DEA agents among 14 Americans dead in Afghanistan

[nephilthim]

the war on drugs like the war on terror are the basis for the undermining of our personal rights and liberties.for what? to save me from the junky robbing our homes and breaking into
our cars?I have seen dopesick people they are pretty pathetic, pity rehab not jail.
the whole notion of goverment interdiction,and prisons is self serving for their cause not mine hence my reasoning for voting for prop 36,rehab over prison for narcotic offenses.
rand corp studied goverments role in interdiction against drug smuggling as a tax against smugglers which is passed on to society in the form of prisons,dea,cia etc.this tax is passed on to drug users in pricing,which is passed onto to society in the form of property crime.what a fucked up never ending cycle of eternal fucking misery .thewar on drugs is like the war on terror inasmuch as you ask the people that support this crap when will the war end?
you will hear their breath draw in face tighten as their ass puckers in having to respond to a real question with some more self serving propaganda inspired by your tax dollars in the form of political action campaign contributions to keep the pork flowing to the corpratacracy that america is.

 

[North]

some of you folks need to read more and talk less.

start with my sig line.

 

[daddy fingaz]

The Taliban was effective at halting the growing of opium.

what were they growing instead under the tali -'ban'!?

A simpel solution is to buy the opium harvest from the farmers and produce morphine for use in the hospitals so the patients can use mmj to treat their own morphine addiction after treatment.

@daddy fingaz,

I believe New Zealand dominates in medical poppy agribusiness.

If these afghani farmers have little viable choice but to grow poppies then why not let them, it seems at the moment 79% of morphine made from poppies is used by the US/EU? is this because the cost is so high due to a lack of competion/supply if NZ is dominating the market, could this 'afghani' supply mean medical morphine could be made available more widely outside the US/EU!?!

Guys, come on, dial it back please. These were people doing their jobs. In Afghanistan, their role is not aimed at hash or marijuana - but at opium. I am no fan of heroin, nor those who sell it. That drug destroys lives and often leaves shattered husks where once there was a man or a woman. And unlike the crap spouted about our beloved herb - for a change, that's not DEA propaganda.

Im not a fan either but my understanding is that many of the 'dangers' associated with the drug, as with many others infact , is mostly as a direct result of the fact it is illegal!

Maybe they should buy these crops, if anything im sure they could provide addicts with heroin for free and cut out a huge amount of crime/costs (monetary and human cost to society) in the process!?

just a few thoughts, sorry not trying to send this thread in the wrong direction!..

 

[mriko]

So the taliban wont let them grow

This is a complete legend, pure UN propaganda. And it works !

Why don't they just buy it all and destroy it?

Because it would like throwing money away and CIA needs that money.

where is the majority of opium for pharmaceuticals sourced from!?

Turkey & India, Tasmania & France too. Market is regulated by UN, but those suckers don't want to legalize & control Afghan production (even though everyone is well aware that pharmaceutical opiates stocks are waaaay below the world's needs).

there was no Opium growing in afganistan b/f the u.s. invaded.

Totally untrue, but it sky-rocketed after the US-led invasion indeed.

The Taliban was effective at halting the growing of opium. Not 100%, but they had this policy where they would imprison the village elder and the father of the person growing, or some other relative if no living father is available. This put pressure on the entire family and village to give up opium growing. They made it a moral imperative.

Wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Taleban taxed opium & heroin trade (by 10% or so if memory serves me) and made a great deal of money out of it. From their access to power, every year the opium production has increased, except for the year before invasion when they indeed launched some kind of reduction program and organized shows for UN & US official, blowing up a few labs, putting down a few patches of poppies, and the US & UN were to happy to turn all this crap into a story drastic reduction of opium production. It wasn't due to change much things, because at that time there were (and probably still is) huge stocks of dope concealed in the whole country. So much that opium costed less than hash. So it was an economic necessity to somewhat reduce the production, otherwise prices could have crushed.

How do you think the "Afghan Freedom Fighters" generated money to purchase weapons to fight the Soviet invasion of 1979? Opium Production.

CIA brought in weapons & money, and took away the dope some as to make the bucks necessary to pay for mujaheedin weapons & fund insurgency.

NYT: Karzai's Brother On C.I.A. Payroll

Man, I was laughing soooo hard when I heard that this morning ! This makes my day ! One step closer to the exposition of CIA's renewed involvement in dope trafficking!

Radical muslim idealists, Taliban, never had noble goals. Unless you like being beat to death for shaving, well....suppression of your own people....um.........noble is a stretch.

