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Doomsday Prepping for Economic Catastrophy
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unspoken
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Architect, I don't think overpopulation is a case for eugenics. The way I look at it, "nature" will handle the population problem when it gets bad enough, but that doesn't mean it won't be nasty. Luckily, as far as population goes most of us are well insulated from the worst of the consequences via our wallets. I guess that's fair, let the poor people bear the burden by default. It's only natural, and it's not our place to decide.
frito bandito
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^ sorry boss, that's not how it's going to play out. anyone thinking we are gonna have an orderly collapse is deluding themselves. we're standing on the brink of WW3 at this very moment.
This is my point that you don't see over population as the problem. I don't mean it caused the current economic crisis but if we don't see the inevitable it will get worse eventually.
I am not for anything but rational planning for the planet. Population can be controlled by drought if you prefer that to birth control and attrition. One fella said earlier in the thread that drought or famine was a good tool for controlling population. That's a cruel and stupid way to plan the future though.
Population is the solution to our problems...more kids won't really help solve the problems but don't plan your life as if the end is coming. If I had done that I never would have had a child. Don't let my worries bother you and have a big family if you like. I am not a Nazi.
IMHO if we don't recognize over population as a problem we won't even think about it and I think religions just want more members in their church. Political parties want more voters and govts want more wage slaves. We deserve a better world but not if we put our heads in the sand and pretend everything will be fine.
It could become Idiocracy.
I am not for anything but rational planning for the planet. Population can be controlled by drought if you prefer that to birth control and attrition. One fella said earlier in the thread that drought or famine was a good tool for controlling population. That's a cruel and stupid way to plan the future though.
Population is the solution to our problems...more kids won't really help solve the problems but don't plan your life as if the end is coming. If I had done that I never would have had a child. Don't let my worries bother you and have a big family if you like. I am not a Nazi.
IMHO if we don't recognize over population as a problem we won't even think about it and I think religions just want more members in their church. Political parties want more voters and govts want more wage slaves. We deserve a better world but not if we put our heads in the sand and pretend everything will be fine.
It could become Idiocracy.
TLoft13
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BOG: I think you are factually correct that worldwide population levels COULD be a problem in some time. But that is not what motivates our so called western "leaders".
If that would be the case they wouldn't swamp our countries with un-assimilable foreigners to get a population surplus.
"The West" with his technical advances and temporarly shrinking populationbase is probably the single existing suistainable culture ATM.
If that would be the case they wouldn't swamp our countries with un-assimilable foreigners to get a population surplus.
"The West" with his technical advances and temporarly shrinking populationbase is probably the single existing suistainable culture ATM.
A taped up roll of nickels in your hand is worth more than $2 in a scrap. You can punch out Tyson, maybe lol. I'm gonna be fine at the end of the world, my dads got a 50 acre farm and more guns than I can recall. He's got the corn and potatoes, I got the herb, a country boy can survive. In case of zombie attack, does anyone know where the nearest ewok village is?
What I'm saying is the pro eugenics group, basically the guys running the show, would love to have the population willingly adopt population control because they perceive a threat from overpopulation themselves. That is to say they'd like to make population control a movement "of and by the people themselves".
Otherwise I pretty much agree, in today's world though there is much suffering that needn't take place. Africans, and the Arab people should be immensely rich, but they aren't because of the war mongering imperial oligarchs.
Actually, demographic changes are what is driving the problem in the advanced economies. Too many old, too few young following behind, kind of the opposite problem your proposing.
So, your for planning the population, but not he economy?
How bout the best way we know how, increase wealth and education of third world countries by freeing them of the bond of servitude laid upon their countries through western backed dictators and the corrupt oil and banking companies.
Education, reason, freedom, real wealth and security. Those are the answers, not population control. I wouldnt call you a nazi, but you sure promote a similar plan when it comes to population, wether you see it or not.
