. i dunno what it's called but i can tell you this happened because i revegged a budsite, i didn't let it fully reveg before i started topping to take clones. the clone i cut is in my flower box, this one is in the trash. i have several i took last round like that. the main tip died off and i'm left with rooted leaves. if you leave it long enough i'm sure it will resume normal branching...but it's like that old tree stump out back. it'll eventually start growing tree again...after some years.

i think you must take cuts off of a healthy vigorous mom...on the reveg they must be putting out normal leaves before you can even think about cuts...i did the same thing you did by taking cuts jus alil too early and the cuts really show the passed on traits...hope this helps..dj

 

[Tonygreen]

 

[high life 45]

Not at all. I know I don't have dud's or mites or any kind of insect in my garden. I guarantee it.

If you already have duds and you know it trash them. If your unsure Isolate them or get a known good cut. If you have any kind of mites destroy everything. Keep 2 cuts of your keepers root them then treat those with a weak solution of avid or forbid for 9 days they will be fine. DO NOT FOLLOW THE BOTTLES INSTRUCTIONS. Less is more..IMO doesn't matter if its your only means of income. If its infested with bugs/Disease it needs to be destroyed it's the right thing to do for everyone's safety. I don't want to be smokin on mites or plants that are way to far into veg/flower treated with pesticides trying to save them. This could harm someone.. If everyone did this we would not have such a problem with any type of mite.. People that use my flowers wont have to worry about this. I'm thinking of them not myself.

Anyway it's all good we all have our own Opinion this is mine.

PF maybe I took too many bong hits, I just dont understand what your opinon is here. I told people to keep an eye out, as in keeping an eye out for duds. I never said spray any pesticides.

You mentioned, making everyone paranoid isnt the answer.

Im talking about using essential oils and swirskii mites, your talking about using avid and forbid.

I never had to use anything past neem to get rid of spider mites.

I grew these plants in a room next to a bm infestation, the rooms had air exchange between them. Never sprayed anything on these girls.

I have never sprayed anything in bloom, never planned to, and never mentioned it. So I think we are on the same page there. One of my patients is a dear friend and epileptic.

Im not saying to be careless or reckless with pesticides so you dont lose money. Im saying if your garden is your main source of income, its better to be extra cautious for duds and bms, use your eyes and watch the growth.

What dilution rates are you talking about for forbid and avid? What worked for you?.....less is more room for error when you give poor instructions.

Honestly I think many people would disagree about using less, that sounds like a recipe for broads or any pest to build a resistance to the 'cides. If thats your opinion, your correct that ours are different.. Like I said earlier, im moving towards essential oils bi weekly in veg. Im moving away from cides completely besides a dose for anything new that gets quarantined in its own isolation chamber. I dont think Ill be taking in much new stuff though.

We already know that I lost the four gg4 I got from the cup which were still in veg.
Trashed.

All the meds around here get tested before they hit the shelf, its state law.

If you got glue from la cup, keep an eye out. Im not saying its joseys fault or sl's fault. Im just saying keep an eye out and be cautious, not reckless nor careless.

Google "dudded, stunted, and runted plants" look for Delaes post #96 and check out the pics. A member here showed me this and it looks to be another good thread for info on duds, I havent read it completely yet.

HTH
HL45

 

[Greyskull]

So far around colorado I've seen True OG (TK), Bruce Banner #3, Ghost OG, Durban Poison, Dawg's Waltz, Blue Buddha, Girl Scout Cookies, and a sour cut that were for sure dudded out. I know the Bruce Banner and True OG were passed around as duds because multiple dispensaries and personal growers have dud cuts of it. Durban, Waltz, Buddha, and Banner I've seen dud out in my own grow, as well as probably five phenos I've popped from seed. It's definitely not affecting every genetic but it seems like once a genetic starts throwing out duds it's just a matter of time before you lose it completely...especially keeping moms as it seems like it can happen overnight. I've seen just a branch dud out on a 6 month old mom and the rest of the plant be fine, but that's generally spelling the end as far as I've been able to tell.

thats a lot of "grower error" going on hahaha