Differences of Indica and Sativa - A RealTime Photo Essay

[resinryder]

Wipes drool from chin. Damn, these pics are better than porn. Yes, I'm a budshot addict.
I refuse rehab for my afliction. Shrinks back in the recliner with a satifying smlie.

 

[Guest]

Hawaiian's 'hawaiian sativa' pics that he's posted are actually leaning towards a more indi-sat hybrid profile,not LR sativa.
Ze' Thaibrids and Hazes that I like the most tend to lean well into the razor-thin leaf landrace variety,and the GH SSH mothers that I chose also reflect, to a great degree,this trait,as well.
I love 'em all,but there's something about the LR/close-to LR sats that just floats mah' boat!

Smoking this wasn't difficult....

Here are some over-the-top sativa-doms,both Grimm's DTC99 (SSSC Durban-Thai Highflyer/C99) and Greenhouse's Super Silver Haze....

DTC99:

SSH:

 

[Guest]

Nice Sally shots Rez! Ya can't beat a nicely cured Sativa right before working in the Veggy garden or hopping on the tractor to cut Grass!

 

[Guest]

Good to see you back,G-Man!
Keeping the schwagg out of your desk,I hope!
I like sativas best for the daytime,wether they be landrace or just sat-dom hybrid keeper moms that I already own/will encounter as I work my way through well over two hundred varieites that I have warehoused in the next few years.
Indicas at night,along with hashish,oil,and whatever I can put into mah' pipe! :smile:

 

[HawaiianGrown]

Rez, this is Hawaii Land Race

Rez, this is Hawaii Land Race

Aloha Rez,

I understand that land race sativas look different in different parts of this world.

Thin leaves just aren't done in Hawaii.

Trust me, this is a Hawaiian LandRace Sativa. It gets real big, real dark green sun leaves, and the colas get huge and leafy.

The Hawaiian LandRace Indica produces Indica buds, the Sativa will produce Sativa buds. We will all see in about nine weeks Huh?

Does anyone else have a landrace-Hawaiian Sativa in veg for comparison?

See you around like a donut.

 

[Dutchgrown]

Very interesting!

Very interesting!

So let me get this straight...the landrace sativas in Hawaii are different in appearance to other sativas? Here's a pic of Neville's Haze vegging outdoors from my last garden, which displays the usual thin bladed leaves typical of a super sativa. What's in the genetic makeup of the hawaiian sativa that makes it look so different (broader leaves)? How interesting!




:friends:

Aloha!

dg

 

[HawaiianGrown]

Yes different, but BETTER

Yes different, but BETTER

Aloha DutchGrown,

To Quote the canna"bible" (p. 114):

"Any strain grown in the islands for a few generations will begin to acclimate to the local growing conditions....Strains change so fast in Hawaii that after a little while, it becomes, basically, Hawaiian."

and

"Hawaiian Marijuana has long been regarded as the best in the world. Is it true? Yes, most definitely, without a doubt."

can you get a better endorsement?


I'd be glad to grow out the purest old-school Sativa beans anyone wants to exchange, and show everyone what they do outside in Hawaii after a few incrosses. Should take about 13 months of sexing out.


Here is a pic of a from Holland-Seed of Soma's Amnesia Haze in veg. It has the thinnest leaves I got. Not for long though, as its breeding stock.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Personally, I wouldn't breed with a Haze that looks like that--if I'm looking for a Haze-dominant parent. It's clear as day (IMO) that there's a percentage of indica in that one. Perhaps sativas look more like indicas in Hawaii after a while because they are accidentally pollenated by local plants with indica in them? Seems feasible. The only way that a sativa can start looking indica is if it's crossed to an indica or if it's grown in inferior light conditions. In inferior light conditions, I've seen some sativa leaf blades get pretty wide--perhaps to collect more of that precious light... Not sure, but that's the only way I can see sativa blades getting wider over time. Hawaiian landrace may well look that way for all I know though. By the looks of them, I would be totally surprised to find that these indica-looking sativas posess all the taste/high qualities of the sativas I've smoked. But I've been surprised before

 

[Guest]

Aloha DutchGrown,

1) To Quote the canna"bible" (p. 114):

2) "Any strain grown in the islands for a few generations will begin to acclimate to the local growing conditions....Strains change so fast in Hawaii that after a little while, it becomes, basically, Hawaiian."

and

3) "Hawaiian Marijuana has long been regarded as the best in the world. Is it true? Yes, most definitely, without a doubt."