And we shouldn't think about it, we should focus on educating people and freeing them from the subjugation of poverty. Those two things will naturally control population.
The mortality rate, and security in old age are the two biggest drivers of the "overpopulation" problem. In third world countries it's important to have as many kids as possible, both to insure a few survive, and to insure that in old age their children can take care of them.
We need foreigners to harvest crops, it's an under the table farm subsidy.
Overpopulation?
Not a problem.
When theirs goes up, yours goes down.
Benjamin Check
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I prep, but I only prep with firearms. If you have a basic understanding of the capabilities/tactics of the government/military and a decent grasp of what people will do in a panic, laying up 5 years of freeze dried astronaut food in a bunker will seem very silly. Look at the people on the show. One guy shot his thumb off and passed out, one deafened himself shooting a precision snipers rifle from an enclosed blind, several others have bug out plans based on EMP threat, but their main transportation is a vehicle that will NOT work after a EMP strike. Currency collapse? Our economy is secured by the TANK, not gold bullion. America will continue to pass funny money because it is not what is backing it, it is what people will do for it, and what you can enforce. You don't like our dollar, we can not spend it with you and watch you starve and your economy collapse. Nobody wants that, so they all play along. If you get too vocal, we can always pressure the EU or U.N. or NATO into sanctioning you, play economic warfare or just conventionally invade you.
Right now, I have enough food in my house to last for 2-3 weeks. Most people do, but dont think so because they have not been in a survival situation. Just like the Cambodian wife on the show who escaped the Khmer Rouge, "you'll do anything to survive." True survivors of those type of situations view hoarding freeze dried bags of filet Mignon as the height of stupidity. If there was an impending disaster or crisis, I could lay up enough water, canned goods, and ammunition to last more than a month in a matter of hours. I don't need freeze dried potatoes au gratin and beef that's good for 5 years. If it looks like there wont be any food, power, water, medical attention and widespread civil unrest for more than 90 days to 6 months, your prepper supplies MAY be valuable, but what are chances of that? We waste as much as we eat. We're talking end of the world scenarios here...Look at the walking dead.....You think potatoes au gratin would help them? You need GUNS, and lots of them. With guns, I can take your supplies, or easily barter for more. You have freeze dried food, I have lots of guns.....who is going to be eating good that night?
Right now, I have enough food in my house to last for 2-3 weeks. Most people do, but dont think so because they have not been in a survival situation. Just like the Cambodian wife on the show who escaped the Khmer Rouge, "you'll do anything to survive." True survivors of those type of situations view hoarding freeze dried bags of filet Mignon as the height of stupidity. If there was an impending disaster or crisis, I could lay up enough water, canned goods, and ammunition to last more than a month in a matter of hours. I don't need freeze dried potatoes au gratin and beef that's good for 5 years. If it looks like there wont be any food, power, water, medical attention and widespread civil unrest for more than 90 days to 6 months, your prepper supplies MAY be valuable, but what are chances of that? We waste as much as we eat. We're talking end of the world scenarios here...Look at the walking dead.....You think potatoes au gratin would help them? You need GUNS, and lots of them. With guns, I can take your supplies, or easily barter for more. You have freeze dried food, I have lots of guns.....who is going to be eating good that night?
I think everything you said is spot on, with the exception of food storage. Some disasters can keep power and water out for a long time. If I am not mistaken, look at the people in New Jersey still. I bet those people wish they had freeze dried food with a stove in a can. Living in earthquake country, I worry about how fast "help" would arrive in the SF bay area if everything shook to the ground? Food insurance is just another just in case. I suppose you could always take your guns and take it from me, but who says I don't have guns also?
Well lets think about this shall we?
You= lots of guns
Me= fortified position, defensive positions, knowledge of surrounding area, like minded neighbours, a few guns, stored food and water incase I decide just to wait you out.
I see this ending really bad for you.
lol
Gotta love the internet gunslingers.
