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Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion
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Dr.Suess
I find it ironic that in the landrace race thread SamS is demanding that all landrace seeds especially older ones are sent in to him as he wants them..
We growers demand the RKS but you won't indulge us but expect everyone to give you what you want!
How is that fair exactly?
We growers demand the RKS but you won't indulge us but expect everyone to give you what you want!
How is that fair exactly?
IMaybe not Sam but non PhDs have done plenty of good say the last hundred year's. If we are thinking a phd savior is on the way then all of us are wasting time we should stop now, why waste time? There is a good chance in a hundred years every traditional breeding scheme may become obsolete with gmo tech advancing so rapidly.
You don't need a phd to learn statistics, frequency, or basic genetic principles you can use to do good work.
Most of you old heads did not start out with a phd. Its a good thing you and others didn't listen to people who I'm sure doubted you.
Original pre domesticated maize grew one inch cobs. 10,000 years of non phd breeding did ok.
You don't need a phd to learn statistics, frequency, or basic genetic principles you can use to do good work.
Most of you old heads did not start out with a phd. Its a good thing you and others didn't listen to people who I'm sure doubted you.
Original pre domesticated maize grew one inch cobs. 10,000 years of non phd breeding did ok.
I find it ironic that in the landrace race thread SamS is demanding that all landrace seeds especially older ones are sent in to him as he wants them..
We growers demand the RKS but you won't indulge us but expect everyone to give you what you want!
How is that fair exactly?
Quit posting stupid bullshit. He asked for help from the community for a project that BENEFITS US ALL. Its not like he's keeping them, he is DNA sequencing them. Big difference.
They are his genetics he created so stop telling him what's fair to do with them.
Fucking newbies these days...
Dankwolf, have you found the source of your cotton candy?
I can not say. When I make seeds in a greenhouse the seeds can still be over 90% germination after 25 years if kept correctly at low temps. Outdoor seeds have to be harvested before rains, 10 weeks or not, that can make keeping them super long times more much difficult. When I make seeds I let them mature for another 8-10 weeks after pollination, it fucks up the weed but makes the best, longest lasting seeds.
Maybe someone will answer who they think is a knowledgable plant breeder that works with Cannabis, understands genetics and can do pretty straight forward breeding like making single Cannabinoid varieties besides THC or CBD? We did it a decade ago with CBC, CBG, THCV, CBDV, CBCV, CBGV, and I still have not yet seen anyone else's?
No problem, I do agree that many people can select great plants but that is barely breeding if all you do is cross someone else's elite clone with another persons different elite clone and grow out the all female seeds and select the best, it is more selection then true breeding, but who really cares if the Cannabis is great? But that does not mean they can breed plants. They have just scratched the surface. I do know a few good competent plant breeders that work with Cannabis, but they do not have the space or facilities to do what they would like to do. That will change.
-SamS
That's one thing I totally agree on. To get the best seeds you must sacrifice the weed.
I also find it ironic that there is a never ending stream of threads either searching for rks or trying to recreate rks. No matter who's thread Sam will in fact eventually to share his piece. First he will state he had and still has the seeds needed to complete the project. And not just a few but kilos. The he will point out that correct breeding requires thousands and he is the only one that has ever done that. Then he will state he don't like rks but might someday decide to profit off the stash he has. All the while he is requesting the oldest and rarest seeds on the planet.
Just my 2 cents. If these strains are to be preserved for the future they would be better off in the hands of somebody with a reputation for sharing strains and preserving traits rather than breeding them away.
I would love to see a genetic map of all cannabis strains but I'll be mighty ticked if they are all being hoarded by some guy with a ton (his words) of seed but won't share the genetics to create a strain he don't like.
The whole thing has a horrible Monsanto vibe to it?
Just my 2 cents. If these strains are to be preserved for the future they would be better off in the hands of somebody with a reputation for sharing strains and preserving traits rather than breeding them away.
