Coronavirus.. outlook

[flylowgethigh]

One of the "fake doctors" on the SC steps was fired, for telling the truth.

UCLA will never get a dime from me, despite all the alumni letters they keep sending asking for cash.

https://youtu.be/tynTVhyGxiI

 

[armedoldhippy]

Zinc does the work, HCL is just like the lechithin I think, it allows the goodies (in this case zinc) to do the job.

So hard to discuss anything because there are so many lies flying around. All I really know is what I see. And I don't see a bunch of people who are sick. I do see GDP down 33%, the national debt has climbed about $7T, the fed's balance sheet is up about that much too. Food has greatly increased in price. Availability of stuff is going down.

And my dope went up 50%.

Financial crisis covered up with a very convenient health crisis, which they sure as hell didn't let go to waste.

financial crisis was inevitable regardless of health crisis. we were in a coal cart headed for the gates of hell for months. beef is higher here. weed prices have dropped by a third. i'll smoke more weed, eat less beef, & enjoy being off for a while waiting for my test results. yes, the air in here is THICK with lies flying around...LOL! you could cut them into blocks with a butter knife and sell them on Alex Jones show/youtube like he does...

 

[mexcurandero420]

vast majority of folks working in the field say chumps wonder drug doesn't cut it. too many studies show it to NOT be effective. most that do have built-in bias IE giving it to less sick patients in combination with the steroids that DO help, then claiming hydroxychloroquine was what helped. no double-blind studies yet (that i have read about. all squelched by the Man, i guess? LOL!)) have shown any real benefits for chumps pet conspiracy theory du jour as of yet.

The studies that showed negative results i've seen and was discussed by others, had to do that hcq was applied to patients when they were already on the icu.Hcq together with zinc must be given when the patients are in their early stage of the disease before they get to the icu.

 

[aridbud]

Vaccines are not as safe as people want to believe.
See the vaccine thread links for more info on this topic.

IDIOCY KILLS.

You're NOT in the medical field, that much is true!

Vaccines have prevented millions of deaths globally, public health.

It's your own decision if you don't want the vaccine. You''ll have to be 'bubble boy' isolating with the population.

You got the polio vaccine? Measels? Small Pox? STD's????
Those vaccines saved millions from dying a slow gruesome death.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/vaccines-that-save-lives-around-the-world-infographic/

 

[St. Phatty]

Zinc does the work, HCL is just like the lechithin I think, it allows the goodies (in this case zinc) to do the job.

So hard to discuss anything because there are so many lies flying around. All I really know is what I see. And I don't see a bunch of people who are sick. I do see GDP down 33%, the national debt has climbed about $7T, the fed's balance sheet is up about that much too. Food has greatly increased in price. Availability of stuff is going down.

And my dope went up 50%.

HCQ is an 'ionophore', a smuggler molecule.

what it smuggles is, Zinc.

Human cells use Zinc to assassinate virus particles like Covid19.


many other molecules perform the same function. one of the chemicals in Green Tea, for example.

a choice between possible side effects like Diarrhea (HCQ) and caffeine (tea).


i've been consuming Quercetin & Zinc for about 4 months.

30 milligrams Zinc Piccolinate.

sometimes I think about storing water in a galvanized pan and drinking that. will wait 5 years for somebody to test that method.


Quercetin you can find in - fruit skin.

Dark Grapes, Orange peel, banana peel.

the first time i ate the orange peel it made me a little nauseous. didn't throw up or anything, your body just kind of goes "WHOA".


if you have any Health Nut friends that have been telling you about Bioflavonoids for years ... this is what they were talking about.


the entire YADDA YADDA that is occurring in the US, about HCQ, is one of the sickest things I've ever seen.

Trump had the ball at the one yard line but didn't do the essential - make it available to all US citizens.

HCQ doesn't replace the human immune system but for a culture that is hell-bent on a push-button cure, it is one of the obvious choices.

the safe usage history for HCQ is humongous and goes back to the Vietnam War ... chloroquine for all US troops.

 

[shaggyballs]

You're NOT in the medical field, that much is true!

Vaccines have prevented millions of deaths globally, public health.

It's your own decision if you don't want the vaccine. You''ll have to be 'bubble boy' isolating with the population.

