Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[GoatCheese]

Rantin 'n' ravin

Rantin 'n' ravin

(C. Gold x MiS)F2 x A. Gold.

But Phylos doesn't show Skunk #1 as being directly related to any of the three parents used.

What f'gen are the Skunks that were sent in to Phylos.

Rant in coming!!

So you knew all along what the true make-up of Sam's Skunk#1 was, but still you had to invent a story about Sam using some "mystery skunk" in his Skunk#1 project. WTF?

This is very, very annoying stuff to read for people who aren't interested in internet gossips and rumors, but really want to know the history of breeding projects and genetics.

F-ing come on, people!

Sure, there are other very skunky plants besides Sam's Original Skunk seed-stock, but i'd appreciate if people wouldn't try to confuse the discussion with their own theories ..not facts, but theories.



How many pure MIS samples there is uploaded on Phylos? Not many.

You haven't spent much time thinking about hash farming or traditional cultivars, have you.
Do you really think every MIS Afghani is very closely genetically related to each other?
..when it is widely known that some MIS has NLD-genetics in them, that they are hybrids created by farmers. It is also common understanding that many farmers like to keep their seed stock private, so there can be even quite alot of difference between some Mazari lines.

Now, hash lovers are worried traditional Morrocan Kif-genetics are getting polluted with western genetics grown in Morocco. Genetics can change quite alot on hash farms in a decade or two, i'd imagine.


Maybe you guys should think before typing it down, so that you wont confuse others with this crap.

Don't take this personally, cause i have nothing against you, or anybody else on this forum, but this is so annoying all these bull shit rumors, and it's happening quite alot here on ICmag, even by people who are supposedly "in the know".


Peace, amigo

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day GC

Mazar I Shariff is the hub of the region .
Uzbekistan and Tajikistan border the province. The borders are man made lines on the ground . People ie families and relatives live on both sides of those imaginary lines on the map .

The Phylos Galaxy says SK has an Uzbek relative . Doesn`t astonish me . Grow the herb at home in the village across the border . Transport it to the city and sell it to the brokers .

Unless you went to the farm and bought direct from the farmer . Who knows where the herb or hash for sale in Mazar I originated from ?
Much like the Koh Chang and Chiang Mai Thai dubi sells . They are tourist destinations . Commercial crops grown else where [away from LEO HQ where LEO and Politicians are cheaper to bribe ] are transported to where the demand is .
DEA has an office just up the road from Chiang Mai .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Thcvhunter]

Pretty harsh response when tagging/quoting me and telling me to not take it personally.

Have you talked to people who were smoking Skunk before '78?
Skunk is different from Sk#1
Those who had pre-Sam Skunk say Sk#1 is a Skunk x (?) cross.
And GC have you noticed the BOEL Skunk that is coming onto market now in crosses?
Not much 'mystery' to pre-Sk#1 Skunk.
Lol, if Sk#1 was a new line, where is Haze #1, Cali-o#1, etc.

Postive energy, your way

Rant in coming!!

So you knew all along what the true make-up of Sam's Skunk#1 was, but still you had to invent a story about Sam using some "mystery skunk" in his Skunk#1 project. WTF?

This is very, very annoying stuff to read for people who aren't interested in internet gossips and rumors, but really want to know the history of breeding projects and genetics.

F-ing come on, people!

Sure, there are other very skunky plants besides Sam's Original Skunk seed-stock, but i'd appreciate if people wouldn't try to confuse the discussion with their own theories ..not facts, but theories.



How many pure MIS samples there is uploaded on Phylos? Not many.

You haven't spent much time thinking about hash farming or traditional cultivars, have you.
Do you really think every MIS Afghani is very closely genetically related to each other?
..when it is widely known that some MIS has NLD-genetics in them, that they are hybrids created by farmers. It is also common understanding that many farmers like to keep their seed stock private, so there can be even quite alot of difference between some Mazari lines.

Now, hash lovers are worried traditional Morrocan Kif-genetics are getting polluted with western genetics grown in Morocco. Genetics can change quite alot on hash farms in a decade or two, i'd imagine.


Maybe you guys should think before typing it down, so that you wont confuse others with this crap.

Don't take this personally, cause i have nothing against you, or anybody else on this forum, but this is so annoying all these bull shit rumors, and it's happening quite alot here on ICmag, even by people who are supposedly "in the know".


Peace, amigo

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

(C. Gold x MiS)F2 x A. Gold.

But Phylos doesn't show Skunk #1 as being directly related to any of the three parents used.

What f'gen are the Skunks that were sent in to Phylos.

I'm interested to hear Sam's response. Very good question, thcv.

HB.

 

[III%]

It's 2017, we are living in a time with some of the best weed in history and more variety then anyone could really fathom, why are you guys so hung up on a strain most have never grown or smoked from 40 years ago? If it was any good it would still be around.

 

[Dropped Cat]

It's 2017, we are living in a time with some of the best weed in history and more variety then anyone could really fathom, why are you guys so hung up on a strain most have never grown or smoked from 40 years ago? If it was any good it would still be around.

