guambomb813
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dude king your the man. right in time for the build i come across this diy!!! thanks again for the time and everybody's advice on the netpots is great to know
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i saw a video about this and they claim the fogger disks break quicky or don't last long
and the water squirting out the top is burning hot.
Have you found this also?
You seem to do ok with the fog.
LeoRexTyrannus
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For it to be truly aeroponic the droplets have to have a certain size, any idea how that works out in relation to the gph rating of your pump?
Ideally I'd like to craft a unit around this principle. I've already got a 163 GPH Pump from a Rain Forest 36 (great cloner... but not enough sites and not truly aeroponic, and isn't worth the money vs one of these unless you need to move it, and then you'll appreciate the tough ABS plastic that doesn't wrap)
Also does anyone know of 2" multi slotted neoprene inserts? If they exist they may just be the solution I need without reinventing the wheel.
Ideally I'd like to craft a unit around this principle. I've already got a 163 GPH Pump from a Rain Forest 36 (great cloner... but not enough sites and not truly aeroponic, and isn't worth the money vs one of these unless you need to move it, and then you'll appreciate the tough ABS plastic that doesn't wrap)
Also does anyone know of 2" multi slotted neoprene inserts? If they exist they may just be the solution I need without reinventing the wheel.
Saint, at one time you mentioned running 1 minute on / 1 minute off.
Could you suggest where I might find a cycle timer like that?
I believe you run 4 heads altogether --- how many gallons of water is that in and how close do you have the water level to the plants?
Thanks -------- CB
I noticed they make floating buoys for the fogggers so they stay just
under the surface of the water and they'll float up & down with the reservior
I read the fog gets only 5" deep or so.
under the surface of the water and they'll float up & down with the reservior
I read the fog gets only 5" deep or so.
Don't want to hijack the thread and make it aero/fog but here's a good place for the misters:
http://www.mainlandmart.com/fogger1.html
CB
LeoRexTyrannus
Member
I guess no one has any answers for me, that's cool. Hey Saint I like your set up but you should definitely use a non transparent medium, light + roots = root rot, water + light = algae, might not have happened yet, but its going to.
Ok so I'm on mainland mart because apparently these items are rare.... I googled ultrasonic fogger and they're the first hit, maybe you can find some on ebay but I couldn't find a single other web store with these... that's crazy huh..
So anyway I was looking at the M001 and the MQ01, the M001 is the first one on the page the MQ01 is the third one, the first one is 1.75" tall, the other is 1.50" and is for shallow water, the M001 has a floater and the MQ01 doesn't as far as I can tell.
Any advice?
I'm totally going to DIY one of these as a cloner.
Oh for the interested go look up the FogBox on Youtube, not my design, not my product but still cool none the less and I think its a fine DIY design.
Looking forward to feedback
Ok so I'm on mainland mart because apparently these items are rare.... I googled ultrasonic fogger and they're the first hit, maybe you can find some on ebay but I couldn't find a single other web store with these... that's crazy huh..
So anyway I was looking at the M001 and the MQ01, the M001 is the first one on the page the MQ01 is the third one, the first one is 1.75" tall, the other is 1.50" and is for shallow water, the M001 has a floater and the MQ01 doesn't as far as I can tell.
Any advice?
I'm totally going to DIY one of these as a cloner.
Oh for the interested go look up the FogBox on Youtube, not my design, not my product but still cool none the less and I think its a fine DIY design.
Looking forward to feedback
Rex check out post 603 on the previous page. they use the fogger.
Saint Cannabis
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cheap discs
cheap discs
Yea, the cheap discs quit working after a couple of moths but they seem fairly easy and inexpensive to replace. This is expected based on claims of the manufacturer. I have three of the cheap ones that have quit working but i plan on getting some teflon coated ones to replace them with which should last longer. I have a single head unit from futuregarden dot com that has a teflon coated disc and has been running fine since i started around Halloween '08. Of course i use plain filtered water.
