Disturbing Prophecy from "Breeder Steve"

[giantmanbags]

Steve has bred some good strains but "SweetTooth" has had it's share of negatives....doesn't anyone here remember the great plan Steve had that would make him a major player in the seed auction biz??....I can't remember the details(I'll try to dig it up) but it failed miserably....plus the competition is so intense that he's probably barely breaking even or maybe even losing money to maintain his breeding program....I still respect the man immensely and hope he can see a bright future.

 

[Guest]

Steve's talking = I'm taking it with several planet sized grains of salt.

 

[Chamba]

he's known to go a bit overboard in his statements and actions.

now, that's an understatement

 

[mr noodles]

amsterdam is about to get fucked up by the eu anti smoker legislation in public place .

smoking will be ban in pub and coffee shop all over eu...

its going to hurt if we cant smoke at an amsterdam shop

 

[Chamba]

anti-tobacco smoking legislation will make it alot more difficult for us ganja smokers

...but then again...there's always vaporizing or eating

 

[ndnguy]

I believe its going to be more and more like Shipp and Mod's new company, go right out and say it...No seeds to the US. Getting to risky they claim and some banks might start to agree.

 

[Guest]

I believe its going to be more and more like Shipp and Mod's new company, go right out and say it...No seeds to the US. Getting to risky they claim and some banks might start to agree

Neither the law or the risk has changed.

A bit confusing to read they will happily send to Canada though?!?

Very strange, as seeds are just as illegal there and the two largest seed dealers from there busted recently. Don't think there is any legal precedent in any of this that would have changed things. Please point it out if it is so for the benefit of the whole community.

You want seeds, they will always be there. Gypsy is English, so is his business, there is no risk to him, wherever he send them. Shipp is not English, obviously, it is a different thing entirely.

Peace, hhf

 

[Verite]

And I got a franklin that says if Emery isnt indicted everyone will drop their 'No US sales' edict. Not going to do them much good. I dont know why everyone wants to keep the dirty little secret that the US is the biggest customer to any seedbank. Even the ones that wont mail to here.

Anywho as long as steve is tossing prophecy around heres mine.. we got less than two years of crap admin at the wheel and as hard as theyve tried they havent been able to repeal any med MJ laws already enacted and just a few of the ones up to vote. I predict when the admin changes and the new wave of thinkers take office med MJ and decrim take some leaps and bounds. As history repeats itself and prohibition begins to lift the MJ price will plummet. As the business works its way to legit as people start to patent strains and gene lines, eventually leading to the first court case of someone selling F2 knockoffs, then expect a shift in what people are willing to think what seeds are worth. $100 a seed? $1000 a seed? Time will tell.

Another possible future where either way steve is kinda right, get em while theyre here or worse while affordable.

 

[Herbalistic]

Maybe it is now too hot in the US, but quality seeds are still staying in the game. Maybe it would get difficulter but that would mean that all these European countries will have to take the same policy as in US, now that is something I think would never happen and if it does it doesnt happen in a day or two, so people would definitely have time to react. And if that day comes someday in Europe there would still be countries where breeders could work in large scale!!!

If there is genes that have been in the game since 60´s & 70´s and dedicated breeders & growers who understand the principles of preservation & sharing(and there are), then we gonna enjoy finest cannabis also in the future!

On the other hand, it isn´t never bad idea to preserve nice genetics, or is it?

Keep It Green & Growing But Don´t Forget The Smokin!
Peace Out Growers!!!

 

[REZDOG]

breeder steve's initials are B.S.
There's a very good reason for that. :wink:

 

[Guest]

blockhead's sweet?

 

[Pops]

Hopefully, Barney Frank's bill to allow states to regulate medical marijuana issues without interference from federal authorities will get a hearing soon. Nancy Pelosi has already come out and said that she will support it( being from S.F., she damn well better.). If this bill is passed, it may be possible for all med clubs to start carrying seeds, as the state would far rather have patients growing a few plants of their own that have large scale growers, whom they consider drug dealers.