You got the polio vaccine? Measels? Small Pox? STD's????
Those vaccines saved millions from dying a slow gruesome death.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/vaccines-that-save-lives-around-the-world-infographic/

How many has it harmed/killed in the process.
Some folks swear up and down that wars save lives too.

Did ya see the post that states a covid vaccine may increase the spread?

Check it out, there is a ton of good info to be had if you are interested.

 

[aridbud]

The studies that showed negative results i've seen and was discussed by others, had to do that hcq was applied to patients when they were already on the icu.Hcq together with zinc must be given when the patients are in their early stage of the disease before they get to the icu.

That's the operative phrase. And.....perhaps lower dose.

Too many COVID survivors are now experiencing vascular/heart/ brain/lung problems, sepsis POST-COVID med center release.....especially those on ventilators. Why is that?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200513/complications-on-the-road-to-recovery-after-covid

NPR report:

The mortality rate among 165 COVID-19 patients placed on a ventilator at Emory was just under 30%. And unlike the New York study, only a few patients were still on a ventilator when the data were collected.

Factors that may have kept death rates low include careful planning and no shortages of equipment or personnel, says Dr. Craig Coopersmith, who directs the critical care center at Emory. But the care largely followed existing protocols for patients with life-threatening lung infections, he says.

"There is no secret magic that can't be replicated in other places," Coopersmith says. "And I do believe that we will see a global trend toward better outcomes on the ventilator and in the intensive care unit."

Also, intensive care doctors say ICU teams are becoming more skilled at treating COVID-19 patients as they gain experience with the disease. For example, they are doing more to prevent dangerous blood clots from forming.
That means COVID-19 mortality rates in ICUs are likely to decrease over time, Coopersmith says.

"It's still going to be a devastating disease," he says, "but a more manageable devastating disease."

 

[shaggyballs]

HCQ is an 'ionophore', a smuggler molecule.

what it smuggles is, Zinc.

Human cells use Zinc to assassinate virus particles like Covid19.


many other molecules perform the same function. one of the chemicals in Green Tea, for example.

a choice between possible side effects like Diarrhea (HCQ) and caffeine (tea).


i've been consuming Quercetin & Zinc for about 4 months.

30 milligrams Zinc Piccolinate.

sometimes I think about storing water in a galvanized pan and drinking that. will wait 5 years for somebody to test that method.


Quercetin you can find in - fruit skin.

Dark Grapes, Orange peel, banana peel.

the first time i ate the orange peel it made me a little nauseous. didn't throw up or anything, your body just kind of goes "WHOA".


if you have any Health Nut friends that have been telling you about Bioflavonoids for years ... this is what they were talking about.


the entire YADDA YADDA that is occurring in the US, about HCQ, is one of the sickest things I've ever seen.

Trump had the ball at the one yard line but didn't do the essential - make it available to all US citizens.

HCQ doesn't replace the human immune system but for a culture that is hell-bent on a push-button cure, it is one of the obvious choices.

the safe usage history for HCQ is humongous and goes back to the Vietnam War ... chloroquine for all US troops.

I believe this form is highly absorbable and may be the best choice.
zinc sulfate heptahydrate

Mine is a liquid zinc assay.

But I am open to discussion on the topic.
I have little knowledge on the subject of zinc really.
This was recommended by a trusted medical doctor with nutrition as a background many years ago.

 

[aridbud]

How many has it harmed/killed in the process.
Some folks swear up and down that wars save lives too.

Did ya see the post that states a covid vaccine may increase the spread?

Check it out, there is a ton of good info to be had if you are interested.

And it's gross misinformation, buddy..."the post ". I'll stick to Dept. of Health statistics being a Contact tracer data personnel and not some whacked conspiracy theory that gets deleted from gross error.

 

[kickarse]

or, they might be going to pick someone up, have the sniffles/coughing, have not been tested yet and did not want to put their passenger at risk. but then, you think it is all bullshit & do not give a fuck about others. right? so sure you are right that you cheerfully risk others lives, just like drunk drivers that won't let anyone drive them home after 43 shots of tequila...

