man that soil mix that you made a few yrs back was great .Philthy sent me a bag and i love the just add water ,makes it so much easier
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This is the mix being used in this thread. I go into fairly good detail about how an why in the first 15 or so pages, if you haven't read it.
At this point, I'm pleased with the results. Whole setup performs much better than expected.
I know it says a mix for beds, but I'm vegging in bags and it isn't harming anything. That's just the way it's listed because of how I'm primarily using the soil mix in this thread.
I updated the Stank Bros soil sticky about a month ago with this post:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8532670&postcount=10
dank.Frank
At this point, I'm pleased with the results. Whole setup performs much better than expected.
I know it says a mix for beds, but I'm vegging in bags and it isn't harming anything. That's just the way it's listed because of how I'm primarily using the soil mix in this thread.
I updated the Stank Bros soil sticky about a month ago with this post:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8532670&postcount=10
dank.Frank
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Cobalt Haze #2 @66 days
The 60 day sample of her was nice. She does have that GSC doughy flavor that is very forward, but part of what has always made GSC so great is the OG Kush back end note that Cali has always loved.
If you take that OG Kush back end away and replace it with a metallic / vicks menthol sort of note, you'd have a pretty fair idea of what this plant smells like. She's resin coated as well. Huge bats for flowers. She seems to take color from the bottom to the top as her calyxes mature.
I think she will end up being the keeper of these two plants. They are both very different for being siblings, but, this line is designed to produce one off plants that have elite potential, not mirror copies.
dank.Frank
The 60 day sample of her was nice. She does have that GSC doughy flavor that is very forward, but part of what has always made GSC so great is the OG Kush back end note that Cali has always loved.
If you take that OG Kush back end away and replace it with a metallic / vicks menthol sort of note, you'd have a pretty fair idea of what this plant smells like. She's resin coated as well. Huge bats for flowers. She seems to take color from the bottom to the top as her calyxes mature.
I think she will end up being the keeper of these two plants. They are both very different for being siblings, but, this line is designed to produce one off plants that have elite potential, not mirror copies.
dank.Frank
very nice .ive not grown out any haze i dont think . she looks sticky
Hey F.A.M. - I mean, it is called "haze" because of the SSH mother. That in and of itself is a haze hybrid to start. Not trying to find any fault, but these plants are certainly more representative of hybrids than that of a true "haze" as it historically known.
People often talk of a metallic/acid haze phenotype being searched for in haze lines, and I'd be willing to say this plant is at least partially representative of such a taste.
The male - is {OGKB Cookies x [Mendo Purps x (Trainwreck x White Widow)]} x (Blue Dream x Williams Wonder)
or
SSH x (MendoBreath UV x Wet Dream F3) - for short. That's why I say these plants are 1 off type expressions no matter how many seeds you sprout.
It should also be mentioned, Whadeezlrg has said in this thread his SSH mom leans more towards the NL in that equation.
So all in all "haze" is in the name because of genetic relevance, but these are without question, hybrid plants, with differing expressions going every which direction. Not necessarily a bad thing. The two females I'm looking at certainly appear to be superior cannabis. Top tier potential for sure.
I've grown Blue Dream and have smoked Williams Wonder. I've grown TW and smoked some great white widow. Grown white widow variants. Grown other cookies and know the flavor profile even if not the OGKB, I've read enough about her growth traits to discern her in the mix. I've grown SSH crosses before, just usually to chem genetics.
It's all some what familiar territory in the broad sense so I didn't feel entirely lost while growing the Cobalt Haze, but that also goes to say I wasn't exactly expecting a traditional "haze" from the line either.
I tried to germinate some of Karma's A5 Haze x White OG Ix - but they didn't come up. I'd have expect more 12-16wk, more true haze type plants, from that line. We'll double back to it eventually.
dank.Frank
People often talk of a metallic/acid haze phenotype being searched for in haze lines, and I'd be willing to say this plant is at least partially representative of such a taste.
The male - is {OGKB Cookies x [Mendo Purps x (Trainwreck x White Widow)]} x (Blue Dream x Williams Wonder)
or
SSH x (MendoBreath UV x Wet Dream F3) - for short. That's why I say these plants are 1 off type expressions no matter how many seeds you sprout.
It should also be mentioned, Whadeezlrg has said in this thread his SSH mom leans more towards the NL in that equation.
So all in all "haze" is in the name because of genetic relevance, but these are without question, hybrid plants, with differing expressions going every which direction. Not necessarily a bad thing. The two females I'm looking at certainly appear to be superior cannabis. Top tier potential for sure.
I've grown Blue Dream and have smoked Williams Wonder. I've grown TW and smoked some great white widow. Grown white widow variants. Grown other cookies and know the flavor profile even if not the OGKB, I've read enough about her growth traits to discern her in the mix. I've grown SSH crosses before, just usually to chem genetics.
