Shua1991
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If you believe this, you're deluded. I've met them.
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David Grusch - Real Deal UFOs In Gov Possession?
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pilots have to have a 4 year degree from a college, Bachelors degree bare minimum.
Can I post this here?
www.dailymail.co.uk
Pentagon contractor witnessed a 170-foot-long, 'barbell UFO'
A Pentagon engineering contractor in Canada captured electronic evidence of a 170-ft long 'barbell' UFO that glowed an eerie 'indigo' blue plasma, investigators told DailyMail.com
of course, that's what the thread is forCan I post this here?
Pentagon contractor witnessed a 170-foot-long, 'barbell UFO'
A Pentagon engineering contractor in Canada captured electronic evidence of a 170-ft long 'barbell' UFO that glowed an eerie 'indigo' blue plasma, investigators told DailyMail.com
I had read this myself, the dumbbell shape is very unusual
yeah, vast majority reported looked like large LP tanks.
The dumbell is the wreck they found. That could be any shape of the ship before, but yeah, we are talking about dailymail article here.
didn't see anything about a wreck, it was barbell shaped and flew overhead
gee .....you know so much...thank you and the government for your collective wisdom..
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Shua1991
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Quoting nepo-baby tucker Carlson should be mocked in public, you seem to lack this social awareness. Some topics are scientific in nature. Those that inject religious concepts are all bad faith liars or suffering from mental illness(group psychosis aka religious cults).
These are the facts presented by the fbi: every branch of the military is teeming with Christian fascists post 9/11 the number jumped. They're socially a hazard to the corporation as a whole. The christian fascist losers tucker is spoonfeeding are intending to take over and have tried for 40 plus years, hence the cycles of satanic panics. These Christians fascists have been involved in censorship movements since frank zappa had to deal with them in the 60's, and they then make it seem like their political opponents are the ones censoring their speech.
Tucker Carlson got taken off the air for lying and costing his corporation money.
If you don't get this, you're deluded.
Now why would people, who's job is to observe phenomenon, scientifically, why would those people interject with hypotheses that invoke supernatural causes? Any actual scientist would laugh these morons out of the room.
You don't know why?
Please stop begging the question on tuckers's behalf.
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Lehmi
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The supernatural in the past has (sooner or later) always been the object of scientific investigation and represents the respective progress in understanding reality.
To explain it "supernaturally" for the time being represents the first attempt to somehow grasp "it", to be able to put it into words & concepts.
The (moral) accusation of the supernatural view, as understandable as it may seem to a purely matter-reality-oriented person, nevertheless represents a devastating reduction of our world of experience, because we do not consist of pure matter, which demonstrably does not exist, or is defined solely as waves or frequencies in the quantum field and is therefore not tangible in itself.
To deduce from this that mind/consciousness is a waste product of matter is logically insane, or at least profoundly absurd. Funnily enough, seeing a certain supernaturalism in this may also have seemed logical without us having to condemn it.
Whatever, this shows that we have still not penetrated the matrix of our reality.
The attempt to understand by first bringing supernaturalism into play can therefore be seen as a makeshift vehicle on the way to understanding.
Once we consciously acknowledge that it is obviously possible to move in space outside of our current physical understanding, we will move step by step towards enlightenment, no matter from which side we approach.
The way in which we argue about points of view and show at least polite respect for the other point of view shows the degree of maturity of the participants, and the possible depth of the discourse depends on this.
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To explain it "supernaturally" for the time being represents the first attempt to somehow grasp "it", to be able to put it into words & concepts.
The (moral) accusation of the supernatural view, as understandable as it may seem to a purely matter-reality-oriented person, nevertheless represents a devastating reduction of our world of experience, because we do not consist of pure matter, which demonstrably does not exist, or is defined solely as waves or frequencies in the quantum field and is therefore not tangible in itself.
To deduce from this that mind/consciousness is a waste product of matter is logically insane, or at least profoundly absurd. Funnily enough, seeing a certain supernaturalism in this may also have seemed logical without us having to condemn it.
Whatever, this shows that we have still not penetrated the matrix of our reality.
The attempt to understand by first bringing supernaturalism into play can therefore be seen as a makeshift vehicle on the way to understanding.
Once we consciously acknowledge that it is obviously possible to move in space outside of our current physical understanding, we will move step by step towards enlightenment, no matter from which side we approach.
The way in which we argue about points of view and show at least polite respect for the other point of view shows the degree of maturity of the participants, and the possible depth of the discourse depends on this.
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right, this is supposed to be about tangible stuff, not the supernatural
/im not going to get into the supernatural but i would draw a line between the two
so if they have this super alien space craft? what have they learned from it and where are the benefits to man
Lehmi
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There is numerous evidence that spirit is above matter, e.g. placebo/nocebo effect, various achievements by yogis and other spiritually trained people with seemingly impossible things, or even fatal for those mentally (& physically) untrained, as numerous top and extreme athletes prove.
So why should it be generally declared impossible in advance, especially in the assumption of a highly developed species, as the way of locomotion already proves?
We recognize enough in our "modern" world that pure intellectual technological and material progress alone does not bring a solution without also being accompanied by the spiritual, emotional and social further development of consciousness that is connected to everything that surrounds us.
A priori denying further development in this regard means not using the potential that is given to us by nature. A number of quantum physicists, including Nobel Prize winners Anton Zeilinger, agree on this point.
So why should it be generally declared impossible in advance, especially in the assumption of a highly developed species, as the way of locomotion already proves?
We recognize enough in our "modern" world that pure intellectual technological and material progress alone does not bring a solution without also being accompanied by the spiritual, emotional and social further development of consciousness that is connected to everything that surrounds us.
A priori denying further development in this regard means not using the potential that is given to us by nature. A number of quantum physicists, including Nobel Prize winners Anton Zeilinger, agree on this point.
Lehmi
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One point would be the seemingly inexhaustible access of energy, the dislocation without inertia and emergence out of nowhere, i.e. camouflage technology.
In primitive combat situations this would be an insurmountable advantage and would lead to absolute world domination in an instant. (if asymmetrically available)
If used peacefully, however, it would be the solution to all of our environmental and energy problems, and we could freely develop our existence without being oppressed by the supply barons and pushed into senseless wars.
Science could also research freely again... as long as it moves self-determinedly in life-affirming fields.
but where is it? we use ancient fuels to power the world and i dont see this huge leap in science
science is moving forward, but i just dont see anything i would consider ground breaking on the horizon
maybe e.t can make a new iphone