FFS hippy shut up with ya shit, and grow the FUCK UP

I drive home after 42 shots of JD, never ever go the 43rd, ya cant drive safely after 43 shots can ya

:friends::friends:

 

[shaggyballs]

That's the operative phrase. And.....perhaps lower dose.

Too many COVID survivors are now experiencing vascular/heart/ brain/lung problems, sepsis POST-COVID med center release.....especially those on ventilators. Why is that?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200513/complications-on-the-road-to-recovery-after-covid

I have been trying to tell ya all from the start.
The ventilator is the wrong treatment.

Untrained fema nurses don't know a thing about running them anyway.
They have been setting the things way too high and blowing out the lungs.
Hence all the pink foam, nasty right?
They have been outright killing folks with the vents.

I will keep saying it, even if no one wants to listen.
Someone somewhere will here the truth and it may save a life.

 

[flylowgethigh]

financial crisis was inevitable regardless of health crisis. we were in a coal cart headed for the gates of hell for months. beef is higher here. weed prices have dropped by a third. i'll smoke more weed, eat less beef, & enjoy being off for a while waiting for my test results. yes, the air in here is THICK with lies flying around...LOL! you could cut them into blocks with a butter knife and sell them on Alex Jones show/youtube like he does...

People would not have gone for a $7T taxpayer bailout of the banks without a "crisis". Lucky you not to be getting dope from the "golden state". CAMP II is having an effect, as are the stimilis checks. But... I've got a pretty good looking $8.99/lb bone-in ribeye in the fridge, and a jar of some nice tasty MAC.

Have to get in the space comet mood, so Miracle Alien Cookies it is!

 

[armedoldhippy]

People would not have gone for a $7T taxpayer bailout of the banks without a "crisis". Lucky you not to be getting dope from the "golden state". CAMP II is having an effect, as are the stimilis checks. But... I've got a pretty good looking $8.99/lb bone-in ribeye in the fridge, and a jar of some nice tasty MAC.

Have to get in the space comet mood, so Miracle Alien Cookies it is!

some of the weed here comes from Cali, much from Colorado. MUCH grown here in TN. at one time, we rivaled Cali in both quality & quantity. but, Cali became legal, and our moronic legislature gutted our early medical program when the feds flew all to hell. bring on the helicopters... oooh, a ribeye!

 

[St. Phatty]

the outlook is Terrible, like a real life version of the movie Life.

how competent is that CDC ?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-sum...ution-the-majority-of-kids-still-got-covid-19

"The camp, however, didn’t require campers to wear masks, only the staff, or open windows and doors for increased ventilation, per CDC guidelines. And it allowed attendees to engage in outdoor and indoor activities—like singing and cheering—that also contributed to the high transmission rate, the report stated."


young people in enclosed spaces with no ventilation & no masks.

with singing even !

God what a bunch of morons - the CDC being first in line for that reverse award.

unfortunately, it's not a Darwin award for them. the CDC gets to keep their funding.

so it's a Darwin Award - for the USA.


and when Trump is gone in 6 months ... Biden is going to pick up the pieces ?

it's like watching a group suicide.

Jim Jones x 1000 x 1000.

 

[Zeez]

CDC had the tools and plans to handle problems just like this before they were gutted by this administration.

 

[St. Phatty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_governors

i've been watching the Governors' Covid19 press conferences. Mostly starting out with the Republicans.

I thought Arizona Gov. Ducey's press conference was pretty impressive.

 

[aridbud]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_governors

i've been watching the Governors' Covid19 press conferences. Mostly starting out with the Republicans.

I thought Arizona Gov. Ducey's press conference was pretty impressive.

To get a better pulse, look at NM Michelle Lujan Grisham's weekly press conferences. She was prior Secretary of Health during Bill Richardson's gov-ship, and before that, Council on Aging. Short list on Biden's VP list. I'm sure he'll select someone else, but Lujan Grisham has really guided a poor economic state to flatten the curve, explain why numbers have still risen.

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2020/07/30/watch-governors-7-30-covid-19-press-conference/

 

[aridbud]

New Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Patients On Ventilators Usually Survive.

COVID-19 has given ventilators an undeservedly bad reputation, says Dr. Colin Cooke, an associate professor of medicine in the division of pulmonary and critical care at the University of Michigan.