It's all some what familiar territory in the broad sense so I didn't feel entirely lost while growing the Cobalt Haze, but that also goes to say I wasn't exactly expecting a traditional "haze" from the line either.
I tried to germinate some of Karma's A5 Haze x White OG Ix - but they didn't come up. I'd have expect more 12-16wk, more true haze type plants, from that line. We'll double back to it eventually.
dank.Frank
Hey Seismic. Glad to see you posting again. 
If she holds this metallic / vicks smells to her, she just might be special. You can see she WANTS to make bats. Nugs straight up the stem the whole way. She has some potential.
Here is the Cobalt #2 @ 70 days. She'll go another week. The Suzy Q Bx2 will come down tonight.
While not the most clear photo, you can at least see her color here. She really is something else to look at. High temps really make her spear out more and her calyxes swell and spread out more. I have 4 plants of her going in next round. She'll get half the room and a light to herself. I want to see what she can really do when kept out of the lamps and trained properly.
dank.Frank
If she holds this metallic / vicks smells to her, she just might be special. You can see she WANTS to make bats. Nugs straight up the stem the whole way. She has some potential.
Here is the Cobalt #2 @ 70 days. She'll go another week. The Suzy Q Bx2 will come down tonight.
While not the most clear photo, you can at least see her color here. She really is something else to look at. High temps really make her spear out more and her calyxes swell and spread out more. I have 4 plants of her going in next round. She'll get half the room and a light to herself. I want to see what she can really do when kept out of the lamps and trained properly.
dank.Frank
I have 3 of Karmas A5 HAZE bx1 in veg. There very picky. Ive struggled with them since day 1. 1 of them prob wont recover. The other 2 are much better off. All are female. I'm not sure if there fem seeds?.
If it's the Bx1 I doubt it. He probably used a A5 Haze x White OG male for the Bx1, I'd imagine. I'd assume that is a female x male line. I hope those pull through for you. Could be some epic fire in those.
When I had to stop growing, GG#4 was still just blowing up. 5 years a lot has changed, but I want to pick up where I left off for the most part.
The Snow Monkey seeds WILL get sprouted next. That GROM x Digi Bx1 male is a TRUE stud and I know GG#4 is fire regardless of how played out it may be in the general market.
When I start those, I want start a few fems from Nspecta. I want some serious meds and I have a few Bomb Threat x Bubba I'll try to start. I'd love for one of those to come up. Bomb Threat is a tightly held, specially selected Bubba S1 that has a lime terp to it more or less. So Bubba S1 x Bubba = Bubba S2, which is why I hold a particular interest in those seeds. If these don't sprout, I'll be severely disappointed.
dank.Frank
When I had to stop growing, GG#4 was still just blowing up. 5 years a lot has changed, but I want to pick up where I left off for the most part.
The Snow Monkey seeds WILL get sprouted next. That GROM x Digi Bx1 male is a TRUE stud and I know GG#4 is fire regardless of how played out it may be in the general market.
When I start those, I want start a few fems from Nspecta. I want some serious meds and I have a few Bomb Threat x Bubba I'll try to start. I'd love for one of those to come up. Bomb Threat is a tightly held, specially selected Bubba S1 that has a lime terp to it more or less. So Bubba S1 x Bubba = Bubba S2, which is why I hold a particular interest in those seeds. If these don't sprout, I'll be severely disappointed.
dank.Frank
Sorry ya not fem seeds. its the 1st 3 I've tried. Karma sent me 15 seeds about 3 years ago?. I cant be exact on the date. It was a very long time ago. The label says A5 HAZE BX1-
A5 HAZE X (White A5 haze). I thought Id give them a try and see what they do. Im def struggling keeping them happy. They don't seem to like what I'm feeding everything else. Nice structure but wispy. No branch strength
A5 HAZE X (White A5 haze). I thought Id give them a try and see what they do. Im def struggling keeping them happy. They don't seem to like what I'm feeding everything else. Nice structure but wispy. No branch strength
134g - 4.75 from Cobalt #1. It would seem with 6-8 plants, 1.5 is certainly possible under 2 x 315w CMH. Interesting for sure. That is the goal eventually.
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Nice work Frank.
Thanks Dots. I appreciate the good vibes.
I'll be honest though. After the first smoke sample of a dried, mature flower - the trichs are probably 20% clear, 75% milky, 5% amber...with some that are still changing as the flowers truly dry and cure - I don't think this Cobalt #1 will be a long term keeper.
There is no blueberry in her mature flowers. She's very much like an old NL#5 x Haze that leans to the fruity NL side. She has a fruity NL that is very forward but a slight hint of gas station incense, that I expect will come out a bit more in the cure. It's also worth mentioning there are slight cat piss/pine hints to it when breaking it up as well, but that only last for a split second in mid whiff and then it's gone.
