Doomsday Prepping for Economic Catastrophy

[bentom187]

UBS Bank chief admits economic meltdown and devaluation were engineered
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its about the 5-10 minute mark ya dont have to watch the whole thing.

i can only imagine the good that willcome of this

http://www.thenewamerican.com/econo...s-kgb-fsb-converging-with-new-imf-banking-fsb

Monday, 25 February 2013 19:30
Putin’s KGB/FSB Converging with New IMF Banking FSB

The veterans of Russia’s KGB/FSB were chuckling to themselves, no doubt, as Russian President Vladimir Putin (right) announced his pleasure at Russia’s assumption of the presidency of the Group of Twenty (G20)* nations for 2013. Putin’s “strategic agenda proposed by Russia for the G20 in 2013” is loaded with favorable references to the FSB. The FSB acronym in Putin’s “strategic agenda” is not a reference to the dreaded Russian secret police (successor to the Soviet KGB and its earlier incarnations as the NKVD and the Cheka), however; it is a reference to the Financial Stability Board, a new institution created by the G20 leaders in 2009, ostensibly to deal with the economic crisis.

Nevertheless, the “coincidence” of choosing a name for this new, secretive global financial police with the same acronym as the Putin’s feared agency is oddly apropos. The G20’s FSB is a shadowy financial power that is headquartered inside another even more secretive, shadowy global financial powerbase, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in Basel, Switzerland.

Despite repeated appeals to accountability and transparency in the FSB Charter, the FSB — like the BIS and the Central Banks whose heads compose the Plenary that governs the FSB — operates in murky opaqueness, outside the controls of the U.S. Congress, national parliaments, or any constitutional constraints.

Putin’s KGB/FSB regime is represented in the BIS/FSB by: Deputy Minister of Finance Sergey Storchak; First Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Alexey Ulyukaev; and Head of Russia’s Federal Financial Markets Service Dmitry Pankin.

Communist China is represented on the BIS/FSB by: Vice Minister of Finance Li Yong; Governor of the People’s Bank of China Zhou Xiaochuan; and Chairman of the China Banking Regulatory Commission Shang Fulin.

The United States is represented on the BIS/FSB by: Under Secretary for International Affairs Department of the Treasury Lael Brainard; Governor of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System Daniel K Tarullo; and Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission Elisse B. Walter. Messrs. Brainard and Tarullo are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the premier globalist organization pushing, for much of the past century, for one-world government through global economic, political, and social “convergence” of the communist and socialist nations with the United States.

The BIS/FSB’s member institutions include the central banks of the G20, as well as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, the European Central Bank (ECB), the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), and several International standard-setting bodies and other groupings, such as the Committee on the Global Financial System (CGFS), which is also headquartered with the BIS in Basel and is chaired by William C Dudley (CFR), president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Comrade Criminal: Russian KGB/FSB and Global BIS/FSB United in “Supersizing” IMF

The cooperative push by both the Russian FSB and global banking Insiders’ FSB for what they call “International Financial Architecture Reform” has in common the effort to transform the International Monetary Fund into a global Federal Reserve, with vast new powers. This cooperative effort mystifies many observers. “How could these seemingly opposite forces be working for a common goal?” they ask. Those who are stumped by this seemingly incongruous collaboration obviously are not familiar with the history of the IMF and the 1944 United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference at Bretton Woods that produced the IMF, the World Bank, and much of the current “architecture” that is responsible for the economic chaos and destruction visited upon our planet since the Second World War.

The key architects of that UN Bretton Woods conference were Harry Dexter White, a top Soviet agent in our Treasury Department, and Fabian Socialist economist John Maynard Keynes. The first Secretary of the IMF was Virginius Frank Coe, who was also a Communist agent, a member of the infamous Silvermaster Cell, one of the many NKVD/KGB cells that had infiltrated to top levels of the federal government. Then as now, Moscow’s KGB/FSB agents can count on the support of their CFR confreres in the U.S. government and the U.S. banking/business sectors. Both the KGB/FSB and the banking Insiders of the BIS/FSB share a mutual interest in establishing a global regime of international financial control unconstrained by market competition or national governments.

*The members of the G20 are: Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, China, European Union, France, Great Britain, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, and the United States.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

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You clowns are as dumb as shit, do you ever leave your house and

interact with other other human beings?