That,in turn, would allow small seed breeders like Grat3fulh3ad to sell his seeds to clubs rather than risking them through the mail. Could open up opportunities for other small breeders as well.

As far as tissue culture or micropropagation techniques go, the strawberry industry has been doing this for over 20 years. Ahren's strawberries in Indiana shipped 100's of thousands of strawberry plants using this very technique. I have no idea if it is possible to do using mj, but it does take expensive equiptment to accomplish and the average grower wouldn't know shit about how to do it.

 

[southwind]

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breeder steve's initials are B.S.
There's a very good reason for that. :wink:

Why do you say that?

His genetics have always seemed solid and he has not been unreasonable, paranoid or over-reactive in general communications.

Is there something we should know?

Other than the odd statement about the seed business being over?

Which I agree is ,well,...odd.

Who do you think is a solid Breeder and not too wacky?


Lets not even talk about Barney as a breeder thanks.

 

[Pops]

Well, Rez is a good breeder,but I'm not too sure about the wacky part.

 

[muddy waters]

verite, i doubt your scenario 1) because i don't think a democratic president is going to make any progress with federal decriminalization, but who knows? and 2) because while say a hybrid seed can be patented, the parent lines would also need patenting and a prospective patent-holder would have a tough time claiming that he invented an heirloom or landrace variety of cannabis used as a parent to the patented hybrid. the hybrid patent holder could declare the parentage a trade secret, but this is only valid so long as it remains an actual secret. if you patented your 'orange diesel', there wouldn't be much secret as to its parentage, and anyone could come along and produce their own 'tangerine gasoline' without violating your patent, and i don't believe you could do anything about it, unless you'd also patented sour diesel and cali o (or whatever). i am not a lawyer or expert in patent law but i've been reading about this lately. please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[muddy waters]

i should add that my understanding is that patented seed is fairly uncommon, with the exception of genetically modified shit from monsanto et al.

 

[Guest]

verite, i doubt your scenario 1) because i don't think a democratic president is going to make any progress with federal decriminalization, but who knows? and 2) because while say a hybrid seed can be patented, the parent lines would also need patenting and a prospective patent-holder would have a tough time claiming that he invented an heirloom or landrace variety of cannabis used as a parent to the patented hybrid. the hybrid patent holder could declare the parentage a trade secret, but this is only valid so long as it remains an actual secret. if you patented your 'orange diesel', there wouldn't be much secret as to its parentage, and anyone could come along and produce their own 'tangerine gasoline' without violating your patent, and i don't believe you could do anything about it, unless you'd also patented sour diesel and cali o (or whatever). i am not a lawyer or expert in patent law but i've been reading about this lately. please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Hi Muddy,

I think you maybe thinking more of Trademark rather than patent. As a Plant genetics patent would apply to its genetics which can obviously be tested through its DNA. So you would be able to see exactly what is contained in any subsequent plant line that used the genetics, or if it infringed the Patent, regardless of names. Names are protected by trademarks.

There are also patents on Cannabis, Skunk1 for instance.

Peace, hhf

 

[Verite]

i should add that my understanding is that patented seed is fairly uncommon, with the exception of genetically modified shit from monsanto et al.

The seeds are covered under the same patent that would cover the plant. Same as the fruit. You dont need to patent the seperate parts of the plant, just the DNA that marks it.

Marijuana isnt anything unique as far as laws already on the books covering plants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_Patent_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_Variety_Protection_Act

 

[Pops]

I read somewhere that the company in England that puts out sativex has over a hundred mj-related plant patents.

 

[muddy waters]

i had no idea that patenting of plant genetics was so common. monsanto and its subsidiaries do hold many thousands of patents but it's not even all GM stuff and there are others, too. and not restricted to seed obviously.

HHF, i was thinking patent and not trademark, though you're right name has nothing to do with a patent of genetic material. but i believe my original point is still valid, that if one could bring forth genetic proof that the heirloom parents of a patented hybrid existed prior to the patent, anyone would be able to create the same cross without infringing on the patent. like i said though i'm no patent lawyer. sorry for the confusion.

verite, you're right. good info, thank you.