Yes they had a noble goal, it was to pacify the Afghanistan and they did it. But like many before them, they got ovewhelmed by the power they had and went too far. Many "old school" Taleban will tell you that they have made mistakes and been too rough. But those who have replaced them are of a different breed...

Guys, come on, dial it back please. These were people doing their jobs. In Afghanistan, their role is not aimed at hash or marijuana - but at opium. I am no fan of heroin, nor those who sell it. That drug destroys lives and often leaves shattered husks where once there was a man or a woman. And unlike the crap spouted about our beloved herb - for a change, that's not DEA propaganda.

These agents had families. While the DEA and their marijuana policies are anethema to the membership of ICMag, comments approving of their deaths -- especially when engaged in the suppression of the heroin trade -- is going much, much too far.

Yes, if only they were truly engaged in the suppression of heroin trade, but they are not. And anyway even if so, what are they doing there ? Spraying the fields and poisonning whole populations like they did in Colombia ? I have no mercy for DEA agents, agents of evil, period.

I'd just like to see that part exposed and dealt with if it's indeed going on.

But would it change something ? CIA's involvement in drug trafficking during Viet Nam or the Contras are well documented (Hollywood has even made a movie about "Air America", CIA's airline comapny that was carrying loads of dope during the Viet Nam war), but nothing has changed what so ever... Those guys are above all laws and can do whatever they want.

what were they growing instead under the tali -'ban'!?

poppies & weed, as always.

If these afghani farmers have little viable choice but to grow poppies then why not let them, it seems at the moment 79% of morphine made from poppies is used by the US/EU? is this because the cost is so high due to a lack of competion/supply if NZ is dominating the market, could this 'afghani' supply mean medical morphine could be made available more widely outside the US/EU!?!

Stocks are not enough to fill the wolrd's needs, so the Afghani production sure would help. But some powerfull ones don't want. Economic reasons mostly, but also it would pull Afghanistan out of poverty & underdevelopment too quickly for some, who prefer to have a poor afghanistan under their control rather than a free & independent one who can say "fuck you" to whoever he wants.
I'm myself int he mineral business and Afghanistan appears to be a huge jackpot in that field. There's everything, from gemstones, to gold to strategic minerals like Uranium (seemingly heaps of it overthere, words are going that the UK army is involved in clandestine Uranium extraction in Helmand, go figure...) and everybody wants his share. Which won't be possible unless Afghanistan is under colonnial rule.

Im not a fan either but my understanding is that many of the 'dangers' associated with the drug, as with many others infact , is mostly as a direct result of the fact it is illegal!

Maybe they should buy these crops, if anything im sure they could provide addicts with heroin for free and cut out a huge amount of crime/costs (monetary and human cost to society) in the process!?

Excellent point. THe problem is not heroin, the problem is its prohibition. There have been several trials done in Europe where Heroin addict where given their dope and it totally changed their life. Rather than spedning the whole day trying to find money then dope, with all the risk & stress it involves, for the user and the society he lives in, it was just a matter of a few minutes, and they had their whole day available to do what was necessary to re-integrate themselves (looking for job, taking care of them, and so on). Damn, give the sick ones their medicine so they can live in peace!
Lives would be saved, and heaps of money too indeed !

start with my sig line.
__________________
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein

Eheh, very good, I like Einstein's quotes, always so humble & powerfull

Irie !

 

[Guest 88950]

They have been growing opium in Afghanistan for 1000's of years. Long before the conception of the United States.

How do you think the "Afghan Freedom Fighters" generated money to purchase weapons to fight the Soviet invasion of 1979? Opium Production.

true, opium has been growing in that region for centuries but i guess its more prevalent now that the us is there.

the afgan freedom fighters got the silkworm missle from the good ole u.s.. the u.s. gave the soviets their vietnam,

 

[MarquisBlack]

"Taliban drug traffickers"? Hahaha. I know I don't need to point this out, but before the US entered Afghanistan, the Taliban had been suppressing the production of opium. Since the US entered Afghanistan, opium production has skyrocketed.

Fuck the DEA.

 

[KnuckleHedd]

Daddy fingaz....India has long been the worlds largest producer of Opium for the worlds pharmaceutical companies. Turkey and Romania are also legal producers.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

This is a complete legend, pure UN propaganda. And it works !



Because it would like throwing money away and CIA needs that money.