Gotta love the internet gunslingers.
Any solutions that work for you will be your choice.
All of the above would be good. Education might help but it depends if you teach the right things and we usually don't.
The more guns idea had already occurred to us but you really need a well armed gang. Your neighborhood may find the need to band together. That's a reality I wish wasn't true and that we could all go it alone but getting in a gang is probably the good idea. So should I get a nasty tattoo?
Seems like storing canned and dry foods is a good idea unless you really plan to go robbing and pillaging your neighbors. I wouldn't do that but hopefully you will have time to stock up at the last minute.
Being for planning and asking if there aren't already too many people on the planet doesn't make me anything like a Nazi other than the fact that I am white of skin. My eyes are red and my heart is black. Urine runs yellow so race isn't my issue.
I am a stupid white man though. Maybe thats why I don't see how education like we have could help anything? So where will we get the good educating for the new people who will need to make better decisions than us old fuks.
All of the above would be good. Education might help but it depends if you teach the right things and we usually don't.
The more guns idea had already occurred to us but you really need a well armed gang. Your neighborhood may find the need to band together. That's a reality I wish wasn't true and that we could all go it alone but getting in a gang is probably the good idea. So should I get a nasty tattoo?
Seems like storing canned and dry foods is a good idea unless you really plan to go robbing and pillaging your neighbors. I wouldn't do that but hopefully you will have time to stock up at the last minute.
Being for planning and asking if there aren't already too many people on the planet doesn't make me anything like a Nazi other than the fact that I am white of skin. My eyes are red and my heart is black. Urine runs yellow so race isn't my issue.
I am a stupid white man though. Maybe thats why I don't see how education like we have could help anything? So where will we get the good educating for the new people who will need to make better decisions than us old fuks.
Then you don't 'prep'. You fantasize.
Benjamin Check
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Well lets think about this shall we?
You= lots of guns
Me= fortified position, defensive positions, knowledge of surrounding area, like minded neighbours, a few guns, stored food and water incase I decide just to wait you out.
I see this ending really bad for you.
Well, you huddle in your house with your untrained neighbors and their pink guns. Fortified position......most likely a residential dwellling with boarded ul windows, easily set afire. Realize most seiges are very successful, even when rome was sacked. Realize I'm outside with unlimited access to supplies, and please believe I'm as deep as the governor from walking dead and by then, probably better armed. Certainly better trained and more experienced.
If you knew me, you would not have said that. I don't threaten or gunsling over the internet. Sometimes you never know who exactly you are dealing with. I may be a rookie to growing, but but not much else. I think sometimes growers forget you're in a game with limited everything, risk, reward, violence, penalties, and that some people play very different games.
Like I said, I have enough food for about a month just normally, as do most who freqent sams or costco. In addition to firearms, I have a plan, survival equipmemt, a similarly equipped team, cash, and a map of local "resources." I don't "fantasize" I collect firearms because I like them, and was gathering them long before any of this prepper nonsense. Also, having been in 2 natural disasters, and a few life or death situations, and having some training, I have a fact based grasp of what most people will do in a panic/survival situation. The vast majority will be waiting to see what happens. People with similar experiences as mine will quickly see the writing on the wall and make necessary moves. Many people drastically underestimate the desperation of others, and overestimate their abilities and the loyalty of friends and neighbors. Am I laying up food for years or buying a bunker....no. That is fantasizing.
You and your thug companions would be dispatched quickly with extreme prejudice in a vigilante world...
And here I was just gonna laugh n' call the kid a joke...well done, what with those fancy words.
TOM BOMBADIL
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if history has shown us anything its the success of group of humans banding together for their mutual aid. That is how we evolved from the i'll just take yours because i'm bigger, stronger, better armed or whatever. The Americas were settled by people banding together to farm and raise families. Never underestimate the strength of a peaceful family man defending what he would die for. Most takers are to selfish to form a cohesive group.