I would love to see a genetic map of all cannabis strains but I'll be mighty ticked if they are all being hoarded by some guy with a ton (his words) of seed but won't share the genetics to create a strain he don't like.
The whole thing has a horrible Monsanto vibe to it?
Dankwolf
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I wish it would have carried over for me .
I agree as far as wld and pm/mold magnets and the lack of a true high.
Also. I'm a hobby breeder. I'm chipping away at my 1000s slowly. I've started a few hundred of one of my crosses over a few years. My favorite is still the #2. I'm sure had I ran 1000 at once I'd maybe like #997? And what's better. I'm not breeding a skunk or working with skunks. And during the cure there is definitely some did notes. Definitely impossible for the hobby breeder. Lol
More of this
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I always wonder? Is skunk free skunk supposed to be like alcohol free beer? Or a meatless burger? Why don't he call his strain sugar free candy?
Is it possible he couldn't lock down the traits everyone wants and knows several competent breeders that could have years ago?
Is it possible he couldn't lock down the traits everyone wants and knows several competent breeders that could have years ago?
I find it ironic that in the landrace race thread SamS is demanding that all landrace seeds especially older ones are sent in to him as he wants them..
We growers demand the RKS but you won't indulge us but expect everyone to give you what you want!
How is that fair exactly?
I have never demanded that anyone send me landrace seeds, that and I am happy with older dead ones because the DNA is more likely to not have western genes in them.
If you think you have a right to demand anything from me go ahead and demand, it will get you nothing. I gave Gypsy several Kgs of Skunk seeds over the years that were not from my sweetie clones, I think he handed them out as freebies, did you get any? Why not? Maybe you did not care enough to bother?
I do not expect seeds alive or dead, but am happy to pass any given on to Phylos for their DNA project. Dead seeds can't be used for much else, or am I missing something? I would be happy to send you dead Skunk seeds if you think they are valuable? Dead seeds are legal to post at least to the USA, the CSA exempts non-viable seeds, but if they can sprout the law is broken and they are illegal.
I suspect you just want free seeds? I have given maybe 100 Kg of Skunk seeds away over the years, sorry if you missed out, but thats life, as the Buddha said, your born, you suffer, you die.
Attachment is a bitch. Desire are the chains that bind us to the cycle of life's, over and over until we learn. Shame no one that likes RKS kept clones of them, that is hard to believe, almost unbelievable.....
Sooner or later I will release the seeds I have, I wanted to find someone that I respect to give them to, as they are rare and valuable to people that want RKS. But I find it hard to respect work done with a few plants, that is not how to breed Cannabis. Not that you can't be lucky with just a few plants, but that is not my way, depending on luck.
Maybe suggest a breeder whom you respect?
-SamS
Dankwolf
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Ok i have to defend sam on this one to a existent. Numbers do matter when you are looking to lock down a Pacific cbd (for lack of a better word) that carries the profile you want . not saying great things cant come from Small runs cause they have .
I know many of ypu may not like slownickel because of the scale of his projects . but this industry's is changing
Wether we like it or not and if you dont like gmo weed dont buy it i know i wont . the consumer is who decides what is grown by what they buy . the people growing are just trying to get there piece of the pie like we all are at some point. Every one is intitled to there own view and own life .
This thread is about rks and how to get it not who should have it and who should not . greed is a horable thing .
Lester beans i still have no idea where my cotton candy came from or if thats even its real name (people lie and some people believe there own lies) all i can say for sure is . the person i got it from called it cotton candy and its about 65% sativa 35% indica and has a great smell /yield /does not rot or get pm and it can eat .
I know many of ypu may not like slownickel because of the scale of his projects . but this industry's is changing
Wether we like it or not and if you dont like gmo weed dont buy it i know i wont . the consumer is who decides what is grown by what they buy . the people growing are just trying to get there piece of the pie like we all are at some point. Every one is intitled to there own view and own life .
