t5 work but only veg decent to about 12 inches...a 600 halide would work too...yeehaw
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Current Best veg grow light under 600watts
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guys, I have a 4x4 tent with a 600w HPS that has "corrected spectrum" for both flower and veggin. Its an Agrolite Gro&Flo 600w HPS.
Should I grab a proper MH for veggin? or can I get away veggin with this higher color temp HPS? thanks in advance
http://babylon-grow.eu/hps-flowering-agrolite-hps-groflo-p-3123.html?language=en
Should I grab a proper MH for veggin? or can I get away veggin with this higher color temp HPS? thanks in advance
http://babylon-grow.eu/hps-flowering-agrolite-hps-groflo-p-3123.html?language=en
I can not comment on LED lighting but with T5's I find the plant oes from being short & stocky with super stacked nodes to a more stretched version of itself under a HP's, not always a bad thing. Are the graitas a full spectrum bulb? I thought 400v ballasts used them?
jsomhintdh
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is this for a perpetual setup, or will all veg plants be of same age/size etc, that'd probably help ya a bit on finding bulbs.
If multiple plants in different stages some kind of stacked light or adjustable based on what's in the room lights. Otherwise if keeping light static and adjusting plant pots, go for as big as able to cool and not be overkill
If multiple plants in different stages some kind of stacked light or adjustable based on what's in the room lights. Otherwise if keeping light static and adjusting plant pots, go for as big as able to cool and not be overkill
Its a perpetual, but the whole group under the light will most likely be transplanted into bloom room at same time. Ima have two of whatever light i decide. As of right now im just starting off so plants in veg under gavitas while im building the 8x8 area to be split for veg/drying. I plan to flip this week and have a bunch of seedling under cfls for the other gavita, which will be offset by a month, so plan to flip one month after this flip with the next wave. got a 2x4 4 bulb cfl light im using for veg now, dont think its enough but will have to do until i finish the new veg room.
zerocool21
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all depends on what you prefer and are willing to spend. if temps are an issue led or 315w cmh is what id go for, if u can manage temps id get a ac/de mh and dial it down to 600w. that would allow you to increase it that last week before flip to get them ready for the full power they will be receiving.
the greenbeams 315 cmh do very well also. i do like leds but the startup cost is kinda high still, so id just look into those an see what works best for your situation.
the greenbeams 315 cmh do very well also. i do like leds but the startup cost is kinda high still, so id just look into those an see what works best for your situation.
I prefer to buy lamps that serve double duty
Check out either Amare Tech SE 350 or 1-2 SE 220s
Here's one SE 220 over my plants from seedlings
9/20 & 9/27
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Check out either Amare Tech SE 350 or 1-2 SE 220s
Here's one SE 220 over my plants from seedlings
9/20 & 9/27
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CoCoSativas
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There's no one best veg light. There's lots of good options. For led there's the neosol, bml spydr and I've seen a few others, plus some do it yourself white cob setups.
Light emitting ceramics which have surely been mentioned they come in 315 watt and you can get a fixture that holds two.
Hortilux blue, sunmaster full nova, Solis tek makes a few wide spectrum options.
Solar tube can bring in sun, but I've never used one and have no idea what type of coverage they can provide
Plantmax 7200k 600w MH insane growth rates.
https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/115289/PX-MS6007200.html
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https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/115289/PX-MS6007200.html
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CoCoSativas
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I'm sorry I don't agree. There are so many better options. I've used plant max bums beside hortilux and sunmaster, and I'll tell you there is certainly a difference
CoCoSativas
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You get what you pay for. If you use a cheap bulb and magnetic ballast vs good bulb matched to good e ballast the good bulb and ballast combo put out waaaay more photons of usable energy for your plants to use. It's proven good lighting kills lower quality stuff.
The lights are the sun inside why spare any expense? For how much plants yield you are telling me you can't afford 100 bucks a year per fixture? I know I can and that's not even selling dope just growing for myself and reaching into my wallet for a bill as needed.
I'm not trying to talk shit if you really can't afford it but I find you get twice the proforma nice for twice the price. I ran cheap shit for a while until one day I came across some guy selling stolen grow shit online (it was obvious he had no idea what it was worth, I didn't really care the bulbs were brand new hortilux the name changes colour after 10 hours of burn) so I bought the shit, it came and was all legit (sorta I can't say for sure it's hot but I've always guessed he was a ripper selling some poor growers shit) and when I did half my room with hortilux and half my room with the Chinese shit, man it was nuts. I wish I still had pictures it was nuts, the plants with hortilux bulbs and fancy ballasts killed the cheapo Chinese shit I was running. In every aspect I didn't get double the yield but I did get better quality, smell, structure and the flavour and high was certainly better. I had pics on a iPhone some bitch dumped rum on...
Anyway it's up to you but cheapie out on lighting is not for me. I've always grown inside I don't want a inferior sun I buy the one with the best spectrum for my plants (at this time I like the hortilux but may try the gavita enhanced or Solis tek next time, maybe ushio but it really depends when I look again, I like ones with lots of red and a little blue.
Oh and for the op if you buy metal halide, or ceramic metal halide they have a really high colour rating index. Nice to see clearly right?
White leds are the same in that aspect good colour rendering.
I wonder if anyone does cmh or white led up top and t5 around the sides? I've thought about zip tying t5 bars to my tents poles. But damn that would be bright and maybe too hot for my 2x2 unless I only did 2 little 2 foot sunblasters... that's a cool idea. I like the big cfl I use but more would help around the sides
The lights are the sun inside why spare any expense? For how much plants yield you are telling me you can't afford 100 bucks a year per fixture? I know I can and that's not even selling dope just growing for myself and reaching into my wallet for a bill as needed.
