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Does anyone believe that there is a synergy between man and plant??
Jiu Jitsu Playa
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no and to think this is possible means you prob believe in ghosts too
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ureapwhatusow
did you read the original post?
its about biological connections between us and our environment that we have yet to discover
nothing to do with mystical elements
please stay relative to the topic and content
and leave your disparities to your self
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ureapwhatusow
there is some proof of plants perceiving and reacting to the world around them
linked form the video section of ICMAG
http://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=666
linked form the video section of ICMAG
http://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=666
Jiu Jitsu Playa
Member
my most sincere apologizes ureapwhatusow
i also believe that plants do react to the world around them as described in the video thread. i have studied this in adv. plant biology arizona state university. i must say i was a bit confused originally..
i also believe that plants do react to the world around them as described in the video thread. i have studied this in adv. plant biology arizona state university. i must say i was a bit confused originally..
"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive." (Albert Einstein, 1954)
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no this kind of synergy
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very much so. The nug you grow will get you much higher thn any you buy. that is my proof.
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ureapwhatusow
than you for the appology, hope i didn't get too defensive, this wasn't a thread about pot mysticism
Perhaps it is my words, I haven't formally studied plant biology
part of hobby gardening is learning through observation
but put 15 years of observation in place and you notice certain phenomenon
Now biology in jr. high school taught me about parasitic and symbiotic relationships
I think that man does indeed share a symbiotic relationship with marijuana, one that could easily be substantiated
HOWEVER, I feel it is evolving past symbioses right into synergy.
I think it versatility proves it
not only because its a food, fiber, fuel or medicine but because it of the relative ease that it does so regardless of our own species efforts to eradicate it, and as it comes into being even they are learning to embrace it
its use immerses every religion, sex, race, creed, color, income level of every person on this earth
but more so and something you may no be able to say you have observed wihtout many years experience
breeding marijuana for self medicating purposes ... the same phenomenon occurs
do you think its so far out to think that the terpin profiles change over subsequent generation to more perfectly meet that persons medicinal needs?
and please, don't say we are sure that it snot possible.
we don't even understand the human body completely, since just discovered that the appendix is not a organ left over from evolution. Instead of being a bark digesting second stomach it stores good bacteria during infections so your body doesn't lose it complete bacteria colony
Im not suggesting that there is a pot genie that resides in plants and talks to us, but there may be some biological, physiological interactions we are not fully aware of
as i see its potential impact on human agriculture equivalent to the impact transistors had on electronics
Great thread 
Indeed, our ancestors were 'intimately connected to plants'. Systems of capitalism have since devalued the role of plants and our own relationship with plants and animals. Such alienation has resulted in a general lack of knowledge about plants and animals and nature as a whole. Rediscovering our botanical past is an on-growing process with so much knowledge lost!
Moreover,, we are what we eat!! The plants that we either directly or indirectly consume (via veggies or meat) are the direct carbohydrates which constitute the anatomical and bio-chemical structure of the human body mass. In this way there is a direct synergy between the human diet and the specific plants that people now cultivate for food. (for example a massive % of the American diet is made up of Yellow Dent #1 Sweetcorn :
see 'King Corn' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDurZc5Yr6c
It would be interesting to do a comparative study over people that eat cannabis as a major % of their diet. They'd be made of ganja and perhaps their minds would evolve!
Hope this helps
Indeed, our ancestors were 'intimately connected to plants'. Systems of capitalism have since devalued the role of plants and our own relationship with plants and animals. Such alienation has resulted in a general lack of knowledge about plants and animals and nature as a whole. Rediscovering our botanical past is an on-growing process with so much knowledge lost!
Moreover,, we are what we eat!! The plants that we either directly or indirectly consume (via veggies or meat) are the direct carbohydrates which constitute the anatomical and bio-chemical structure of the human body mass. In this way there is a direct synergy between the human diet and the specific plants that people now cultivate for food. (for example a massive % of the American diet is made up of Yellow Dent #1 Sweetcorn :
see 'King Corn' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDurZc5Yr6c
It would be interesting to do a comparative study over people that eat cannabis as a major % of their diet. They'd be made of ganja and perhaps their minds would evolve!
Hope this helps
I watched a very interesting program on the Science Channel the other day called "Revenge of the Plants"
Now, I don't want to get into everything the show did, but one very interesting part was about the way a certain tree or bush (can't remember exactly, regardless) was being "attacked" via grazing of Gazelles or some other savanna mammal.
Anyway, what they found was that branches of this plant that were heavily pruned due to grazing tended to produce significantly higher amounts of a toxin. This toxin, after building up for long enough in the mammals system would kill the animal.
Also, they wrapped heavily pruned branches with plastic bags for several hours. This allowed them to take a sample of the gasses expelled by the plant. The plant biologists found that, the more heavily pruned plants/branches expelled more etheleyne (sp) gas then less pruned branches/plants.