The world is moving on without you, Have fun in your bunker lol.



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[mean mr.mustard]

I don't build bunkers but I do save heirloom varieties of seed.

That paired with the knowledge of how to dig a well should serve some purpose.

I can't see it being dog eat dog for very long.

Humans need each other.

It's true.

Bunkers and stockpiling eighty days worth of fresh water isn't really important to me.

If people can't band together in some type of community without money meaning anything, then I'm better off in the ground.

I'd rather die than see everything fall apart.

If love is lost, sweep me up.

 

[bentom187]

i found these two companies they seem legit and the historical information is intresting too. what do you guys think? all of it seem pretty delicious,i wouldnt mind having to eat any of it for long periods of time.

would this be considered spamming? if so ill take it down just lmk.
http://rareseeds.com/seed-collections/large-northern.html
All of our seed is non-hybrid, non-GMO, non-treated and non-patented.

http://comstockferre.com/about/
We have over 250 varieties of open-pollinated, pure, natural & non-GMO seeds!


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/07/food-ark/siebert-text

"Food varieties extinction is happening all over the world—and it's happening fast. In the United States an estimated 90 percent of our historic fruit and vegetable varieties have vanished. Of the 7,000 apple varieties that were grown in the 1800s, fewer than a hundred remain. In the Philippines thousands of varieties of rice once thrived; now only up to a hundred are grown there. In China 90 percent of the wheat varieties cultivated just a century ago have disappeared. Experts estimate that we have lost more than half of the world's food varieties over the past century. As for the 8,000 known livestock breeds, 1,600 are endangered or already extinct.

Why is this a problem? Because if disease or future climate change decimates one of the handful of plants and animals we've come to depend on to feed our growing planet, we might desperately need one of those varieties we've let go extinct. The precipitous loss of the world's wheat diversity is a particular cause for concern. One of wheat's oldest adversaries, Puccinia graminis, a fungus known as stem rust, is spreading across the globe. The pestilence's current incarnation is a virulent and fast-mutating strain dubbed Ug99 because it was first identified in Uganda in 1999. It then spread to Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Yemen. By 2007 it had jumped the Persian Gulf into Iran. Scientists predict that Ug99 will soon make its way into the breadbaskets of India and Pakistan, then infiltrate Russia, China, and—with a mere hitch of a spore on an airplane passenger's shoe—our hemisphere as well.

Roughly 90 percent of the world's wheat is defenseless against Ug99. Were the fungus to come to the U.S., an estimated one billion dollars' worth of wheat would be at risk. Scientists project that in Asia and Africa alone the portion of wheat in imminent danger would leave one billion people without their primary food source. A significant humanitarian crisis is inevitable, according to Rick Ward of the Durable Rust Resistance in Wheat project at Cornell University."

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Baker Creek is the company I buy from for new heirloom varieties.

The company is top notch and stands by its principles.

They found through testing that many of their corn varieties were contaminated by GMO genes and rejected them and notified the seed suppliers before the seeds ever made it to market.

It probably wasn't even known to the seed suppliers at the time because of rogue pollinations being unnoticed.

Whenever I live in an urban setting I'll grow my heirlooms to keep variety pure.

If I live in rural farmland then I grow my old seeds and reject the immediate generations, due to the probability of genetic poisoning from "professional" seed suppliers.

 

[bentom187]

whats intresting is i didnt see wheats or grains anywhere on their lists.ill have to do more digging to find those i havnt been through the whole site.

how many generations of breeding them out will it take, until you can consider that its pure again? and how can someone tell the difference between contaminated and not contaminated?

this seems like one of the cheapest parts of prepping and its something everyone can do and get started on immeidiatley plus the more food everyone else has the less of a target we present,and if everyone is farming instead of looting it will keep many occupied.