Lots of things in this world that were good are not around.

Looking at historic breeds, and having the resources to pursue
a reworking of those various genetics is what makes for an interesting
and varied discussions of this plant we all have in common.

As growers. it is our privilege, and sometimes duty, to understand, and study, the plants we grow and love.

Doesn’t make us better, just deeper, lol

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

It's 2017, we are living in a time with some of the best weed in history and more variety then anyone could really fathom, why are you guys so hung up on a strain most have never grown or smoked from 40 years ago? If it was any good it would still be around.

Best weed in history according to who? You? More variety? Yeah, there's that...But A LOT of what is out there and available commercially is watered down bullshit, heh.

Some of the old lines are still around, in a way...The best lines available today have their roots in the old lines from 20, 30, and even 40 years ago or more. For some of us that were lucky enough to smoke some of those original varieties, it holds a special place in our memories and our hearts. My question for you is: why do you care what other people are doing with their time and money?

I don't mean to be blunt, but to answer your question...it's none of your business, lol .You have access to the best strains in history, so go ahead and enjoy them. You can't miss what you've never had.

HB.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Back on track.

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

Skunk#1 seeds available from Breeders Retail have potential for RKS,
but certainly not guaranteed.

We know from Sam that working his skunk#1 the RKS was selected
against.

Remember the searches for Sensei Star Ogre, or the grapefruit NYCD,
among others grail projects.

Makes great threads, but the re creation of an RKS will likely be made
without any seeds that have been released by Sam.

Sam's Skunk#1 is an Afghan/Columbian Gold X Acapulco Gold.

That's a lot of genetics outcrossing to get the RKS.

Not that you shouldn’t try, lol

 

[III%]

Best weed in history according to who? You? More variety? Yeah, there's that...But A LOT of what is out there and available commercially is watered down bullshit, heh.

Some of the old lines are still around, in a way...The best lines available today have their roots in the old lines from 20, 30, and even 40 years ago or more. For some of us that were lucky enough to smoke some of those original varieties, it holds a special place in our memories and our hearts. My question for you is: why do you care what other people are doing with their time and money?

I don't mean to be blunt, but to answer your question...it's none of your business, lol .You have access to the best strains in history, so go ahead and enjoy them. You can't miss what you've never had.

HB.

I bet if you were to smoke some skunk from 40 years ago, you'd take one puff be like this shit sucks give me some OG.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

I bet if you were to smoke some skunk from 40 years ago, you'd take one puff be like this shit sucks give me some OG.

Lol, maybe but I highly doubt it...It'd be a better bet if you were given some of each to try and make a call...I'd bet you'd be reaching for that skunk, but what do I know? Everyone is different.

HB

 

[III%]

Nothing smokes as nice as nostalgia.

It's like saying the model T was the best car ever made. Yeah we wouldn't have any cars if it wasn't for the model T but it's not necessary what you'd want to drive if the choice was that or a ferrari.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Nothing smokes as nice as nostalgia.

It's like saying the model T was the best car ever made. Yeah we wouldn't have any cars if it wasn't for the model T but it's not necessary what you'd want to drive if the choice was that or a ferrari.

You win. I guess I don't know what I really want. I need you to tell me what it is I should be growing and smoking...

I'd guess an OG of some sort?

HB.

 

[III%]

lol now were getting somewhere. me personally, screw the OG, I've got a special pheno of grinspoon that really tickles my fancy. Im more of a sativa kind of guy myself.

 

[resin_lung]

Yeah.... nostalgia, nostalga..... but Skunkweed is different. The stank never dissapeared. It was here before the fkn weed and it's still here. I knew what to call that weed years before I smoked weed, and even before I knew what weed was or that people smoked it! As a child!!! I smell it in the air quite often. I have more to say about this but I'm iPhone sucks! lol

I'm not talking about the high/stone either. That I'll agree is something that could easily be skewed be time.

Let me get off this phone!

 

[Medfinder]

I bet if you were to smoke some skunk from 40 years ago, you'd take one puff be like this shit sucks give me some OG.

ouch... I remember getting a bag of skunky smelling tumbleweed anza nugs in 79-84.


we thought someone got a seed from some good mexican bud and grew it out in riverside county.

i remember

brick mex skunk red hair colombian gold some wispy looking purple and some home growns were the mainstays once in a great while chocolate thai.

 

[SilverHazer]

I'm not really into strains with gnarly skunky smells, but if I was trying to make RKS I'd start by crossing Trainwreck and Chemdog.

Hope I'm not breaking any forum rules by naming these guys.. Ceres Seeds and Kiwi Seeds claim to have smellier skunk varieties.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

lol now were getting somewhere. me personally, screw the OG, I've got a special pheno of grinspoon that really tickles my fancy. Im more of a sativa kind of guy myself.

I like sativas too...Any other favorites that you've grown besides grinspoon? What are the genetics in grinspoon anyway? My memory escapes me.

HB.

 

[GoatCheese]

Pretty harsh response when tagging/quoting me and telling me to not take it personally.