They also found that, when exposed to etheleyne gas, other plants of this species would produce more of this toxin. SO basically this is a rudimentary form of communication from one plant to the next of the same species which helps the plant to "protect" itself in a way so that it doesn't get pruned to the point it dies.
SO, if they are capable of communicating in a way with other plants, it's QUITE POSSIBLE our interactions with plants are extremely significant. We just aren't aware enough (perception) to physically see it IMO.
Now, I don't want to get into everything the show did, but one very interesting part was about the way a certain tree or bush (can't remember exactly, regardless) was being "attacked" via grazing of Gazelles or some other savanna mammal.
Anyway, what they found was that branches of this plant that were heavily pruned due to grazing tended to produce significantly higher amounts of a toxin. This toxin, after building up for long enough in the mammals system would kill the animal.
Also, they wrapped heavily pruned branches with plastic bags for several hours. This allowed them to take a sample of the gasses expelled by the plant. The plant biologists found that, the more heavily pruned plants/branches expelled more etheleyne (sp) gas then less pruned branches/plants.
They also found that, when exposed to etheleyne gas, other plants of this species would produce more of this toxin. SO basically this is a rudimentary form of communication from one plant to the next of the same species which helps the plant to "protect" itself in a way so that it doesn't get pruned to the point it dies.
SO, if they are capable of communicating in a way with other plants, it's QUITE POSSIBLE our interactions with plants are extremely significant. We just aren't aware enough (perception) to physically see it IMO.
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ureapwhatusow
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i just read a review on botany of desire and someone has done a film cataloging their that plants manipulate us to do their bidding
ty to the OP of this reference ive seen it here before
either im not crazy but genius in my observation
or im crazy and this dude is too
very interesting
http://www.newsday.com/columnists/j...chael-pollan-s-the-botany-of-desire-1.1543810
As gardeners, we're familiar with the notion of companion planting, the practice of deliberately grouping certain plants so they can take advantage of each other's chemical- and disease-fighting properties. Lots of plants thrive from this mutually beneficial, symbiotic relationship. What's never occurred to me, though, is whether plants have such a relationship with humans.
>>Watch the trailer: Michael Pollan's "The Botany of Desire"'
Leave it to Long Island son Michael Pollan, renegade cowboy of common sense. What I love most about the Hempstead native is that he's not a narrow-minded zealot, as many authors seem to be these days. In his 2006 bestseller, "The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals," he gave us an inside look at the industrial food chain and showed us its effect on the environment.
While I personally know of at least one person who converted to vegetarianism after reading the book, Pollan himself admits submitting to the occasional hamburger. Still, his mantra has been, "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."
He followed up with 2008's "In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto," presumably to reassure readers it's OK to eat, as long as what you're eating is really food. As it turned out, the term "food" required clarification.
A contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine since 1995, Pollan, who moved from Hempstead to Farmingdale at age 5 and then to Woodbury later in his childhood, lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. He was recently honored with the President's Award from the American Institute of Biological Sciences and the Truth in Agricultural Journalism Award from the American Corn Growers Association.
Now, in a PBS special premiering Wednesday at 8 p.m. on WNET/13, Pollan is casting a suspicious eye on four plants I used to believe were innocent bystanders: the apple, the tulip, marijuana and the potato. After watching a screener of "The Botany of Desire: A Plant's-Eye View of the World," based on Pollan's 2001 book of the same name, I've been enlightened: Those plants are nothing but manipulators that have coyly lured us mere humans to do their evolutionary bidding.
Sure, we pick out a seed, plant it in the ground, water and nurture it. But Pollan asks us to consider that we don't control plants at all. Instead, he contends, they control us, tempting us with elusive sweetness, beauty, intoxication and dominance in exchange for propagation of their species. "We don't give nearly enough credit to plants," says Pollan. "They've been working on us - they've been using us - for their own purposes." It's a sly ruse, indeed.
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Shot in beautiful high-definition videography, " 'The Botany of Desire' is a perfect story for television," says producer and director Michael Schwarz, a native of Woodmere. "It takes a world we thought we knew and allows us to see it in an entirely new way."
The special is two hours of pure joy that contains all the requisites of must-see TV - it's intriguing and fascinating, engaging, entertaining and educational. It's brilliant. I just wish I'd thought of it first.
For a behind-the-scenes look at the making of “The Botany of Desire,” lesson plans for educators, bonus videos, interviews and more, visit pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire.
i just read a review on botany of desire and someone has done a film cataloging their that plants manipulate us to do their bidding
ty to the OP of this reference ive seen it here before
either im not crazy but genius in my observation
or im crazy and this dude is too
very interesting
http://www.newsday.com/columnists/j...chael-pollan-s-the-botany-of-desire-1.1543810
As gardeners, we're familiar with the notion of companion planting, the practice of deliberately grouping certain plants so they can take advantage of each other's chemical- and disease-fighting properties. Lots of plants thrive from this mutually beneficial, symbiotic relationship. What's never occurred to me, though, is whether plants have such a relationship with humans.