I'm not trying to talk shit if you really can't afford it but I find you get twice the proforma nice for twice the price. I ran cheap shit for a while until one day I came across some guy selling stolen grow shit online (it was obvious he had no idea what it was worth, I didn't really care the bulbs were brand new hortilux the name changes colour after 10 hours of burn) so I bought the shit, it came and was all legit (sorta I can't say for sure it's hot but I've always guessed he was a ripper selling some poor growers shit) and when I did half my room with hortilux and half my room with the Chinese shit, man it was nuts. I wish I still had pictures it was nuts, the plants with hortilux bulbs and fancy ballasts killed the cheapo Chinese shit I was running. In every aspect I didn't get double the yield but I did get better quality, smell, structure and the flavour and high was certainly better. I had pics on a iPhone some bitch dumped rum on...
Anyway it's up to you but cheapie out on lighting is not for me. I've always grown inside I don't want a inferior sun I buy the one with the best spectrum for my plants (at this time I like the hortilux but may try the gavita enhanced or Solis tek next time, maybe ushio but it really depends when I look again, I like ones with lots of red and a little blue.
Oh and for the op if you buy metal halide, or ceramic metal halide they have a really high colour rating index. Nice to see clearly right?
White leds are the same in that aspect good colour rendering.
I wonder if anyone does cmh or white led up top and t5 around the sides? I've thought about zip tying t5 bars to my tents poles. But damn that would be bright and maybe too hot for my 2x2 unless I only did 2 little 2 foot sunblasters... that's a cool idea. I like the big cfl I use but more would help around the sides
what bout this bulb:
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-600w
there are lots of bulbs, what bout this one too
http://growershouse.com/digilux-600w-m-h-digital-bulb-75-000-lumens
or the gavita enhanced
http://growershouse.com/eye-hortilux-super-hps-enhanced-600w
there are lots of bulbs, what bout this one too
http://growershouse.com/digilux-600w-m-h-digital-bulb-75-000-lumens
or the gavita enhanced
CoCoSativas
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While those would all work the metal halide would be ideal for veg those hps for flower unless you are like me and want max stretch. Still though I veg with cfl or metal halide lately with cfl but preffer metal halide. I can't complain a 200 watt CFL vegged a whole square meter pretty well.
The problem is really more complicated than which 600 watt bul this guy is asking about alternate types of lighting as well. Stuff including but not limited to led, hid, ceramic metal halide (a sub type of hid) he's got alot of options. Certainly good finds on those bulbs though I'd use any of those bulbs without a second thought.the nice thing is all of those bulbs work on the same good quality ballasts so I could use any with my gavita digistar without worry all those bulbs are designed to be used with e ballasts...
So far this thread has given me a lot of valuable information on all aspects, and has had me researching a lot of options. Appreciate all the leeds and experience!
I went over my budget so until this next crop finishes I will be veggin with my 4 light 4' cfl t5 setup. Im still on the fence with it but think i will go with the neo sol and some more cfls. I dont want to put an ac or run too many fans. I would just use my 1000 w mh but I live on a property with others and its been complications with power bills even when im paying my share and then some. Id rather just keep it low by running my veg lower wattage, since thats the light thats on the most.
I went over my budget so until this next crop finishes I will be veggin with my 4 light 4' cfl t5 setup. Im still on the fence with it but think i will go with the neo sol and some more cfls. I dont want to put an ac or run too many fans. I would just use my 1000 w mh but I live on a property with others and its been complications with power bills even when im paying my share and then some. Id rather just keep it low by running my veg lower wattage, since thats the light thats on the most.
CoCoSativas
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In my opinion the spydr is superior because of its layout, however the neosol can be put way farther away than any other led I've seen. The tests I saw were with the neosol bars 90 degrees down so if you moved the bars and Raise it I'm sure it would be a close batch but due to the wide layout of the super I'd go that way. I really love the neosol but the spydr 600 is comparable to the neosol ns which is pretty small (half the size the ds far as nuber of chips and the ds is a 4x4 fixture which is dope, but for the price I'd buy a spydr.
There's alot of options but I'm sold on the spydr I watched a YouTube test in a department of energy facility in some sphere testy thingy (sorry I know it catches the photons and measures them but I don't remember what it's called) anyway that's not even relying on a square footprint like they usually test on, it's a sphere. So not only is the big diffused fixture better by design for a square (or similar footprint) but it's putting out more use able light period. I'll go find the link it's pretty impressive. Don't get wrong I love the concept of the neosol and if I move to cannas cogr boards then I might consider them, or for my personal tent for sativas for penatration to the bottom but I think when I invest in led, it's going to be spydr or build. Still wanna try building but want to first compare a side by side of a home made led vs a neosol or spydr (or a side by side vs them all)
One thing to realize is for the same price the spydr 600 and the neosol ns both draw 300 watts but the spydr is a bigger fixture covering more space better.
It's complicated but I'm glad this thread has helped. Lighting is super complex especially now with new leds that kick ass...
CoCoSativas
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https://youtu.be/24M2Ch0w6qo
This is really all you need to know. In a sphere it's putting out more light garenteed it's putting way more light that the others, it's just a brilliant design.
I intend to probably invest in the spydr or the do it yourself white cob route. Hard to say but the spydr is brilliant... that said I can buy about 100 of the best cobs going for the price of two spydr, so it really comes down to price. I'm a cheap basted but if I can afford it I'll save myself the time and buy the fixture that makes the most sense to me