You may burn your finger if you touch the disc while it's running and it does make the water warmer than room temp but i haven't noticed the spurting water being too hot. The water spurt actually helps keep the cuttings from going limp. I keep the different heads spread evenly in the res for this reason.
Sorry i didn't responde earlier but the site was down last time i tried and am just now getting back to it.
cheap discs
Yea, the cheap discs quit working after a couple of moths but they seem fairly easy and inexpensive to replace. This is expected based on claims of the manufacturer. I have three of the cheap ones that have quit working but i plan on getting some teflon coated ones to replace them with which should last longer. I have a single head unit from futuregarden dot com that has a teflon coated disc and has been running fine since i started around Halloween '08. Of course i use plain filtered water.
You may burn your finger if you touch the disc while it's running and it does make the water warmer than room temp but i haven't noticed the spurting water being too hot. The water spurt actually helps keep the cuttings from going limp. I keep the different heads spread evenly in the res for this reason.
Sorry i didn't responde earlier but the site was down last time i tried and am just now getting back to it.
Saint Cannabis
Member
The commercial cycle timers are not cheap. I think i paid like $60 for mine. Just google "cycle timers" and you will see what i mean. I probably should have tried one of the cheap timers from wal-mart first but i wanted one of these anyway. It's kinda hard to tell but i think i have it set to 1.5 mins on/4 mins off. You should be able to get away with 15/15 on/off. Much more off time than that is too long and i wanted to save more electricity (not that these things use that much anyway). Right now i am down to two heads but usually i run just three. The container is not that big and i think maybe around a gallon of water? The clones are maybe 4-5" from the water surface. I want to try to make my own float for them but may buy some more foggers and some floats for other experiments.
Saint Cannabis
Member
I don't see it (root rot) happening. I've had this thing going since halloween and nothing but bright white roots and i've only had a couple of cuttings fail from rough handling breaking roots or letting the water level get too low. Even then they usually bounce back upon restoring water level. That never happened with my bubble-cloner. As i've said before i have had quite a bit of algae growth but that doesn't hurt anything in a water-only medium(or coco-coir that i've noticed). It just robs nutrients and since there are no nutrients in the fogloner, no harm done.
Yeah, mainlandmart is the only real online source i've found other than the limited selection @ futuregarden dot com. If you are ordering online get the floaters. I wish had some. It will give you more time between having to top off the water level. Beware as that could also make it easier to forget to check the water level.
The Fogbox is a good implementation. I don't see the need for the water pumped part of the aero. If you have enough fog heads you shouldn't need it. Seems overly complicated. I currently only use the fog for cloning and using DrBudGreengenes' CFL box method for my flowering chamber using only coco-coir and perlite in 20oz gatoraid/vitimin water bottles. This method requires alot more maintainance (checking everyday to see which plants need nute water) than i like but it works wonderfully and is still very simple. I go strait from clone to flowering, no veg. That keeps the operation much more efficient and smaller. Once i find the time to convert my pc cases for each my clone chamber and bonsai mum chamber, i'll remake my flower box and consider putting together a fog system for the flowers. I'm also going to incorporate more LEDs (my own diy designs). I'll probably us a combination of fluorescent(warm white)/LEDs(reds&blues) for the flower chamber to reduce the heat and electricity load from the all fluorescent setup i''m currently using. So many ideas... so little time.
Scenario420
New member
So which is more "user friendly" and economical to build, the aero cloner replica or the foggcloner?
The dual outlet air pump is $10 at wallyworld 2 airstones $6 plus tubing.
One fogger is $25 plus shipping, The fogger is more & if you use 2 the fogger will be way more money.
