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ha, luckily i was able to achieve that state of mind with a lil weed instead =)
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i heard on certain raw diet, like fruitarianism..or others... you actually stop smelling totally... ? maybe so
Theres always one guy in the crowd that just has to be different.
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lol I use teh spray on deaodrant like axze or red zone not because those commercials show you getting attacked by crowds of naked women but I'm just lazy and spraying is faster.
plus deodrant doesn't really eliminate the smell when you sweat a lot like when you are working hard or doing sports. You'll just smell like sweat + deodrant.
plus deodrant doesn't really eliminate the smell when you sweat a lot like when you are working hard or doing sports. You'll just smell like sweat + deodrant.
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Okay...Okay....check this out.
I read the article at http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/7/prweb264030.htm Where the nurse, (Andrea Garland, a registered nurse at the Sharon, PA Regional Hospital ) is telling us the evils of deodorant and antiperspirant and how it's making our vital organs toxic and causing cancer.
So I did some research on this. Look up the chemical and it's tests and uses, etc.. All found to be in acceptable ranges. In fact, there tends to be more of it in our drinking water, as it's used to help clean it.
So I went back to the article, which was very convincing. She even suggested an alternative, "Crystal Deodorant Stones" and where to buy it.
Hey ...hmmm. Let's do a domain whois:
Wait a second - the owner of this online store given to us to prevent the dangers of deodorant is the same Nurse Andrea Garland whom is telling us about how evil deodorant is in the first place and what's with registering a legit business with a hotmail account.
Hmmm, I smell more than B.O. I smell a sales pitch.
Hey, that's fine, all is fair in business right - although I'd trust a business more if the business owner didn't hide behind a free anonymous email like hotmail. After all, if you're running a legit business, you don't need to hide. And I'd trust someone more if being in a medical professional had medical research to back their claims. All I can find is:
Anyways, I'm sure there is something to the use of antiperspirants and inhibiting the body from it's natural expulsion of bacteria and other toxins, but thus far the data states the amount in deodorants is less then what you're drinking in a normal glass of tap water.
And me thinks....someone is just trying to sell some crystal deodorant stones to suppliment their nursing salary. But hey, retirement is expensive and I give her an "A" for effort, but a "D" on backing her claims.
I read the article at http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/7/prweb264030.htm Where the nurse, (Andrea Garland, a registered nurse at the Sharon, PA Regional Hospital ) is telling us the evils of deodorant and antiperspirant and how it's making our vital organs toxic and causing cancer.
So I did some research on this. Look up the chemical and it's tests and uses, etc.. All found to be in acceptable ranges. In fact, there tends to be more of it in our drinking water, as it's used to help clean it.
So I went back to the article, which was very convincing. She even suggested an alternative, "Crystal Deodorant Stones" and where to buy it.
Oh, well that was nice of her to even give us a website to go and order some of these hypoallergenic crystal deodorant stones - you know, it's a good idea, this nurse tells us we should - we don't want cancer.
Hey ...hmmm. Let's do a domain whois:
Source: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=naturalhealthmarket.com
Wait a second - the owner of this online store given to us to prevent the dangers of deodorant is the same Nurse Andrea Garland whom is telling us about how evil deodorant is in the first place and what's with registering a legit business with a hotmail account.
Hmmm, I smell more than B.O. I smell a sales pitch.
Hey, that's fine, all is fair in business right - although I'd trust a business more if the business owner didn't hide behind a free anonymous email like hotmail. After all, if you're running a legit business, you don't need to hide. And I'd trust someone more if being in a medical professional had medical research to back their claims. All I can find is:
I just took that quote from wiki, but I did check a bunch others. Here's one good place to start, they have a list of other links related to the chemical and tests made on it. http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search
Anyways, I'm sure there is something to the use of antiperspirants and inhibiting the body from it's natural expulsion of bacteria and other toxins, but thus far the data states the amount in deodorants is less then what you're drinking in a normal glass of tap water.
And me thinks....someone is just trying to sell some crystal deodorant stones to suppliment their nursing salary. But hey, retirement is expensive and I give her an "A" for effort, but a "D" on backing her claims.