 

[lost in a sea]

Baker Creek is the company I buy from for new heirloom varieties.

thank you i've been trying to find that store for a while now..


i use a site here in the uk for hierlooms called realseeds.co.uk.. now they have to make you a member of their seed club so that they can legally sell you strains not authorised by the EU nazi government..

whats intresting is i didnt see wheats or grains anywhere on their lists.ill have to do more digging to find those i havnt been through the whole site.

how many generations of breeding them out will it take, until you can consider that its pure again? and how can someone tell the difference between contaminated and not contaminated?

this seems like one of the cheapest parts of prepping and its something everyone can do and get started on immeidiatley plus the more food everyone else has the less of a target we present,and if everyone is farming instead of looting it will keep many occupied.

basically you cant,, you cant breed for things you cant see/taste/smell etc.. the crucial thing is just them changing some coding enough for them to be able to patent it and then by pollinating competitors and then using courts to sue them out of existence or/& force them to sell out..

i was thinking the other day actually that anyone even remotely worried should buy a spare cheapo fridge some top quality locking jars and some silica dessicant and fill their fridges with heritage and heirloom seeds..

for less than £/€5-600 $750 you can amass enough genetics to guarantee your future growing needs and keep them in a condition that will keep them germinating for up to 10 years, and alot longer in some cases..

 

[Weird]

i bought 30 something dollars of baker creek seeds and have a lifetime of non gmo stock

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Why didn't you build a bunker instead??

 

[bentom187]

basically you cant,, you cant breed for things you cant see/taste/smell etc.. the crucial thing is just them changing some ..

thanks,i was thinking along the same lines.it seems almost inevitable that at some point in time,maybe more often than not,they will be cross pollinated.this is a problem if everyone starts buying monsanto seeds and not heirloom.im not sure how much that matters if its only a short term period that we have to resort to these messures.
perhaps to curve the risk to ourself,indoor gardening and outdoor farming far from populations might help,theres lots of variables to consider but it just makes sense to me.

seemingly,that leaves buying bulk as the best option,for presivation and quality.im still getting the variety pack/s though. for survival people might have other considerations, like logistics and cost/benifit involved of lugging a bulk amount around if people had to.i guess people can use their imaginations to adapt to bugging in and out.

 

[mrcreosote]

Thanks Bushy,
I try, but I'm not very adept at correlation so most of what I say sound like flat statements of opinion without the long winded explanations of why it would be so.
Granted, there are so many innumerable inputs and results in a functioning economy that it makes it difficult for a dummy like me to create a cogent argument that leads me to my conclusions.
In essence, I'm preaching to the choir of those who already read much more expert people than me, but hopefully I've given an impetus or piqued some curiosity to those who intuitively know that we are treading dangerous ground to look further behind the matrix of noise that passes for information.

Interesting is your comments on growth. There is a (IMHO) misconception that a constant state of growth is necessary or even desirable.
If we consider that interest rates are essentially the same as prices in determining a goods value (time preference, ie. buy now, pay more later) then it is imperative that the market place set that value and not a manipulative cabal of private interests (FED RES).
This is no different than price controls that distort pricing that lead to waste.
On a finite set of resources, waste is senseless squandering of capital, raw materials and labor.
With sound money that cannot be inflated at whim and real bills for manufactured goods
that provide for a temporary 'elasticity' of money supply as needed (non-usury debt that is extinguished in 90 days), a more or less steady state of an economy can be achieved without the wasteful destruction of capital and mal-investment that boom bust cycles create and, in fact, need to exist.

End the Central Banks monopoly on money, create hard money Gold and silver that float relative to each other, restore the use of real bills in commerce and abolish fractional reserve (counterfeiting value) lending would insure that the economy doesn't find waste profitable.

Can you imagine leaders of countries advocating war if they couldn't borrow by fiat currency creation and had to convince people to fund them by selling bonds directly?

"We gotta shoot these bastards, just lend me 100K each."

That's why it wont happen unless we force them by refusing to give them taxes. I'm pretty sure that exchanging one bankster stooge for another won't get it done.
There's millions of us and only a few of them.

And they know it.


Original thinking by a giant who will someday rank among the geniuses of our times. Explanations of gold standard, real bills etc.

http://www.professorfekete.com/articles\AEFTheGoldProblemRevisited2.pdf

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Good point and did you see on sixty minutes this week how the Chinese have built cities with no people with hundreds of empty buildings intended for residential use but not bought. They have the building bubble so big and ready to burst.

More people aren't the answer to our worlds problems but why doesn't everyone see this simple truth. The value of one human life is divided by the number of people on the planet. This makes the individual minuscule in value...like a penny.

This economic catastrophe will change things but we will always find a way to afford war. I am for austerity in govt and without a balanced budget we risk a lot. I would love to see entitlements changed to insurance so rich people don't get what they can afford.