4)can you get a better endorsement?


I'd be glad to grow out the purest old-school Sativa beans anyone wants to exchange, and show everyone what they do outside in Hawaii after a few incrosses. Should take about 13 months of sexing out.


5)Here is a pic of a from Holland-Seed of Soma's Amnesia Haze in veg. It has the thinnest leaves I got. Not for long though, as its breeding stock.

I'll address these by numbers,above.

1) Quoting Jason King is a sure way to get a from those who know their cannabis.The Cannabible is full of heresay and Jason King's a mediocre photographer.

2) King showing how little he knows.
<Note:Just because it says so in print doesn't make it so->
Landraces may acclimate to survive,but self-broadening their leaves is not a result of acclimation,not without cross-pollination.
Incrossing may bring out different traits,but LR sats generally don't differ much in their profile.

3) I've seen the World's Finest Marijuana in many parts of the world.
Hawaii doesn't have a lock on good genetics,and they didn't create the wheel.

4) A better endorsement?
Sure.
Many,in fact.

5) Here's a helpful tip for you:
Soma's Amnesia Haze contains (GASP!) INDICA.
Hence,even though it's sat-dom,it retains the wider,indi-sat leaf profile of an outcross that Soma did in the past.
Fyi,Soma lost his original Amnesia Haze Mom back along,in a raid,and had to
retool with another mom,from his Amnesia seedline,which was,if you recall,an indica outcross.Soma doesn't usually talk to people about his breeding program,it's quite proprietary.However,since he and I are old friends,he shared with me that information a couple of years ago,now,and I'm sure he really wouldn't mind that piece of info being shared with you,as it seems you intend to breed something with the plant pictured-you should know your pedigrees** so you don't,um,misrepresent what you're doing,or inadvertantly fuck up a hybrid because you missed some potential negative recessive parental trait because you didn't know the potential downsides of the P1/P2 stock you were working with.

So,to sum it up:

1) Quoting the Cannabible is a mistake.

2) Thinking that plants will evolve at hundreds of times the rate of normal evolution in order top survive in a temperate climate is incorrect.



Any time I can help,am always :smile: to do so.




Cheers!





**Most likely Soma used his Afghani/Hawaiian father,which brodens leaves and shortens flowertimes and increases yields significantly.

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Personally, I wouldn't breed with a Haze that looks like that--if I'm looking for a Haze-dominant parent. It's clear as day (IMO) that there's a percentage of indica in that one. Perhaps sativas look more like indicas in Hawaii after a while because they are accidentally pollenated by local plants with indica in them? Seems feasible. The only way that a sativa can start looking indica is if it's crossed to an indica or if it's grown in inferior light conditions. In inferior light conditions, I've seen some sativa leaf blades get pretty wide--perhaps to collect more of that precious light... Not sure, but that's the only way I can see sativa blades getting wider over time. Hawaiian landrace may well look that way for all I know though. By the looks of them, I would be totally surprised to find that these indica-looking sativas posess all the taste/high qualities of the sativas I've smoked. But I've been surprised before

:smile:

 

[Guest]

HG those plants are looking super leafy and very healthy, can't wait to see them start budding. sorry to see the thread is getting a little contentious. I'm a little stressed about your beans, I put them in cups w/ soil on tuesday instead of the normal starter plugs I use and they haven't broke through yet... i knew i should've just gone with the rapid rooter plugs again, ack... I got a heating mat under them today though so hopefully its just a temperature issue and i haven't screwed up all ur seeds i'll post some pics when they (wishing very hard) break through...

 

[HawaiianGrown]

Well.....

Well.....

Aloha Rez and Phat Daddy,


Let's not get into a pissing match over this, but..


Aloha Rez, yes, I have been friends with Soma since 1996, and I know what he breeds. Those Amnesia haze seeds came from his stash years ago.

and while we're dropping names, the man who wrote the book on marijuana botany, Rob Clarke, visits my garden often. As a world renowned expert, I value his opinion and have gained much knowledge from him.

He says this is an excellent Hawaiian Land-Race Sativa, and he said that I can say he says "I smoked it, and its Good."

Phat Daddy.... keep me posted. If I don't get sprouts after four days in dirt from cracking in water, I dig em up and find out whats wrong. Sometimes plants need the hand of man. Usually not though.