Turkey & India, Tasmania & France too. Market is regulated by UN, but those suckers don't want to legalize & control Afghan production (even though everyone is well aware that pharmaceutical opiates stocks are waaaay below the world's needs).



Totally untrue, but it sky-rocketed after the US-led invasion indeed.



Wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Taleban taxed opium & heroin trade (by 10% or so if memory serves me) and made a great deal of money out of it. From their access to power, every year the opium production has increased, except for the year before invasion when they indeed launched some kind of reduction program and organized shows for UN & US official, blowing up a few labs, putting down a few patches of poppies, and the US & UN were to happy to turn all this crap into a story drastic reduction of opium production. It wasn't due to change much things, because at that time there were (and probably still is) huge stocks of dope concealed in the whole country. So much that opium costed less than hash. So it was an economic necessity to somewhat reduce the production, otherwise prices could have crushed.



CIA brought in weapons & money, and took away the dope some as to make the bucks necessary to pay for mujaheedin weapons & fund insurgency.



Man, I was laughing soooo hard when I heard that this morning ! This makes my day ! One step closer to the exposition of CIA's renewed involvement in dope trafficking!



Yes they had a noble goal, it was to pacify the Afghanistan and they did it. But like many before them, they got ovewhelmed by the power they had and went too far. Many "old school" Taleban will tell you that they have made mistakes and been too rough. But those who have replaced them are of a different breed...



Yes, if only they were truly engaged in the suppression of heroin trade, but they are not. And anyway even if so, what are they doing there ? Spraying the fields and poisonning whole populations like they did in Colombia ? I have no mercy for DEA agents, agents of evil, period.



But would it change something ? CIA's involvement in drug trafficking during Viet Nam or the Contras are well documented (Hollywood has even made a movie about "Air America", CIA's airline comapny that was carrying loads of dope during the Viet Nam war), but nothing has changed what so ever... Those guys are above all laws and can do whatever they want.



poppies & weed, as always.



Stocks are not enough to fill the wolrd's needs, so the Afghani production sure would help. But some powerfull ones don't want. Economic reasons mostly, but also it would pull Afghanistan out of poverty & underdevelopment too quickly for some, who prefer to have a poor afghanistan under their control rather than a free & independent one who can say "fuck you" to whoever he wants.
I'm myself int he mineral business and Afghanistan appears to be a huge jackpot in that field. There's everything, from gemstones, to gold to strategic minerals like Uranium (seemingly heaps of it overthere, words are going that the UK army is involved in clandestine Uranium extraction in Helmand, go figure...) and everybody wants his share. Which won't be possible unless Afghanistan is under colonnial rule.



Excellent point. THe problem is not heroin, the problem is its prohibition. There have been several trials done in Europe where Heroin addict where given their dope and it totally changed their life. Rather than spedning the whole day trying to find money then dope, with all the risk & stress it involves, for the user and the society he lives in, it was just a matter of a few minutes, and they had their whole day available to do what was necessary to re-integrate themselves (looking for job, taking care of them, and so on). Damn, give the sick ones their medicine so they can live in peace!
Lives would be saved, and heaps of money too indeed !



Eheh, very good, I like Einstein's quotes, always so humble & powerfull

Irie !

It's called citation. If you're gonna correct everybody, try using em. Unless you read it outta the Weekly World or yer Mullah Omar's next door neighbor.Then we'd just take your word for it.

 

[daddy fingaz]

Daddy fingaz....India has long been the worlds largest producer of Opium for the worlds pharmaceutical companies. Turkey and Romania are also legal producers.

Legal!? under whose international law i wonder!!?? I thought Pakistan was also a large producer, obviously not 'legally' though!!??

 

[Mist]

Glad to see that the stoner conspiracy theories and misinformation chain is still alive and well.
Go ahead guys, do another bong hit and tell us what you heard a friend of a friend of a friend said about how the government works and what the CIA is really doing.
We are in a war in that country and 14 americans are dead in a crash. Do you have any compassion for their families or are you just too stoned to make any sense of what is going on in the world and prefer to live in your pipe dream world?
I was in the military and am glad to know that if I still was and got killed that people like you (Not all, but you know who you are) would be making jokes about it and idle speculation on what I was "really" doing over there.

Damn kids have no respect for anything anymore.

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

To hell with those filthy DEA scum.`..they are resting where they can do no more harm. As far as I am concerned, the DEA is nothing but a criminal enterprise that should be destroyed any way possible. The scum that got killed over there knew full well that they are making their livings from a ruined and failed policy, prohibition, and they got what they deserved. Maybe if a hundred DEA scum got killed they would start to see the common sense of the matter and get out of the DEA.