>>Watch the trailer: Michael Pollan's "The Botany of Desire"'
Leave it to Long Island son Michael Pollan, renegade cowboy of common sense. What I love most about the Hempstead native is that he's not a narrow-minded zealot, as many authors seem to be these days. In his 2006 bestseller, "The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals," he gave us an inside look at the industrial food chain and showed us its effect on the environment.
While I personally know of at least one person who converted to vegetarianism after reading the book, Pollan himself admits submitting to the occasional hamburger. Still, his mantra has been, "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."
He followed up with 2008's "In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto," presumably to reassure readers it's OK to eat, as long as what you're eating is really food. As it turned out, the term "food" required clarification.
A contributing writer to The New York Times Magazine since 1995, Pollan, who moved from Hempstead to Farmingdale at age 5 and then to Woodbury later in his childhood, lives in the San Francisco Bay Area. He was recently honored with the President's Award from the American Institute of Biological Sciences and the Truth in Agricultural Journalism Award from the American Corn Growers Association.
Now, in a PBS special premiering Wednesday at 8 p.m. on WNET/13, Pollan is casting a suspicious eye on four plants I used to believe were innocent bystanders: the apple, the tulip, marijuana and the potato. After watching a screener of "The Botany of Desire: A Plant's-Eye View of the World," based on Pollan's 2001 book of the same name, I've been enlightened: Those plants are nothing but manipulators that have coyly lured us mere humans to do their evolutionary bidding.
Sure, we pick out a seed, plant it in the ground, water and nurture it. But Pollan asks us to consider that we don't control plants at all. Instead, he contends, they control us, tempting us with elusive sweetness, beauty, intoxication and dominance in exchange for propagation of their species. "We don't give nearly enough credit to plants," says Pollan. "They've been working on us - they've been using us - for their own purposes." It's a sly ruse, indeed.
connections
Shot in beautiful high-definition videography, " 'The Botany of Desire' is a perfect story for television," says producer and director Michael Schwarz, a native of Woodmere. "It takes a world we thought we knew and allows us to see it in an entirely new way."
The special is two hours of pure joy that contains all the requisites of must-see TV - it's intriguing and fascinating, engaging, entertaining and educational. It's brilliant. I just wish I'd thought of it first.
For a behind-the-scenes look at the making of “The Botany of Desire,” lesson plans for educators, bonus videos, interviews and more, visit pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire.
JWP
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Indeed everything does.
Have a look at these vids and you will see simply how freequency is passed from humans to other things. vid1 vid2. Intension is everything
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ureapwhatusow
what the bleep do we know was downright fantastic
botany of desire is along the same lines
botany of desire is along the same lines
I would say there is nothing magical or mysterious. Yes in the general sense there is a "synergy" in that we exhale CO2 and plants need that, we need oxygen and plants "exhale" oxygen. On the grand scale they also provide shade, influence weather, provide food, clothing, medicine, etc. In exchange, because these things are important to us we give plants optimal growing conditions, provide them with food and water, protect them from pests and disease, etc. I think we tend to feel like there is more of a connection because the act of growing your own is empowering and the time spent tending a crop can be very therapeutic. Also if you take a particular strain and keep growing out successive generations by making and continually growing from seed the plant will adapt itself for optimal growth in the specific environment you give it (assuming you keep the same environment for each generation).
Actually Synergy is not the right term I think, synergy is defined as "the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects."
I think the better term is symbiotic which is defined as "The close association between two or more organisms of different species, often but not necessarily benefiting each member. "
I think it is also interesting to note that we have built into our brains a system design to interact specifically with cannabinoids called the Endocannabinoid system. So clearly any plant containing cannabinoids is meant for use by humans in one way or another, just as our bodies are designed to make use of fruits and vegetables for nutrition.
Actually Synergy is not the right term I think, synergy is defined as "the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects."
I think the better term is symbiotic which is defined as "The close association between two or more organisms of different species, often but not necessarily benefiting each member. "
I think it is also interesting to note that we have built into our brains a system design to interact specifically with cannabinoids called the Endocannabinoid system. So clearly any plant containing cannabinoids is meant for use by humans in one way or another, just as our bodies are designed to make use of fruits and vegetables for nutrition.
So science understands all the subtle allelopathic relationships that exist in nature?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allelopathy
when we get high on pot, it seems to me we are enjoying an allelopathic synergy between plant and man.
That is one level of interaction, because not all substances in marijuana are psychotropic. The benefits of CBDs could be another.
Is mental health among certain populations a new genetic expression or one that is revealed when these synergies go unrealized?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allelopathy
when we get high on pot, it seems to me we are enjoying an allelopathic synergy between plant and man.
That is one level of interaction, because not all substances in marijuana are psychotropic. The benefits of CBDs could be another.
Is mental health among certain populations a new genetic expression or one that is revealed when these synergies go unrealized?