"It's always disheartening to know that some people are out there saying if you end up on a ventilator it's a death sentence, which is not what we are experiencing — and I don't think it's what the data are showing," Cooke says.

Early reports from China, the United Kingdom and Seattle found mortality rates as high as 90% among patients on ventilators. And more recently, a study of some New York hospitals seemed to show a mortality rate of 88%.

But Cooke and others say the New York figure was misleading because the analysis included only patients who had either died or been discharged. "So folks who were actually in the midst of fighting their illness were not being included in the statistic of patients who were still alive," he says.

Those patients made up more than half of all the people in the study.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Corona is a completely different disease than previously thought, these doctors have learned

At the beginning of this year, thousands of doctors battled an unknown virus for which there was no medicine or vaccine. With hardly any knowledge about corona, they had to improvise to make decisions that could make the difference between life and death.

Now doctors take stock. For example, intensivist Dave Tjan and pulmonologist Jeroen Verheul from Gelderse Vallei hospital in Ede, where 200 corona patients have been in recent months. What lessons did they learn and what would they do differently in a second wave?

Corona is more than an ugly flu
The first thing both doctors mention is that corona has turned out to be a completely different disease than they originally thought. "We initially thought it was a respiratory infection," said Verheul. "Patients are tired, short of breath, have to cough, have fever, sometimes a little diarrhea and muscle pain. So a bit of the known flu-like symptoms, a kind of very ugly flu."

From experiences with patients and new scientific research, they now know that a corona infection can lead to clotting in addition to inflammation. And it certainly turned out not to be just a lung disease, says Tjan. "It is a disease that we see that many organs are affected. We see that clotting problems can occur, thrombosis can occur, the kidneys are affected, we see problems with the brain."

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Perhaps we should have waited globally for better evidence before giving this drug to patients.

Jeroen Verheul, pulmonologist
In order to detect all corona patients, therefore, much more than flu-like complaints must be paid attention to. "And that is a very confusing insight," says Tjan. "It may mean that you have to suspect every patient of covid, which can make selection very difficult."

Which drug works?
It also proves difficult to search for an effective drug under great time pressure. At the beginning of the outbreak, hospitals worldwide, including the Gelderse Vallei in Ede, use the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine. But research shows little or no positive effect for corona patients.

In May , the national advice is not to use the drug. In Ede they stop with the drug. Verheul: "In hindsight, perhaps we should have waited globally for better evidence before giving this to some of our patients."

But the dilemma in March and April is: maybe the drug does work, and it can save lives. "At the time, we couldn't do much other than give what might have worked," said Verheul. "On the other hand, many drugs can also have serious side effects. So giving a drug because it may work sounds logical, but it is not an obvious step."

Hospitals now use the anti-inflammatory drug Dexamethasone, which has been shown to reduce the risk of death for patients by up to a third.

The doctors also learned a lot about organizing care for other patients. Non-corona care came to a low ebb during the first outbreak. This probably took many healthy life years from non-corona patients.

"In a second outbreak, we want to try to preserve as much of the important regular care as possible," says Tjan. "That also means that you have to make a choice about how much covid care you can do to, for example, allow oncological patients to have their cures."

During the first wave, hospitals were not always eager to take over corona patients. The doctors believe that a second wave should improve, so that the other care is less constrained. Tjan: "We want to move closer, in our region to relocate patients to create sufficient capacity."

After corona you need long aftercare
Another important lesson: corona patients need structural aftercare. "We found that of the first 40, 50 patients we sent home, a significant proportion still had so many complaints that we had to see them again," said Verheul. "We still had to map out their problems with a lung function, photo or blood vessel examination."

"Now we say: the people who have been so sick that they have been hospitalized with us, we all look at them again."

 

[mexcurandero420]

Dietary plant polyphenols such as the flavonoids quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate act as antioxidants and as signalling molecules. ... The ionophore activity of dietary polyphenols may underlay the raising of labile zinc levels triggered in cells by polyphenols and, thus, many of their biological actions.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264127862_Zinc_Ionophore_Activity_of_Quercetin_and_Epigallocatechin-gallate_From_Hepa_1-6_Cells_to_a_Liposome_Model