She lacks a bit of complexity and a bit of potency in her high. In part my fault. There are still 3 of her in the next round of flower and there exist a chance to get her dialed in better. The forth was bumped for the Sis x TPK to have a spot.
dank.Frank
I'll be honest though. After the first smoke sample of a dried, mature flower - the trichs are probably 20% clear, 75% milky, 5% amber...with some that are still changing as the flowers truly dry and cure - I don't think this Cobalt #1 will be a long term keeper.
There is no blueberry in her mature flowers. She's very much like an old NL#5 x Haze that leans to the fruity NL side. She has a fruity NL that is very forward but a slight hint of gas station incense, that I expect will come out a bit more in the cure. It's also worth mentioning there are slight cat piss/pine hints to it when breaking it up as well, but that only last for a split second in mid whiff and then it's gone.
She lacks a bit of complexity and a bit of potency in her high. In part my fault. There are still 3 of her in the next round of flower and there exist a chance to get her dialed in better. The forth was bumped for the Sis x TPK to have a spot.
dank.Frank
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Very nice #’s... that’s just rediculous that it’s even possible to achieve those sorts of #’s with only 630 watts.........
all that soil space helps a lot though ..........
It's just right about 1 gram per watt though, so it's really NOT that ridiculous or uncommon. It'll be about canopy management going forward. Round 2 will be interesting. I've got some construction to finish up. Need to finish insulating the veg room, etc. I ran short on funds and got the room ALMOST done, but not entirely. Need to polish it off.
I should mention though, I've never been one to pursue GPW as I've always run too many strains to make it relevant. I'd like to see what I can achieve though. I think I used to run around .55 -.6 though depending. Nothing impressive by any means, if numbers are the standard of judgement.
Eventually, I'll find a cut I want to mono-crop. I'll run it a couple times to get a consistent performance and then I'll try Mammoth P microbes. My understanding of soil science makes me think that is a legit product, but I need a baseline to say whether or not it really makes any difference.
dank.Frank
I should mention though, I've never been one to pursue GPW as I've always run too many strains to make it relevant. I'd like to see what I can achieve though. I think I used to run around .55 -.6 though depending. Nothing impressive by any means, if numbers are the standard of judgement.
Eventually, I'll find a cut I want to mono-crop. I'll run it a couple times to get a consistent performance and then I'll try Mammoth P microbes. My understanding of soil science makes me think that is a legit product, but I need a baseline to say whether or not it really makes any difference.
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how hard is it to find all the stuff listed for your soil mix DF ,was it at a local gardening store like Hewitts or agway.i would love to give a go again
Shit, I don’t even weigh none of my shit so who even knows ... I’m always running a bunch of different strains too so that never helps either...
Someday I should try running just one clone and see what happens .....
@Chucky - I get everything from one place now, F.A.M. They used to be an advertiser on IC for a very short period of time, which is how I found them. Clicked their banner. I've been using them ever since. There are a couple items they don't carry though.
The NSPB mix you used - began in conception around 2006. First discussed publicly 2009. Point being, it worked great, but I'd suggest you try the D.A.N.K. mix - ie the one being used in this thread. Think of it as the publicly released NSPB, of sorts.
If you search my posts, I always said, if the product never took of, I'd eventually release the recipe. The thread does that to some degree. While I didn't exactly reveal the formula, I did show how to arrive at NPK values for amendment mixes and did reveal how many lbs/acre of NPK the NSPB formula was, when added to the intended 1.5 cu ft of soil.
Comparing that information with information from modern scientific research, of which there is TONS more of in the last decade - I came up with the mix I am using now. It is fair to say this new mix is...superior.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8447461&postcount=111
If I'm not mistaken, though, it was the new mix you were talking about sourcing for.
@nickman - I like numbers. They are quantifiers. My only purpose for a scale is data. Weight of flower input weight of input vs weight of rosin extracted, to get a percentage, is going to become one of my parameters for a keeper eventually.
dank.Frank
The NSPB mix you used - began in conception around 2006. First discussed publicly 2009. Point being, it worked great, but I'd suggest you try the D.A.N.K. mix - ie the one being used in this thread. Think of it as the publicly released NSPB, of sorts.
If you search my posts, I always said, if the product never took of, I'd eventually release the recipe. The thread does that to some degree. While I didn't exactly reveal the formula, I did show how to arrive at NPK values for amendment mixes and did reveal how many lbs/acre of NPK the NSPB formula was, when added to the intended 1.5 cu ft of soil.
Comparing that information with information from modern scientific research, of which there is TONS more of in the last decade - I came up with the mix I am using now. It is fair to say this new mix is...superior.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8447461&postcount=111
If I'm not mistaken, though, it was the new mix you were talking about sourcing for.
@nickman - I like numbers. They are quantifiers. My only purpose for a scale is data. Weight of flower input weight of input vs weight of rosin extracted, to get a percentage, is going to become one of my parameters for a keeper eventually.
dank.Frank