That could fix the hole in the USA budget but what about china and Europe? This world is just taking short term measures to put off the crash.

 

[draztik]

Just so everyone's on the same page.

The global banking families have gained control of our government and monetary system. They are a banking cartel that literally controls the concept of money. This is key to understanding how they gained power through fraud. Their history is well documented but never taught in any history lessons in our children's schools for a reason.

To truly understand the magnitude of our situation you must understand the fraud of fractional reserve banking and who and/or what is the Federal Reserve. No matter which way you slice it some folks will not be able to handle the fact that the FED is a privately owned bank that perpetuates the illusion its a government agency. They have stolen all the real wealth of the world with their fiat paper money Ponzi scheme.


The Federal reserve is a privately owned central bank that prints fiat paper notes backed by nothing and lends them to our government at interest. The IRS is their collection agency. The taxes we pay are to serve the debt owed to the FED by our government. If you live in the U.S. the money in your pocket says federal reserve note. Our money use to say silver certificate because that dollar bill, that piece of paper in your hand was just a receipt for physical silver. Our monetary system in the U.S. is a debt based monetary system which means in order for money to exist it must be lent into existence through bank loans. These loans bear interest. Where does the money come from to pay back the interest if it doesn't exist?

The banking cartel uses stealth to keep their power and influence hidden from the general public. This is done through multiple aspects of our society. One way this is accomplished is through compartmentalization. This keeps information in a hierarchical structure from those who aren't on a need to know basis.
The clerk at the desk doesn't know as much as the manager in the office who doesn't know as much as the president of the company. This is one way people and information are controlled. When you control the concept of money your wealth is not measured in dollars and cents it's measured in how much power you have, all you care about is power.

The object of power is power. The power is hidden through giant banks and corporations. To the average person these appear to be many separate companies operating independently. But further investigation would reveal that most are owned by giant conglomerates, the further you dig the more the power and influence becomes consolidated into the hands of a few. This is the case in all aspects of our society. Their sphere of influence is so great it is virtually inescapable.

Take a moment and examine one part of this control grid. They control the giant news media centers of the world controlling all information and filtering out news stories on a per country basis. Sports and entertainment are tailored to your country or regions culture. All programming broadcasted on T.V. is carefully engineered with an underlying theme or message that promotes their agenda in your area. Even down to the tone of voice the news anchor has when presenting the story to you has a purpose. They use disinformation and propaganda to confuse and dumb-down the public.

The bankers are collectivists. The collectivists model is to destroy the individual. They put the group before the individual. They push the idea that individuals cannot make their own decisions and there must be a government panel that will tell you what you can and cannot do. Starting to sound familiar? I can spend hours writing about different ways they engineer society. I'll keep it brief, these people are responsible for the collapsing economy because they engineered the collapse. They are the reason why people are starving to death and the earth is being polluted. They create artificial scarcity to control populations. They destroy innocence.

The struggle to be free to use our sacred herb goes hand in hand with the struggle for individual freedom from tyranny and oppression by governments. For too long we have gone along with the lies of these so called "Leaders" who are just career politicians, bureaucrats funded by the global banking elite to dismantle the little bit of freedom we have left.

The majority of the general public who are typically good folks are confused and kept divided by political allegiances. Divide and conquer has been used for ceturies. Left VS. Right, Republican VS. Democrat, Liberal VS. Conservative. The media spews out new terminologies everyday to categorize anyone and everyone. They know from their in depth study of psychology that when people are in a group setting they don't want to be an outcast so they will alter their behavior to fit into the group. Most people will try to find the political group that best reflects their moral values, others will mindlessly join any group just to fit in.

The global banking elite fund these political parties and they just never seem to do what the people ask. Each election someone promises to fix the problems but they just keep getting worse no matter what solutions they have come up with. Little by little we are conditioned to accept the corruption and failure as coincidence or to big to fail. Justice is never served. This same situation is happening world wide.

Many good folks have been brainwashed by these sociopaths, I was once brainwashed but I educated myself about the truths of our reality. We must make sure our children can live in a free and open society. The lies and corruption must end or we will pay with our freedom.

