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(Dark) green leaves at harvest time?! Come on guys, stop overfeeding & flush fully

GrassRoots

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I flush all my plants a minimum of 2 weeks and I find some yellow a lot more than others. They all come out pretty tasty though and all burn to a clean white ash. Here's some pics, I think that the first 2 are hashberry and the last is mandala #1.




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British_Bulldog

Nice pics GrassRoots, thanks for sharing, although I can't help thinking though that you flushed too early with these girls, as the buds aren't fully developed and the pistils are mostly still white.

Did you chop at this stage, or how much longer did you let them go for?

I would say those could go at least another 7-10 days, and there doesn't look to be enough food for them to fully swell up.

Further info would be good GR.

Thanks

Peace
 

Kinderfeld

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I just want to say to those telling others they are not excepting of criticism or new ideas or don't admit having something to learn, comments are coming of kind of cocky, actually real cocky. You can't tell someone they should not act like they know everything and then turn around and tell them you won't talk to them cause their plants aren't good enough lol.

What is more important then getting poeple to listen? To interest them. Your attacking poeple, not teaching them. You lack poeple skills, some teachers get through just saying what to do and what not to do. Sometimes the way you say it is more important that what your actually saying. Got to stop thinking about one perspective... its important... not to you maybe, but to your 'listeners' or would0be listeners rather.

I think if you would have taken a better approach poeple would listen to you more. You just set a bunch of poeple on defense. Which doesn't mean what your teaching is right or a proven way, your just simply not attracting those who need to listen, to listen, which is a flaw in itself if your going to make the attempt.

Also just my 2cents I would never take advice on something like this from someone who doesn't have a pic themselves~! Good lesson for the boards!
 
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FOE20

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Gratzi BritBulldog...Im a cheap ass with the Tap I know...but Im gettin there..my taps been as bad as 440ppm+/8.3+...eesh..super heavy in phloride and calcium..horrible..
I'd still sit down and load a few of my choice runs with anyone to get input..Im not that soft skinned..as long as they dont get outa their chair easily after the blaze Im happy..much thnx again for input and time...be well
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GrassRoots

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Hey BB, I agree, I did flush that 2nd plant too early. I know now that particular pheno of hashberry takes about 10 days longer than my other ones to mature. I believe I let the top 2 pics go about 10 days longer than when these pics were taken but the bottom pic I probably chopped the next day or so.

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Microbeman

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Well I read through most of this thread and will make a few comments. I apologize if I repeat anything someone else has said without making reference.

To start with I am an experienced grower and I suppose some would have said at one juncture a master grower. My life is turned more to scientific horticultural research now.

I absolutely cannot understand why anyone who partakes of the herb or vegetable they grow can even consider growing with chemical fertilizers. If you are smoking the herb, just as well to soak rolling papers in N and light up. That is what you are doing to your body. Having said that please flush…yes flush and keep your herb at home.

Concerning the yellowing (paling) of leaves in flowering, most Indica dominant strains do this for sure (unless like Bull Dog pointed out are retaining chemical N) but there are a few strains I’ve seen which maintain green fan leaves through to finish. The likelihood of greener foliage occurs more in Sativa dominant strains which are genetically acclimatized to 12 hours of light all the time. I know that someone else brought this up.

Also brought up was that flushing organics grown in soil is unnecessary. Contrary to what Bulldog says, this is absolutely correct if you are truly growing organically or naturally. In natural organic growing the microorganisms work in concert to make nutrients bioavailable to the roots of plants. Root systems feed bacteria and archaea (which also feed on fungal hyphae) then protozoa, like flagellates, amoebae and ciliates and bacterial feeding nematodes and rotifers, consume the bacteria and archaea and then release bioavailable nutrients to the roots. Thus a cycle is created, a microbial nutrient cycle or soil food web. (Roots > bacteria/archaea>protozoa, nematodes>roots) This is an over-simplified description and of course fungi (degraders and mycorrhizal) in the soil play a major role. This is all based on the soil being a living thing and as someone pointed out in this thread, when you add amendments like, fish hydrolysate or kelp or molasses, etc. you are feeding the soil or rather the microbes and not the plants.

If you are actually growing with this method and not using some of the pseudo-organic fertilizers around then the idea of flushing is completely silly. Completely silly! All you will do is overload your soil with water, causing an imbalance of microbes, trending towards anaerobes. What are you going to be flushing out? As someone else stated, roots cannot uptake nutrients in organic form. They can only uptake the nutrients processed by microbes. OR they can uptake chemicals made from petroleum products. That is why it is so sick to use them. Tell me; who feeds the plants that grow wild, or the giant redwoods or the Amazon rain forest?

By the way if you wish to get going using the natural method, high quality compost and vermicompost will inoculate your soil with a stock of microbes. You can also brew aerated compost tea to boost the level of beneficial microbes at the onset. If you wish to learn more of this you may look at my website (I still am working on it; not sure I am permitted to provide a link so microbeorganics dot com) Please stick to real soil and compost, avoiding the fancy fertilizer enhanced mixes.

I don’t wish to offend anyone but just like Bulldog thinks he is telling you like it really is I’m trying to tell you like it really really is, as far as science and experience has shown us so far.