This thread is about rks and how to get it not who should have it and who should not . greed is a horable thing .
Lester beans i still have no idea where my cotton candy came from or if thats even its real name (people lie and some people believe there own lies) all i can say for sure is . the person i got it from called it cotton candy and its about 65% sativa 35% indica and has a great smell /yield /does not rot or get pm and it can eat .
I personally never expect or ask anything for free. I simply believe a bag of valuable seeds is worth starting. I find the amount of interest in rks almost humorous. But apparently more people should have kept clones.
I also think if these seeds were distributed through the community you would learn several things. How they work in several environments, how many great breeders are out there, and how well your genetics mix with the favorites of these other breeders.
I also think if these seeds were distributed through the community you would learn several things. How they work in several environments, how many great breeders are out there, and how well your genetics mix with the favorites of these other breeders.
Yes Sam, I have a breeder I respect to recommend.
Chimera.
Chimera.
Sam are the mixed seeds x haze/skunk#1 the ones you are referring to? I have like 3 packs of those.
You are paranoid, I have never even grown a single seed sent into me for the DNA project, I request dead seeds for a good reason, as well as that people like you should realize I want the DNA not the plants. DNA is useful for Cannabis evolution studies, my real interest in helping the DNA project, I have sent in more of my own landrace collections then others so far, but I am happy to get older landrace seeds that have not been exposed to western DNA like what has happened to Mexico, Jamaica, Morocco, and elsewhere where all of the landraces are not pure anymore.
If you want to give away a ton of seeds then make them and do it, I do not mind in the slightest, I think it is a great idea, Skunk #1 was my creation do you understand what that means? It is my choice what I will do with it, I am really surprised as I shared the genetics for a decade, then made it sweeter like I like and shared them for another 30 years, yes a horrible Monsanto vibe, I should of done just like you wanted me to, give away my life's work so others can profit from it? WTF? Oh I know they will just take the time to reproduce them for free, like most seed sellers do? I have little respect for most seed sellers that charge $5-10 a pop, I made a great living at .10 a pop.
You think I want more seeds to hoard? Give me a break, I can't even grow out all the hybrids I have made in my life, thousands, I really need more seeds for myself? Not true... Maybe if they were tropical NLD I might be interested, maybe, but to be honest I have a lot of those I collected and I made also, way more then I have space to grow out. I can use them for the DNA project, ones I made or collected from others, I think it is a good cause to support.
As for me commenting on a RKS thread, why not? Who made you the judge here? To be honest it is people like you that make me want to retire, like get a life dude... What I do with my work is my choice as far as I know, I can profit from it or give it away. You can do your own variety development and do what ever you want with it.
-SamS
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Dr.Suess
in the DNA thread, every person that makes the claim they have landrace seeds or old seeds gets told "I want them" "send them to me" to me that's a direct claim you're making similar to a demand. I understand that you say the DNA will be extracted & sent to the USA as "live" seed is illegal, well Sir, that doesn't stop seedbanks from sending to customers in USA unless you're claiming that Phylos will be unable to accept these illegal seeds? If so you should make that clear.
BTW I demand nothing from you and should have worded that different to reflect the the fact that people are trying to source/recreate the RKS but you won't help them. this has been ongoing for at least a decade now.
Nope, how did you come to that assumption exactly? While I have your attention can you give an answer to the question asked earlier about the relationship of UK Cheese & Psychosis to RKS/Skunk#1 please?
The breeder I respect is no longer in the business anymore and that would be MandalaMike second to your good self of course.
Now why don't you do us all a favour and breed & release the RKS strain? You have the skills, knowledge & more importantly space to run such a project. The profit from such a venture would be ten fold the profit from a single sale of 50kg of seed. That's for sure.
What is that saying? If a jobs worth doing, do it yourself?
Thanks for the reply. I'm keen to hear your answer to the question earlier on ukcheese/psychosis etc