We are paying our tax dollars to support these DEA scum and allowing them to roam the world shoving American idiocy down the throats of the poor and disenfranchised. The Taleban has a bullet for every narc that dares to invade their territory and I hope their aim is good. Shed no tears for the DEA agents: These same filthy scummy rat narcs are the same filth that would lock you up for life for a joint and laugh about it. They would plant evidence on you...shoot you..murder you..all to get more busts on their record and more money.

I have NO pity for their families either; if dad is a narc then he gets what narcs get when they are discovered doing their evil deeds. Women should not marry pigs and procreate more little piggy drones...and if DEA agents ahd a hard time getting a date maybe they would quit that scummy agency and get an honest job.

I wish i could pick up a paper and read about DEA agents getting killed every day...talk about a great start to the day!!

 

[mriko]

It's called citation.

it's called quote too

Unless you read it outta the Weekly World or yer Mullah Omar's next door neighbor.Then we'd just take your word for it.

Actually, before setting up my business I've been working for some years at the Geopolitical Drug Watch (OGD) which was in its time the #1 dope intelligence organization. Be it US Dpt. of State, UN, DEA or any Western anti-dope agency, they were all eagerly waiting our annual report, because none of them could get the kind of informations our network was able to gather. My boss was specialized with the Af-Pak opiates scene and would go everyyear to Afghanistan, meeting growers, smugglers, politicians, warlords & talebans. So no, I didn't read it in Weekly World and no, I'm not Mullah Omar's neighbour, but one of our members once brought one of Ben Laden's cousins to my place (she was only in fish business).

Legal!? under whose international law i wonder!!?? I thought Pakistan was also a large producer, obviously not 'legally' though!!??

Under the UN laws. THey are in charge of the legal opiates trade which, although legal, is strongly regulated & controlled. Pakistan WAS indeed an important opium producer, but not anymore. Most remaining production is for local use.

Glad to see that the stoner conspiracy theories and misinformation chain is still alive and well.

This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. For an indebt study of CIA's involvement in drug trafficking, read Alfred McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin in South East Asia". It's a reference in that matter.

Irie !

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

it's called quote too



Actually, before setting up my business I've been working for some years at the Geopolitical Drug Watch (OGD) which was in its time the #1 dope intelligence organization. Be it US Dpt. of State, UN, DEA or any Western anti-dope agency, they were all eagerly waiting our annual report, because none of them could get the kind of informations our network was able to gather. My boss was specialized with the Af-Pak opiates scene and would go everyyear to Afghanistan, meeting growers, smugglers, politicians, warlords & talebans. So no, I didn't read it in Weekly World and no, I'm not Mullah Omar's neighbour, but one of our members once brought one of Ben Laden's cousins to my place (she was only in fish business).

This be you?

I am a member of the group Geopolitical Drug Watch, which is based in Paris. Its the most well-informed think tank on the geopolitics of drugs. It looks at the drug trade's various aspects ? trafficking, money laundering, politics, insurgencies. I've been working with them off and on for about ten years. We study reliable data from intelligence services, journalists, academia and observers.

 

[Elevator Man]

This doesn't surprise me much at all - I'm quite a sceptic too on the 'peaceable' efforts of the DEA in counter-terrorism and the like - their history is just too dodgy to be taken seriously. There were all kinds of rumours around the US support for the KLA in Kosovo/Albania, who were known to also be the main heroin-runners through the Balkans - along with rumours too about Bin Laden's connection during the Kosovo conflict. Doesn't take too much searching to find an evening's worth of online entertainment in that department.

But as to the idea of buying up opium for legal heroin production - it has been discussed many times, and only a couple of years ago the latest initiative was stymied by the usual suspects:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bid-to-wipe-out-afghan-opium-failed-says-un-400724.html

ICOS, formerly The Senlis Council put forward the proposal ages ago, but it's unclear yet whether it will actually work, as detailed in the link following from The Carnegie Endowent for International Peace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Council_on_Security_and_Development_(ICOS)

The proposal document itself is here:

http://www.icosgroup.net/documents/P4M_Economic_Case_Study.pdf

The article mentioning the Carnegie report is here, but the document itself seems to have gone walkies, sadly...

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=19937

 

[mriko]

This be you?

I don't know. I don't remember to have written that, and it's not my style; Probably one of my former colleagues.