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Yeah, I trust http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ingredient.php?ingred_id=2439 more at this point. Whered you get the info on drinking water amounts per glass vs deodorant?
Yummybud said:
dude here's a little note... that Axe/Tag shit...smells like shit...the only people who don't think so are the people who actively (over)use it
And this isn't directed towards you, Yummy, but people way overuse perfumed shit. Shampoos, soaps, deodorant, hair spray/gel/mousse/etc. If you're like me and you don't use ANY perfumed ANYTHING, walking around these people is about as pleasant as walking through the perfume aisle at the local mall. It SUCKS. I wish people would tone down on that shit.
You really only smell the vinegar for the first few minutes. By the time youre out of the bathroom or out of the house, you don't smell it anymore. It works wonders for BO and is a natural way to get rid of it without worrying about poison creeping into your body.
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That's on ALUMINUM ZIRCONIUM, I narrowed to only checking Aluminum Chlorohydrate, as that's the active ingredient in the one I use.
Anyways...I toss in some excerpts:
Why is aluminum added to drinking water during treatment?
Here's some information on the absorbion of aluminum in various forms on test animals and human test subjects.
http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/aluminum.shtml
As for amounts in your drinking water, the ppm amount in drinking water varies to where you are. Here's a generic data sheet on drinking water contaminant levels from Bay County, Florida: http://www.co.bay.fl.us/bccor/2005WaterQuality.pdf
Now according to OSHA a typical Anti-Perspirant Deodorant Spray (made by Hydrox Laboratories in this example) gives off 15% of Aluminum Chlorohydrate in a given application (based on a 2/08/05 dated test result), which of course varies user to user. You referred to ALUMINIUM ZIRCONIUM, this contains 20% in a given stick of deodorant/antiperspirant. (source: United States Patent 6045823)
So given theses studies, the amount of absorption via topical application (using an aluminum salt based deodorant) vs ingested absorption (the "cleaned" drinking water), the amounts absorbed into the body are significantly higher by the drinking water than by daily use of the deodorant.
Even still absorption is still low according to the International Aluminum Institute (http://www.world-aluminium.org/environment/health/index.html), "recent studies have shown that the absorption of aluminium from the digestive tracts is often as low as 0.001%". And in healthy individuals, the kidneys quickly excrete most of the aluminum our bodies absorb.
The biggest source of aluminum comes from our municipal water supplies. Many municipal water supplies are treated with both aluminum sulfate and aluminum fluoride. And if your water is fluoridated, the situation is even worse. The National Institutes of Environmental Heath Sciences NIEHS ( http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/16/fluoride.htm ) acknowledged that fluoride has been observed to have synergistic effects on the toxicity of aluminum. They found boiling fluoridated tap water in an aluminum pan leached almost 200 parts per million ppm of aluminum into the water in 10 minutes and leaching of up to 600 PPM occurred with prolonged boiling. Using non-fluoridated water showed almost no leaching from aluminum pans. (source:http://www.dld123.com/q&a/index.php?date=2006-04)
There's the horrible results - You get more aluminum from your water than your deodorant. An exact comparison would be better of course, but because of the low absorption rates from topical application (ppm comparison) vs ingestation, there has been no specific studies done except with large amounts (http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/aluminum.shtml) and those studies found the amounts acceptable due to the body's ability to rid it's self of it - save large amounts which it will absorb into the bones and slowly release to get rid of it. Which makes me wonder, how much aluminum are we carrying around in our bones by drinking soda pop out of cans? And I'm tossing that aluminum pot I have - your bringing up this topic has made me aware of, not so much worried about my deodorant, but how awful that aluminum pot I have is - I do boil in it to cook! It's gone - outta here, damn I had no idea.
Anyways...I toss in some excerpts:
Why is aluminum added to drinking water during treatment?
Source: http://www.quantumlynx.com/water/vol7no1/story6.html
Here's some information on the absorbion of aluminum in various forms on test animals and human test subjects.
http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/aluminum.shtml
There's more in that, if you're interested. The article suggests problems and toxicity with large amounts - which is like anything on this planet, excessive amounts of anything is very bad.
