Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[Forest20]

Thank you Disciple for showing the Incorrect method of this De-foiling thread.... I am not poking funny but please look at a positive ... Ganja is like hair... It will grow back if you have the patience...

 

[Blunt_69]

so hopefully by now those that oppose this technique (either intelligently or not) understand that a side-by-side grow for comparison will not work.

Yes it will. Because i will use other techniques to make sure everything stays the same. I am testing only one part of defoliation technique. That is in flower.

You cannot test multiple tech in one grow for a controlled test. A single technique must be implemented and applied independently and gauged against a control plant.

See this is the part you guys cant seem to get your heads around. I control the plant. The plant does NOT control me.

Hypothesis. - Removing fan leaf during flower will increase bud production as light will penetrate better into the bud-sites.

Purpose - To prove that the removal of fan leaf in flower increases bud production.

Using 2 control plants and 2 test plants, I will defoliate the test plants of large and mid sized fan leaf up until the 3rd week of flower(or after stretch). The garden shall receive identical environmental control. Every effort will be made to keep this test as fair as possible between the control subjects and test subjects.

The flower defoliation is the one i have the hardest time wrapping my head around.This isn't the first thread on this subject. So I will test this technique first.

Untill it is done in a controlled test. I don't care how much "proof" is claimed and I am not alone. It needs to be properly tested.

To call somebody a naysayer requires concrete facts. We have nothing concrete here.. only multiple grows and opinions.

The only reason this thread is sticky is because it has caught the attention of almost everyone on ICMAG and has a viral traits. ie LOTS of interest and shit slinging... I am merely peeling away the layers to look at the facts.

I will test this myself. Take away from it what you will.

 

[disciple]

 

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[disciple]

 

[dramamine]

Using 2 control plants and 2 test plants, I will defoliate the test plants of large and mid sized fan leaf up until the 3rd week of flower.


It sounds interesting. I would say wait until after the stretch to take leaves off, though. It's pretty likely they won't like you messing with them during. Although, different strains respond differently, whether indica or sativa. Even different phenos of the same strain seem to react differently. I haven't heard that talked about too much yet. I can tell you that the C99 cross I'm running never slowed growth for even a day. It does seem counterintuitive to do much pruning during stretch, regardless of strain, but it's hard to be sure without trying, I guess. peace

 

[Forest20]

OK... A lot clear up from above from the "Incorrect" method...... It will help the people now who just read the "pictures"..(Pun intended)...

 

[disciple]

 

[El Toker]

El Toker,

Please look at the photos I posted a page or so back and read the text.

Would you kindly consider tearing apart my photos and words?

No, seriously, it's just not worth it and it's been done by multiple posters already. Perhaps you could give us a definitive description of the technique in your view point and point us to the posts that demonstrate it's efficacy? That might be a good starting point for an objective analysis.

 

[disciple]

 

[El Toker]

El Toker,

The vertical growth results from the shape of the 16 oz SOLO beer cups.

Thank you.

Are you saying that you had no choice but to grow vertically, or that you put them in the cups to make them grow vertically? Why do you grow vertically, it's a silly strategy under artificial light?

Perhaps you should try a scrog, then you'd see what "increased yield" really means.

 

[disciple]

 

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[TruthOrLie]

Okay Disciple.

Post #2115 - those are the same plant.

Now get two plants. Leave one like the pic on the left, defoliate the other like the pic on the right.

Leave the one not defoliated alone, but treat it well.

Continue to defoliate as needed the second plant, and take pics every time just before you water.

PERFECT SIDE BY SIDE.

 

[disciple]

 

[!!!]

I wouldn't DF this much because plants are stunted for far too long (2-3 weeks,) but they do bounce back. I did a test to see if full defoliation would kill a plant:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3911979&postcount=1526

 

[disciple]

 

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[Blunt_69]

Ok Disciple..

You are using this technique for a purpose indeed .. If you are growing vertical you need to control your veg growth until and up until flower..especially since you are in a hydro.setup. You want to achieve structure of the plant before flipping.

I reckon there is not a better way to control your small branches growth in veg(considering you are working with 2-2.5 liters of root volume).. So you end up with the even flower growth that you are displaying here.I also see you leave what large fan leaf you have on your flower branches. those are what. 1.5 feet long average?

You are specifically using this as a control method in veg.I can see that plain as day. You are also growing in a highly specialized vertical drip system, where overgrowing yourself is easily done without it.

A side by side test in this sense will not work.. Or the results will not validate the purpose because of uncontrollably of growth .Defoliation does this effectively in this sense for you.

I understand why you use it in your system.You could just slam a single branched clone in there and end up with one cola. instead you grow a small scaled plant.which = more bud.

.......but is that a hi yield technique? or a control technique?and does it serve the same purpose in a tree grow in buckets, or a horizontal tray layout??

My hypothesis and purpose is only covering ONE part of the defliolating mechanism. There I bolded it, this time.

Veg and flower, are totally different cycles. In order to see what happens specifically, they must be tested independently.

I already understand the veg part and why people are using it. flower is different.

this is not the defoliation technique. The KTM (K33ftr33z Method) explicitly states you must start early in veg.

I can start removing leafs whenever i want to. I can document exactly what happens to plant structure at different times in plant cycle when i remove them. I can demonstrate the results of my actions using a control plant.

I don't care about the specific technique...... I want to understand how defoliation effects the plant in different stages of life cycle.Your right! Ive never specifically dabbled with defoliation cause & effect..Never had a reason to.