C
cracker420
nice!! very detailed! i will have to build one of these
Saint Cannabis
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I paid $25 dollars for my first teflon-coated, single-head fogger from futuregarden. Then, before it even arrived, i picked up 2 single-head foggers (not teflon coated) just before halloween for about $13 each at a local grocery store. Then about a week later i picked up 2 more of the same single-head foggers for less than $11. I just ordered some teflon coated replacement discs for the cheaper halloween foggers. I spent this much money because i wanted plenty of foggers to experiment with. If you are just making a small cloner then you can make do with just one or two of these. Also remember that the ultrasonic discs are completely silent inside the cloner, which not even the "whisper" air-pumps can boast (i have one of those too). Also remember that the ultrasonic transducers producing a much smaller droplet size and i have had cuttings with a dried stem recover and root in the fog and they sterilize the res water too. I first made a bubble cloner (very cheap as i already had the airpump and airstones/tubing from another failed experiment with shrooms) but would not go back.
Saint Cannabis
Member
Sorry i just realized you said aero-cloner, but the other response (onegreenday) is refering to a bubble cloner. The aero-cloner requires a WATER-pump which uses more electricity than the foggers. It also requires much more work in cutting/installing tubing or pvc piping along with the little mister heads, etc. With the fogger you just pick your container cut the holes in the top and plop the transducer in just below the water surface. I think the aero cloner is more expensive (i saw no reason to make one of those) and, someone correct me if i'm wrong, has more problems with over heating the water because a submersible pump is usually used. And the noise can be a big factor for some people as well...
BTW, the bubble cloner is not really an aero cloner since the stems are submerged in the water.
Scenario420
New member
Ok cool, I understand and thanks for the input...I'm learning as I go and it seems like my toughest hurdle yet has been clones/cuts taking root. I thought I had it down with the whole rockwool and bubbler device but that left me with 2 rooted cuts out of like 25 so i guess thats what lead me here. I'm pretty sure that the h2O temp is my problem, I'm getting mold and soft mushy stems which kill my poor lil babies FAST...
I guess it's not hijacking if we r discussing alternatives to the aeroclone thread (hope it's ok)
I don't submerge the cut in the water in the bubble cloner. I leave a 2" space, they just get wet from the bubbles. Clones fine in 7 -10 days.
The foggers are worth a go to see if they work out; io like the idea and the Nutrimist uses some ultrasonic foggers in their gear.
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=NAF200
I just built my aero cloner. I got the Danner 375 GPH pump for $35.00 in a 22 gallon roughneck. I used 12 of the green sprayers. I only made 25 sites for the time being(25 pucks per sheet). I'll make more as the need arises. I put 8 c99 cuts, 6 white widow cuts and 3 ruderalis cuts in it. 
I have 1 question though. What is the best temp for the water to be? After reading all the posts here it seems to vary from as low as 60 to as high as 80. I have an aquarium heater set at 78 right now but I can lower it if I need to. I am using Clonex at 5 mil. a gallon with R.O. water ph'd to 5.5. If everything works out I'll go with just straight water but for now, since I have such an abysmally low success rate, I'll take all the help I can get. Thanks for the great info so far!
I have 1 question though. What is the best temp for the water to be? After reading all the posts here it seems to vary from as low as 60 to as high as 80. I have an aquarium heater set at 78 right now but I can lower it if I need to. I am using Clonex at 5 mil. a gallon with R.O. water ph'd to 5.5. If everything works out I'll go with just straight water but for now, since I have such an abysmally low success rate, I'll take all the help I can get. Thanks for the great info so far!dazednconfused
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great thread!!
Wondering if 1.5"-2" rockwool cubes can placed on the stem before roots have shown while being misted/sprayed? Seems like it might be tricky placing the cubes over the fresh roots, may damage them and be a pain.
Would be easy to transition from a cube to soil compared to without...
Wondering if 1.5"-2" rockwool cubes can placed on the stem before roots have shown while being misted/sprayed? Seems like it might be tricky placing the cubes over the fresh roots, may damage them and be a pain.
Would be easy to transition from a cube to soil compared to without...