Senlis Council's idea is good, but they are against cannabis & would be glad to eradicate it, where it's the only mean to truly reduce opium production.

Irie !

 

[nephilthim]

Glad to see that the stoner conspiracy theories and misinformation chain is still alive and well.
Go ahead guys, do another bong hit and tell us what you heard a friend of a friend of a friend said about how the government works and what the CIA is really doing.
We are in a war in that country and 14 americans are dead in a crash. Do you have any compassion for their families or are you just too stoned to make any sense of what is going on in the world and prefer to live in your pipe dream world?
I was in the military and am glad to know that if I still was and got killed that people like you (Not all, but you know who you are) would be making jokes about it and idle speculation on what I was "really" doing over there.

Damn kids have no respect for anything anymore.

no,I dont to tell you the truth i care for the people that I have lost and loved,not some war taking out towelheads for hellfire missles?639 trillion for iraq,237 for afghanistan,and next stop iran?
shaking the tree of liberty I don't recall fighting wars for weapons of mass destruction?(that never existed,info was extracted under torture by egyptian secret service known to be false bby national security agency and 4 months later used by bush as a pretext for invading iraq?)or supporting drug dealing warlords in afghanistan?
I have nothing but respect for any soldier in our armed services,but that respect does not extend to our goverment,or other bureaucracies and bureaucrats.

 

[bordercollie]

fact! opium production nearly stopped under the teachers... or taliban. since being ousted, an explosion of production and surge in addiction...mmmm how did that happen? couldn't be that DEA did what they did in vietnam or anywhere else they grow. don't fault afghan's for defending their property.
we are there for TERRORIST (what ever that is anymore) but we got our fingers up everyones azz. bring our guys back home, there is nothing to win there...not even our safety...

 

[turbolaser4528]

it's called quote too



Actually, before setting up my business I've been working for some years at the Geopolitical Drug Watch (OGD) which was in its time the #1 dope intelligence organization. Be it US Dpt. of State, UN, DEA or any Western anti-dope agency, they were all eagerly waiting our annual report, because none of them could get the kind of informations our network was able to gather. My boss was specialized with the Af-Pak opiates scene and would go everyyear to Afghanistan, meeting growers, smugglers, politicians, warlords & talebans. So no, I didn't read it in Weekly World and no, I'm not Mullah Omar's neighbour, but one of our members once brought one of Ben Laden's cousins to my place (she was only in fish business).



Under the UN laws. THey are in charge of the legal opiates trade which, although legal, is strongly regulated & controlled. Pakistan WAS indeed an important opium producer, but not anymore. Most remaining production is for local use.



This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. For an indebt study of CIA's involvement in drug trafficking, read Alfred McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin in South East Asia". It's a reference in that matter.

Irie !

dude, that's some heavy shit right there! holy crap

I can't believe "a friend of a friend of yours" had bin laden's cousin over for dinner at their house haha thats fucking crazy man. I'm guessing you truly know just how fucked up everything in the world really is.

I'm lovin the sig btw, makes a friend, of a friend, of a friend of mine feel proud and gracious to know he's supplying the world with such a pure, enlightening, healthy, beneficial, amazing, safe medicine and in doing so fighting idiocy and in turn evil, whilst providing happiness and general well being.

He feels its his purpose in life, among others, and must continue doing it no matter what. He doesn't know why but he just can't stop, even before he made money off it he was addicted to growing, and researches everything about it at least 4-5 hours a day. Is that normal? lol kind of worried about him know what I mean? haha

regardless of if he's making money off of it (selfish), and or wants to make a living doing it he is still doing a good thing and helping people. That's how he sleeps at night knowing he makes money off doing this wonderful thing, and that he may spend time in a cage because of it. The laws of god are higher than the laws of man.


Anyway, forgive the sidetracking of the thread I'm sure many of you "have a friend" that feels the same way.

 

[anikas88]

America went to bed with the northern alliance in Afghanistan, they knew they supported their own war with the taliban through the opium trade. So thats why the troops looked the other way when they saw massive fields of poppies.

 

[mriko]

I can't believe "a friend of a friend of yours" had bin laden's cousin over for dinner at their house haha thats fucking crazy man. I'm guessing you truly know just how fucked up everything in the world really is.

He was a very close friend of mine, exiled Baluchi journalist who was working on al qaeda networks when I first met him.
Indeed, when I joined the team I rapidly started to see the world & its functionning from another point of view and got the confirmation that those people who pretend to lead us are nothingelse than rotten minds, hearts & souls.

Irie !