Salutations,
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British_Bulldog

Kinderfeld, although I appreciate your point, that was all about me and not the subject in hand. Regarding pics, I've have shown what I mean, and said that I've had my gardens the same, so whether you believe that or not is your business.


Ok cool GrassRoots ;)


And Microbeman - I never claimed to be a soil expert, and did point out that I'm predominantely a hydro guy. This is due to commercial growing.

You say a flush isn't necessary in soil, but how about overfeeding during the grow? That was my other main point of this thread, which you seem to have completely ignored.

You clearly have a lot of organics knowledge, and so your feeding tips would be appreciated here.


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just for the colors....this plant was far from perfect cause I was testing P levels and molasses intake in DWC and she sure turned out sexy enough...flav and effect was proper..
Im still learning to lighten my hand in DWC with organics...shit I thought 400-500ppm would be low....Im finding real nice results between 300-420..
this is mid flush..motarebels Herijuana #3sat phenom bout 9-10wks..
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Microbeman

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British_Bulldog said:
Kinderfeld, although I appreciate your point, that was all about me and not the subject in hand. Regarding pics, I've have shown what I mean, and said that I've had my gardens the same, so whether you believe that or not is your business.


Ok cool GrassRoots ;)


And Microbeman - I never claimed to be a soil expert, and did point out that I'm predominantely a hydro guy. This is due to commercial growing.

You say a flush isn't necessary in soil, but how about overfeeding during the grow? That was my other main point of this thread, which you seem to have completely ignored.

You clearly have a lot of organics knowledge, and so your feeding tips would be appreciated here.


Peace

You seem to have not noticed the point I made that with true organics there is no such thing as feeding your plants so therefore no such thing as overfeeding. This only occurs in artificially based chemical/hydro growing.
 
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British_Bulldog

Well for the small proportion of people who grow true organics, and don't add any feed at all, that's a great way to grow.

You may have thought you made a point, but making a point is just that, and making it clear for people to understand.

You saying you don't need to feed true organics was subtly hidden between the lines, and I skim read your post before as I was busy at the time.

However, this thread is about overfeeding and/or underflushing.

You have made an important point about true organics, which involves neither, but not having any further relevance to the thread, I don't see what we can achieve by any further discussion on the subject.

I see you're new here and obviously have a lot of organics knowledge, and that's great. I'm sure I can learn from you, and maybe you should start a thread on growing true organics; I know I for one would read it.


Peace
 
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Hi Foe,

Your tap water sounds like a problem, and that's quite a high PPM for it - I recommend you using an RO filter.

You say that pic is mid-flush, do you have any pics at harvest?


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m@rg

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i have got to say i respect british bulldog advice , and ill stick by it

this is the way i see it - i think every one here knows they have to "flush" if they have to ,but i think its more of the right timing of it that some people get wrong , me for example i get to day 80 ,no weed and shes just looking at me saying "smoke me" ...so i used to do just that, regardless of what she looks like ,but im learning and i will continue to
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Microbeman

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I was actually posting to support the comments made by a few of the organic growers who were then contradicted by you and one or two other blokes who have absolutely no clue how plants actually grow. Also, I did not say that you do not feed. I said that you are feeding the soil microbes. I have no control over your inability to read what I actually say.

What I did say however, is highly relevant to this thread, as it addresses the fact that properly and ethically grown plants do not need any kind of flushing. It is likely only the greed created by the commercial grower and fertilizer companies has created this scenario to begin with. Now we have a meriad of people who are beginners at growing being sucked into the mentality that plants are to be fed.
 
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British_Bulldog

Ok cool m@rg, thanks for the comments, and I look forward to seeing and hearing about how your future plants turn out :)

Microbeman - Well I've looked at your website and can say you're an intelligent guy who knows his organics, but not a weed grower. However, the real reason you're here is to promote your product: the 50 Gallon Microbulator, so of course you're going to be against feeding and hydro, etc.

It's also interesting to see your pic on the website, not something you see with weed growers of course.

Growing commercial hydro is not always about greed by the way - it's about stealth, and carrying large amounts of soil in and out of houses is likely to get you caught, whereas Rockwool and NFT medium/rootmats are easier to transport and dispose of.


Peace
 
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British_Bulldog

You also say chemical nutes are derived from 'petroleum products', whereas I thought they were salt-based??
 

Microbeman

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I developed a strain which was the highest seller with the BC compassion club in Vancouver for several years running. There was an article about it in Skunk (?) magazine. I am proud of this as my work helped many ill and disabled people. I am not trying to promote my brewer here but thanks for mentioning it. I have made an honest effort to make it affordable and make very little money from it.
 
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Microbeman, considering the vast majority of your website revolves around your products (also a DVD I see) and that you posted your website link here tells me another story...

What was the strain you worked on?
 
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Microbeman

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British_Bulldog said:
You also say chemical nutes are derived from 'petroleum products', whereas I thought they were salt-based??

Salts derived from petroleum for the most part. The farmers in our area and across the world are in a tough spot because of the rising costs of oil and subsequently fertilizers. Some of us are working hard to create alternatives.
 

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So you're saying that amonium nitrate is derived from crude oil? I don't know where to begin with what's wrong with that.
 
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