 

[ronbo51]

I read on Zero Hedge that the bankers see the potential of Africa to yield 5-10 trillion dollars in interest if its people and resources could be financialised. That's when it hit me. This whole construct, the point of singularity, the steady pull of gravity is to the banks and the interest they earn. From the misery in Greece, the hopelessness of young people in Spain, students in the US with mortgage like student loans, underwater mortgages, ghost cities in China, all the bullshit and propping and crony insider waste and greed, the loss of dignity and honor, all for interest to the bankers. And, when their recklessness and blind greed took us to the brink they made us pay and beg them to take even more from us.
Every hour the Fed lends 188 million dollars forward that must be repaid with interest. That interest and principal is a tax that must be repaid or else every government in the world will collapse and as much as I pretty much detest government that would not be good. They have us hard by the balls. And the crazy thing is they could fold up tomorrow and it wouldn't hurt them at all. They have gold and islands and hard assets, and eventually governments will turn to them again to start the whole stupid mess all over.
We are in a bad spot. They have us all divided on stupid shit that is inconsequential compared to the downside risk of not getting our fiscal house in order. It is scary to see so many people capitulate to big government. My generation, the boomers, have completely sold out and fully embrace the welfare state, the warfare state, the tax your ass into poverty state. And young people seem totally oblivious to the stark weight of the promises being made on their future earnings, the near impossibility of the math of it all. How you can go through an entire academic career from k to wherever and never take a class about money, debt, compounding interest, and before you even finish high school you are attacked by bankers and government trying to get you into as much debt as possible as quickly as can occur. It's just sad. The waste of it all.
The obvious answer is to not participate as much as you can, which requires a level of self reliance that is very difficult. Get your money out of the banks, out of the system and get as far ahead as fast as your assets and skills allow. I bugged out in the early eighties before the internet and the widespread use of solar. Now there are so many more resources, but in the end it comes down to really hard work, some land, and some good people around you. And there's not much time left. And so much to do.

 

[OrganicBuds]

Did anybody know that Greece now has old global bank leaders as their political leaders now? When they started defaulting on debt, the banks placed these people into position. Now bankers are literally ruling a country.

 

[bombadil.360]

correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Greece have about 50% of its employed population in government bureaucratic jobs?

that means, 50% of the working force were not producing any goods and services which are the factors that pump value into a given economy.

no wonder they collapsed.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Did anybody know that Greece now has old global bank leaders as their political leaders now? When they started defaulting on debt, the banks placed these people into position. Now bankers are literally ruling a country.

They have been under full blown banking occupation for a while now. All tax revenue is diverted to paying interest on the debt. Each bailout has added to the amount of revenue needed to pay interest on the debt. There is no more money for services anymore. The people are being bled out and slowly killed.

Same thing is happening in Italy too. Monte, the installed technocrat, was an ex Goldman Sachs squid. Their government just collapsed though so no one is sure how that's going to play out.

 

[ronbo51]

The Greeks were productive all right. They were producing the most valuable commodity: interest. And they pledged everything they own or have ever thought about as collateral. Now its payup time.

 

[ronbo51]

And don't forget that we are right behind them. If 50% of Greek GDP was do to direct employment by government where do we stand in the US? How much does Walmart make from loaded EBT cards, medicare drug subsidies, SNAP, social security. Our entire student loan program, which is about to collapse, is run and funded by the government. Government fleets to prop up auto companies, the war machine to prop up the big industrial machine, all of education from top to bottom, unemployment, SSI, the VA, doctors. Everywhere you look everything is shimmed and taped and propped and halfassed jury rigged, held together with the glue of government money that was borrowed from the FED and distributed with only political regard, not what is right or wrong, or unwise, or unproductive.
The nanosecond that the government cannot borrow as much as it needs, and that number grows currently exponentially to infinity, we are done. It all shuts down, frozen in place. That's what happened in September 2008, and nothing has been fixed, in fact things are way worse. The Too Big Too Fail banks are bigger, we are further into irreversible debt, the economy rots as all resources go to the banks, more people are hurt, politicians are all lacking, and the insiders party. Tick-tock.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

The interest on the debt will become so large that a bust finally has to come.

I quite agree that things have gone so far that this catastrophe isn't far off.

Starvation will occur even without a drought because this will cause the price of basic foods to quantum leap. It's hard to say what will happen because we could all be unable to afford our mortgages or our gas and food. Will the electric companies keep running without a working economy?

Will p g and e start accepting barter? Trade ya a lb for a months worth of juice?