Have you talked to people who were smoking Skunk before '78?
Skunk is different from Sk#1
Those who had pre-Sam Skunk say Sk#1 is a Skunk x (?) cross.
And GC have you noticed the BOEL Skunk that is coming onto market now in crosses?
Not much 'mystery' to pre-Sk#1 Skunk.
Lol, if Sk#1 was a new line, where is Haze #1, Cali-o#1, etc.

Postive energy, your way

Yea, yea..
Short and sweet

You made a claim that Sam supposedly use this "mystery Skunk" in his Skunk#1 project, when he clearly has revealed the true make-up of Skunk#1 long time ago
..make-up that you apparently knew before posting this theory you made up yourself.

Point being, you claim to know better than Sam himself what is in Skunk#1, and this kind of thing just confuses the discussion.

And this is the last thing i have to say about this; Stop making things up esp. when you know what the breeder himself said about it. Just stop.

Sorry if your feelings got hurt.

 

[resin_lung]

I noticed that this thread has a lot of posts that make statement that end in "but that's all I'm gonna say about that for now" or "I'll explain more about that a little later". Sometimes they start with "hint" or at some point say "here's a clue". By more than one poster mind you.

I'm not accusing anybody of being full of shit because sometime phrases like that are used as a tactic to get people to tune in again later or get people to quote you and ask for more, BUT it can make one wonder. Especially when they don't come back to finish what they were talking about.

My point isn't to put anybody on blast. It's just that Vincenzo Coccotti's father wasn't shit! lol

https://youtu.be/S3yon2GyoiM

 

[resin_lung]

Ok back to finish what I was talking bout.... I knew what "skunkweed" smelled like before I knew what weed was yadda yadda.... so the reason I bring this up is because I don't find it hard to believe, in fact it seems logical that at some point in time and probably more than once, seeds that smelled like a skunk made into the hands of people that grew them in America. Maybe they came Afghanistan, Pakistan or anywhere. From imported weed or hash or purposely collected to grow.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who naturally called it skunkweed. I can't be. When I first bought a bag of skunkweed it was handed to me like every other one before and for along time after that, without some made up name. This weed named itself. So whether the seeds that grew the skunkweed I would score, came from hash imports or a Sam collected them in some far off land and brought them back, grew them and then sold the seeds that grew the skunkweed I bought. Who knows. maybe a bunch of people did. I don't see why it would matter. It was here, it was being grown and it smelled exactly like a skunk.

Is it hard to believe the seeds grew plants that bred fairly true for the smell?

people all over had access to the genetics. Some knew enough to grow and make seeds for the next year. These seeds weren't bred by anyone in America. They may have been made in America but knowbody bred them to smell like a skunk. Who would? Nobody in their right mind would intentionally do that. I don't know how to say this but, I posted bout it, before skunkweed the smell of skunk wasn't a single smell. The smell was something to turn away from. Nature uses it to repel animals intent on getting close! That's what mase is for! It's the best nature could come up with, no? But skunkweed froze the smell at just the right place. I can't see anybody thinking about doing that until it was found. I don't think they could if they wanted.

I don't know of any breeder that set out to breed any smell that wasn't already present to some degree. They stumble upon them like a motherfucker but purposely create? Gotta be the hardest thing to do if it's even possible. If they did we would surly know their name. So I personally don't think there was a "skunk strain" being grown in '78 that was bred by anybody. but if there was, Sams gotta be a good bet?. Besides if these other breeders accidentally bred it out till it was gone, what are the chances they were capable of creating it in the first place.

A- there were seeds in America that smelled like a skunk.

B- A bunch of people had access to it. Sam may have collected some from the place the hash came from or somewhere else that had similar smelling weed himself or he got it from the same place as everybody else, either way, what are the chances Sam missed the boat on these seeds?

C- It was gonna be called skunkweed or if you were fuckin cool...just skunk. No matter what. To call it anything else would be stupid.

So Sam started changing it. Improving the overall potency and making it more consistent, and at a certain point he started to sell the seeds. But because there was this weed being grown in different parts of the country, either from imported seed or collected by someone, that surely was being called or referred to as skunk/skunkweed, because it smelled like a skunk and couldn't be called anything else...... he named the variety he bred that smelled Skunky and sweet.....skunk#1.

Eventually he steered to the sweet side. So well that the skunky side was forever removed from the line. It's the line he bred and the line is still called skunk#1. The fact that most of the world has no idea what the fuck a skunk is only means that it didn't matter what it smelled like! SamS line defined the smell for Europe and everywhere else that don't know skunks.

Same with Afghani. Lots of people grew afghani. First to breed it or get seeds to the market adds the #1 to differentiate it from all the afghani being grown and traded from imported seed etc.ect.

Haze wasn't being grown all over like skunk. It was a smell, taste and high that was found by breeders that existed nowhere else. The name wasn't widely used if at all for a long time as far as I know. When he sold the seed there was no need to differentiate it from anything else. Same for all the others in his catalog that didn't have a #1 in the name.

Is this hard to believe? Not for me.