As for amounts in your drinking water, the ppm amount in drinking water varies to where you are. Here's a generic data sheet on drinking water contaminant levels from Bay County, Florida: http://www.co.bay.fl.us/bccor/2005WaterQuality.pdf
Now according to OSHA a typical Anti-Perspirant Deodorant Spray (made by Hydrox Laboratories in this example) gives off 15% of Aluminum Chlorohydrate in a given application (based on a 2/08/05 dated test result), which of course varies user to user. You referred to ALUMINIUM ZIRCONIUM, this contains 20% in a given stick of deodorant/antiperspirant. (source: United States Patent 6045823)
So given theses studies, the amount of absorption via topical application (using an aluminum salt based deodorant) vs ingested absorption (the "cleaned" drinking water), the amounts absorbed into the body are significantly higher by the drinking water than by daily use of the deodorant.
Even still absorption is still low according to the International Aluminum Institute (http://www.world-aluminium.org/environment/health/index.html), "recent studies have shown that the absorption of aluminium from the digestive tracts is often as low as 0.001%". And in healthy individuals, the kidneys quickly excrete most of the aluminum our bodies absorb.
The biggest source of aluminum comes from our municipal water supplies. Many municipal water supplies are treated with both aluminum sulfate and aluminum fluoride. And if your water is fluoridated, the situation is even worse. The National Institutes of Environmental Heath Sciences NIEHS ( http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/16/fluoride.htm ) acknowledged that fluoride has been observed to have synergistic effects on the toxicity of aluminum. They found boiling fluoridated tap water in an aluminum pan leached almost 200 parts per million ppm of aluminum into the water in 10 minutes and leaching of up to 600 PPM occurred with prolonged boiling. Using non-fluoridated water showed almost no leaching from aluminum pans. (source:http://www.dld123.com/q&a/index.php?date=2006-04)
There's the horrible results - You get more aluminum from your water than your deodorant. An exact comparison would be better of course, but because of the low absorption rates from topical application (ppm comparison) vs ingestation, there has been no specific studies done except with large amounts (http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/aluminum.shtml) and those studies found the amounts acceptable due to the body's ability to rid it's self of it - save large amounts which it will absorb into the bones and slowly release to get rid of it. Which makes me wonder, how much aluminum are we carrying around in our bones by drinking soda pop out of cans? And I'm tossing that aluminum pot I have - your bringing up this topic has made me aware of, not so much worried about my deodorant, but how awful that aluminum pot I have is - I do boil in it to cook! It's gone - outta here, damn I had no idea.
Im so glad I made the right choice and installed a 6 stage RO unit under the sink. As long as it's producing water @ ~10ppm, I don't even want to know what the hell is in the tap water.
The local water utility here is having issues with releasing either too much or too little chlorine into the drinking wells. And then local wells ar egetting shut down due to high levels of manganese as well as VOCs from the old dump sites that are starting to contaminate and permeate the underground city aquifer.
Hell in a handbasket, I tells ya (sipping on some clean, fresh RO water... AHHHHH)
The local water utility here is having issues with releasing either too much or too little chlorine into the drinking wells. And then local wells ar egetting shut down due to high levels of manganese as well as VOCs from the old dump sites that are starting to contaminate and permeate the underground city aquifer.
Hell in a handbasket, I tells ya (sipping on some clean, fresh RO water... AHHHHH)
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MickeyBlue42
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I am in on the earlier post... my dad passed away last year from cancer.
Anyway, while he was sick he obviously did a lot of research. And let me tell you from water to non-stick pans to microwaves... they all are supposed to cause cancer one way or another!!
So I think everything in moderation!
Anyway, while he was sick he obviously did a lot of research. And let me tell you from water to non-stick pans to microwaves... they all are supposed to cause cancer one way or another!!
So I think everything in moderation!
Sativa_Fan
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Do this many people really not use deodorant? wow. I'm sorry, but there's no fucking way I'm leaving the house without deodorant. I sweat entirely too much at the place I work to get by without it. BO is a HUGE turn-off. I've been around people that I'm pretty sure didn't use any kinda deodorant, and it sure as shit isn't a pleasant experience. That's why they call it 'offensive odor'. You may not smell yourself because you're used to it, but trust me, everyone else can smell your stinkin' ass.
MickeyBlue42
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Sativa_Fan: hahahahahah...... well put!