While I fully understand what Rez is saying about sloppy breeding, I am a TWENTY-FIVE year grower and breeder of quality Hawaiian herb. Please don't assume anything other than I know the score.



ps Bacchus: I'll take care of ya.

 

[guest123]

I like the equatorial,Thai-based sats bestest

my thoughts too rez , although only a small percentage of them are true keepers , and always show their form best in tropical grow conditions , man id like the key to that indoors ..
i see some pretty fat leafs in your pure sativas , am i to assume at some stage they have had some indica influences ??
also im trying to get some sort of stats on latitudes closer to the equator , eg , where it begins and ends as far as tropical , subtropical, and just , well youd better grow indoors .. lol ... , how many seasons do you get ?? how long is the longest day etc ...

 

[Crazy Composer]

This thread isn't getting contentious in the least. When serious cannabis connoiseuers come together for discussion, sometimes disagreances are hashed out this way. Things break up into a pissing match when someone takes something personally, instead of taking it for the discussion that it is...

Now back to logic... HawaiianGrown, you MUST admit that the shape of the leaves, the stem structure and the internode lengths all smack of indica influence, no matter who called them what, when... The first impression of an experienced pot grower is that there's indica in those genetics. So showing us a pic of something that looks like indica/sativa and calling it a pure LR sativa is naturally going to raise some discerning eyebrows, as it has... Especially since there have been plenty of pics of sativas in Hawaii without wide leaves. I have no doubt there's plenty of sativa in there, but I do have doubts that there's absolutely no indica in there. I'm surprised that a 25 year grower wouldn't question this himself??? Are you sure about these genetics? If you can prove that they are pure LR sativas, I would feel like I've entered the twilight zone, and that everything I've learned about sativas and indicas is wrong.

I would like to enter into evidence the Landrace Nepalese. It's leaves are not pure indica-looking either--rather sativa-looking as a matter of fact--but they're refered to as indicas. This is similar to the Hawaiians we see here, they're called sativas but look like there's indica in there. Nepal used to be close to Africa shortly after the initial breakup of Pangea (when all the continents were one). When Africa pulled south, the African sativas were isolated in the cooler Nepalese climate, so they slowly changed to become more indica-like, but while retaining sativa traits. THIS I UNDERSTAND, but Hawaii has been around for only a very short amount of time--when compared to the Nepalese sativa story. So I'm entirely inclined to believe that these Hawaiian sativas are in fact ind/sat hybrids that can't be proven otherwise--so they're proudly touted as pure sativas... But it doesn't really matter what I believe, except to me. :smile:

P.S. I love constructive arguing about pot with other pot connoisseuers :wink: It would be a shame if pride ends up cutting this fun exchange short. cc

 

[Farmer John]

So if I take a boat, full of lets say indian landrace satty, and go to same latitude that Hawaii is, the pot turns broad-leaved in just a few generations and becomes "boatweed grown at the same latitude than Hawaii"?

 

[HawaiianGrown]

leaves are just one part of the equation

leaves are just one part of the equation

Aloha Composer,

This isn't contentious, its fun.

As I have tried to say, Indica v. Sativa ca be expressed in may ways.

Sun Leaves are just one component.

In Hawaii, Indicas never grow over five-six feet. Sativas grow over seven feet. Sativa nodes are far spaced, Indica nodes are close spaced. Indica buds are not leafy and thick. Sativa Buds are less thick and leafy. Indica finishes real fast in 45 days. Sativas finish slow in 70 days.

Don't get hung up on this. As I said, get me a bean of your truest thin leaf 100% sativa, I will show you what it does here in Hawaii. If you don't believe me, or the cannabible, or Rob Clarke, you can trust your own eyes can't you?

As far as knowing my genetics, of course I do, I create them and select the best.

patience everyone, I'll keep posting pics and we can all learn about Hawaii's mystical morphing powers.

 

[resinryder]

Very intresting thread. BTW, I was in Ohau last year and came across some super local grown treats. Don't know what it was but a pinner got 3 of us really wasted. Dang good smell and taste. Beautiful island and great sites. Look forward to returning some day.

 

[Guest]

Awsome reading and I even learned a few things! Thanks People

 

[Babbabud]

great thread ........

 

[Guest]

Are there any differences...

Are there any differences...

 

[Babbabud]

The older I get the worse my eyes seem to be hmmm